it's basically Worse Arknights Knockoff that's also for dykes but in a more pandering way. but what can i say, im the target audience. ive been v baihe-pilled lately and this game is too sooooo...
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Moedred
May 22, 2025 10:49AM
PtN have like 70-something percentage of female player base, at least according to survey made in China. I think it's either highest or 2nd highest out of "popular" gacha games. Top3 were also Infinity Nikki and Reverse:1999.
Interesting enough it and fact that games like Snowbreak, Azur Lane and ZZZ have lowest female player base confirms something that a lot of guys saying defending some characters designs, that, yes women like Fanservice-designed female characters, they just like "different" kind of Fanservice.
Well there is Love and Deepspace, but that an outlier :)
Edit. I just checked and ZZZ isn't that bad (just a bit worse that other popular Hoyo games), WuWa and PGR have it worse.
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Zesc
May 22, 2025 3:42PM
^ Source on that? Less that I don't believe you (everyone on the internet is always trustworthy), but it'd be interesting to see how other gachas compare (in particulary Limbus Corporation). It'd be also interesting to see how chinese (and eastern) spreads compare to western/global ones.
FluffyCow
May 22, 2025 4:23PM
^If I remember correctly it was specifically gender ratios based on Chinese TikTok for the games or something along those lines. So I don't know if it's entirely accurate to representing the entirety of the fans and more so a specific segment of the fandoms on a specific platform.
It's supposedly come from CN TikTok accounts of these games. As you see Limbus isn't there. Maybe they only took one that publish this kind of data. I think Hoyo doing it each year. I remember they published CN and US/EU data and their ratio in CN overall were 66/33 too. And for EU/US servers it was 55/45 I think.
For the love of all that is golden, do not search WuWa subreddit for source of this iconographic. Damn what a toxic shithole. And I was holding ZZZ low in that regard.
FluffyCow
May 22, 2025 4:40PM
^The worst gacha fandom at present is probably Snowbreak, so that's definitely one to avoid in general. From what I've heard they hate real women so much that they don't want women anywhere near their game, no fans, no cosplayers, nothing. A lot of gacha fandoms have issues, but they seem to take the cake and then some for incel behavior.
Moedred
May 22, 2025 4:52PM
I can only have opinion on a games that I know, but for me three worst gacha-related communities are Snowbreak (for a reason you yourself posted), Blue Archive for rampant pedophilia, and ZZZ (they are honestly a mix of Snowbreak - an genuine aggression if you criticize character, especially design, but they are more "gooners" that straight-up incels, they don't shun women - yet, and an Blue Archive - they have the same "fascination" with younger characters and even child-NPCs, including this God-awful Blue Archive "meme" , but they still lust after adult-ones. I can't criticize their obsession with incest, even if I have objections to it with M/F couples, I don't want to be a hypocrite). It's always funny how ZZZ player paint themselves as "best, chill community", but it's always like that only if you follow Hive Mind and don't stray from "narration".
But seeing some WuWa CCs and this alternative subreddit, WuWa trying their hardest to climb rankings in "awfulness".
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FluffyCow
May 22, 2025 5:08PM
^With ZZZ most of my experience with the fandom is pretty light, so I've mostly just seen people enjoying the game and artists drawing it. Blue Archive I'm not going to equate liking anime lolis to actual pedophilia, but you do and that's an argument that's not going to go anywhere. Especially with how I've seen part of social media turn on the Bocchi The Rock mangaka because she plays Blue Archive, where they were calling her a pedophile for playing the game. All sides can be excessive and in need of touching grass.
Anyways, we're steering way off course with off-topic conversation so I'll just leave it there.
Zesc
May 23, 2025 11:59AM
Excuse me calling shenanigans, but a deleted user in a "free speech"-oriented subforum of the crayon connoisseurs citing corporate music.ly accounts makes me think this is a vibes-based guesstimate, diplomatically worded.
Even if we assume best intentions (dubious given the discussion about NIKKE, which isn't even in the "info"graphic, and its presumed large female playerbase in the original thread) the source could have easily confused follower demographics for actual playerbase. Especially since this for example contradicts the 55/45 split of Genshin that is reported by multiple sources[1][2][3].
