^ They have never ever referred to themselves as a male either yet you'd refer to them as a "he". While even Danbooru, the site that's okay with Nazi joke arts, has the basic decency to tag works with Mizuki as 1other.
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Aureole
Nov 22, 2025 1:44AM
^ You don't assume someone to be of one gender when you don't know. You use they/them, it has been the gender-neutral 3rd person pronoun since 14th century and is not non-binary specific.
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ColetteLelette
Nov 22, 2025 6:55AM
I don't know if we even played the same game. It is not clear if Mizuki would like to use she/her pronouns or otherwise, but one thing that is sure is that they are deeply, deeply ashamed of being AMAB. They go into a full-blown panic attack in Mizu5 over a classmate telling Ena about it. If they were just a cis guy, why would they feel such an incredible sense of shame over it? Why would they put so much stock into nightcord seeing them as just one of the girls and be incredibly upset at the idea of their birth sex being discovered by them?
They could be a transwoman, they could be non-binary, we don't know their exact pronouns for sure yet, but to say that they are just a cis dude is completely baffling when the most traumatic point of their story up to this point has been about how traumatic the mere idea of Ena finding out what their birth sex is.
And now I just noticed the 1488 on your username so I guess this whole thing is pointless.
Aureole
Nov 22, 2025 7:12AM
^ So another Nazi, huh.
Wish I'd realized it sooner.
Looking back from now that account did used trolling techniques like sealioning.
last edited at Nov 22, 2025 10:05AM
girlswhokiss
Nov 22, 2025 7:30AM
A fictional trans girl could be screaming to the audience that she's a girl, and you'd still get people like that user debating and insisting that she's a feminine cis boy. Anyone who read through her story and didn't catch the blatant transfeminine themes is either so disgustingly ignorant they're transmisogynistic, or they're the average transphobic troll trying to rile up others by acting ignorant.
Even if she's not a binary trans woman (because trans women can be both women and non-binary), she's still transfem and there's no debating that. That's even putting aside that she was only referred to as 'they' due to the initial reaction to the localization iirc.
(Also, transwoman is a TERF dogwhistle, so be careful not to write it like that. The correct is trans woman.)
Aureole
Nov 22, 2025 8:45AM
^ (I stand corrected, though at this point you'd start wondering if that can still effectively serve as a dogwistle if it can be used by people from the out-group inadvertently.)
JerrySmalls
Nov 22, 2025 9:29AM
Mizuki is happy presenting as a women the whole series and is deeply afraid of being seen as anything else. I feel like being a cross dresser or even non-binary is a bit of a stretch because they very obviously just prefer identifying as the one gender they're presenting as. (though, you can definitely consider them non-binary if you want.)
It really doesn't make sense to use "he" pronouns when Mizuki obviously wants everyone to consider them female or at least non-binary. I mean, their greatest fear is being outed as born male.
juanelric
Nov 22, 2025 11:04AM
@aureole @girlswhokiss I've had a trans lesbian friend legit try to convince me that trans people don't exist in Japan. I didn't even know she was trans until she blocked me over not conceding her point.
And Granblue Fantasy fans insist on calling Cagliostro "uncle" and treating her as a guy even though she's extremely clear about identifying as a woman and threatens violence to anyone who treats her as a guy, including her descendant Clarisse (who is where these people got "uncle" from). Lily from Zombie Land Saga and Bridget from Guilty Gear receive similar treatments.
Adawal
Nov 22, 2025 11:09AM
jesus mary and joseph what in the nazi was that
girlswhokiss
Nov 22, 2025 12:24PM
@juanelric
Yeah, not to go too off-topic, but sadly too many people, even other trans people, love to act like transness is an uniquely western/white concept. So you get people who are more in contact with anglophones and similar saying that it's a western plague invading their countries, or even trans people saying that a clearly transmisogynistic category found within other countries that transfems were/are shoved into as a way to degender and dehumanize them is, actually, something unique to another culture that we 'outsiders' (when often it's another 'outsider' who doesn't even speak the language claiming that) are completely incapable of understanding and that it definitely doesn't make the people there trans(fem).
Like damn, I wish we could go on for longer without those sort of comments on pictures and works with trans girl characters trying to debate if they're actually trans or a woman. At least the moderation here does act on transphobia unlike other websites.
(Also, regarding the dog whistle, it's still serving as one, and it's a matter of what online spaces you're looking at and how aware people are of the TERF narrative... and since a lot of people aren't very aware, it helps them camouflage better. It's not unusual for us non-native english speakers to make that mistake, but one we all have to be careful of regardless. And like, it does carry a negative implication on its own, that trans women are different to women, since nobody says that about other groups of women.)
Aureole Nov 22, 2025 12:59AM
^ They have never ever referred to themselves as a male either yet you'd refer to them as a "he". While even Danbooru, the site that's okay with Nazi joke arts, has the basic decency to tag works with Mizuki as
1other.last edited at Nov 22, 2025 1:03AM
Aureole Nov 22, 2025 1:44AM
^ You don't assume someone to be of one gender when you don't know. You use they/them, it has been the gender-neutral 3rd person pronoun since 14th century and is not non-binary specific.
last edited at Nov 22, 2025 1:46AM
ColetteLelette Nov 22, 2025 6:55AM
I don't know if we even played the same game. It is not clear if Mizuki would like to use she/her pronouns or otherwise, but one thing that is sure is that they are deeply, deeply ashamed of being AMAB. They go into a full-blown panic attack in Mizu5 over a classmate telling Ena about it. If they were just a cis guy, why would they feel such an incredible sense of shame over it? Why would they put so much stock into nightcord seeing them as just one of the girls and be incredibly upset at the idea of their birth sex being discovered by them?
They could be a transwoman, they could be non-binary, we don't know their exact pronouns for sure yet, but to say that they are just a cis dude is completely baffling when the most traumatic point of their story up to this point has been about how traumatic the mere idea of Ena finding out what their birth sex is.
And now I just noticed the 1488 on your username so I guess this whole thing is pointless.
Aureole Nov 22, 2025 7:12AM
^ So another Nazi, huh.
Wish I'd realized it sooner.
Looking back from now that account did used trolling techniques like sealioning.
last edited at Nov 22, 2025 10:05AM
girlswhokiss Nov 22, 2025 7:30AM
A fictional trans girl could be screaming to the audience that she's a girl, and you'd still get people like that user debating and insisting that she's a feminine cis boy. Anyone who read through her story and didn't catch the blatant transfeminine themes is either so disgustingly ignorant they're transmisogynistic, or they're the average transphobic troll trying to rile up others by acting ignorant.
Even if she's not a binary trans woman (because trans women can be both women and non-binary), she's still transfem and there's no debating that. That's even putting aside that she was only referred to as 'they' due to the initial reaction to the localization iirc.
(Also, transwoman is a TERF dogwhistle, so be careful not to write it like that. The correct is trans woman.)
Aureole Nov 22, 2025 8:45AM
^ (I stand corrected, though at this point you'd start wondering if that can still effectively serve as a dogwistle if it can be used by people from the out-group inadvertently.)
JerrySmalls Nov 22, 2025 9:29AM
Mizuki is happy presenting as a women the whole series and is deeply afraid of being seen as anything else. I feel like being a cross dresser or even non-binary is a bit of a stretch because they very obviously just prefer identifying as the one gender they're presenting as. (though, you can definitely consider them non-binary if you want.)
It really doesn't make sense to use "he" pronouns when Mizuki obviously wants everyone to consider them female or at least non-binary. I mean, their greatest fear is being outed as born male.
juanelric Nov 22, 2025 11:04AM
@aureole @girlswhokiss I've had a trans lesbian friend legit try to convince me that trans people don't exist in Japan. I didn't even know she was trans until she blocked me over not conceding her point.
And Granblue Fantasy fans insist on calling Cagliostro "uncle" and treating her as a guy even though she's extremely clear about identifying as a woman and threatens violence to anyone who treats her as a guy, including her descendant Clarisse (who is where these people got "uncle" from). Lily from Zombie Land Saga and Bridget from Guilty Gear receive similar treatments.
Adawal Nov 22, 2025 11:09AM
jesus mary and joseph what in the nazi was that
girlswhokiss Nov 22, 2025 12:24PM
@juanelric
Yeah, not to go too off-topic, but sadly too many people, even other trans people, love to act like transness is an uniquely western/white concept. So you get people who are more in contact with anglophones and similar saying that it's a western plague invading their countries, or even trans people saying that a clearly transmisogynistic category found within other countries that transfems were/are shoved into as a way to degender and dehumanize them is, actually, something unique to another culture that we 'outsiders' (when often it's another 'outsider' who doesn't even speak the language claiming that) are completely incapable of understanding and that it definitely doesn't make the people there trans(fem).
Like damn, I wish we could go on for longer without those sort of comments on pictures and works with trans girl characters trying to debate if they're actually trans or a woman. At least the moderation here does act on transphobia unlike other websites.
(Also, regarding the dog whistle, it's still serving as one, and it's a matter of what online spaces you're looking at and how aware people are of the TERF narrative... and since a lot of people aren't very aware, it helps them camouflage better. It's not unusual for us non-native english speakers to make that mistake, but one we all have to be careful of regardless. And like, it does carry a negative implication on its own, that trans women are different to women, since nobody says that about other groups of women.)
Casusby Nov 22, 2025 8:32PM
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