(There's also a purported QuanticFoundry survey that puts the AK ratio in stark contrast at 2:1; howbeit an echo chamber poll is even worse at 6:1, underlining the massive skew of surveying third-party platforms. Honourable mention goes to whatever the frack this PGR poll was supposed to be???)
Not that i could find much better sources myself. Guess I need to be a CCP-investor to get access to the juiciest data.
Moedred
May 23, 2025 2:07PM
^I mean it's most "reliable" source we can get, most games don't really collect and publish data on players genders. I'm not a fan of TikTok (I hate it in fact), but this China-targeted aggression is...kinda weird? Especially in discussion about Gacha games, since a lot, if not most in this iconograpic, are CN-made.
I didn't saw people discussing about NIKKE there, they talk about Infinity NIKKI, which is a different game.
Funnily enough I wrote 55/45 for Genshin from memory, good to know this Swiss Cheese in my head still working somehow.
Every good-will survey will have bias, since gender, age, orientation etc. ratio can be different for different sites, and subsites. Most players don't even use forums, they just play. TikTok, Youtube or even Shitter actually would be one of better source, since it's used by everyone, don't have that much of an imbalance like Reddit, or even this very site have. We work with what we got.
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Zesc
May 27, 2025 5:20PM
^ Late reply but funny how repeated shade at reddit went under the radar but you found "China-targeted aggression". I was referring to the WuWa subreddit's unsubstantiated claims about NIKKE:GoV (not the Nikki series) having many female players. Which I guess is supposed to make it seem less pathetic? After all NIKKE's selling point is the Crazy Chicken gameplay.
Back to topic: I wonder how much of the PtN popularity with WLW is hybristophilia? Much of the sapphic art ships sinners with the self-insert PC instead of each other, something I know elsewhere only in FGO; there's less F!Doctor/F!SKK/etc. yuri and even Lumine and Stelle have strong competing non-MC ships.
Moedred
May 28, 2025 3:30AM
^I didn't mention Reddit, since Redditors deserve all ridicule they can get :p
I didn't noticed WuWa sub talking about NIKKE, this subreddit was so vile I stopped reading after few comments.
I noticed that the more game's plot is VN-style and more concentrated on MC they more likely is to have majority of "ships" include MC, and also if MC is "invisible"/featureless self-insert the less 2 non-PC characters ships they are. It's also happen much more if game have massive imbalance of male/female and even all female cast. How many artworks M!Sensei, M!Doctor or M!Commander etc. have comparing to their F! counterparts. Most Hoyo games have MC being a part of the story, but other characters have a lot of characterization and plot-relevancy so it help creating actual ships between them, not just feeling everything with self-insert protag/character (usually M!MC/Female character).
And that just SFW artworks, with NSFW it's like 50% male protag with female character, 45% unseen/anonymous male with female character/protag and 5% other combinations.
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FluffyCow
May 28, 2025 4:10AM
I will throw out that at least Arknights has some of my favorite F/F ships across the cast in gacha, maybe my personal favorite. Though with the Doctor there are a lot of M/Doc shippers for certain, and it's interesting to me how that really doesn't reflect canon and especially compared to most gachas. The Doctor is generally sickly and frail, they're the last person I'd expect to fuck or have much/any libido. Plus there's a lot of stories The Doctor isn't even involved in, which I personally like. I prefer the Doctor to have more of a familial relationship with most of the characters they're intimately close with, and I view my Doctor as any of the following They/Them -> They/She -> She/Her. I also prefer to view player characters as their own character, and I'm not one for self insertion in general. In conclusion I avoid the male self insert side of the fandom as much as I can lol
Adawal
May 28, 2025 9:31AM
^^The MC in PtN is a really good fuckin character so I understand why she's the primary shipping component, less so because of self insertion, but there ARE competing ships for a few sinners, not to mention you could easily find fanart of just about most ships you can think of. The best candidate for competing against chiefships is Rahu/Shalom tho
Lady Lamperouge May 20, 2025 4:10AM
woah...
Linterdiction May 22, 2025 2:34AM
I should re-download ptn…
Vivozie May 22, 2025 3:05AM
^ never played it, now I want to
Linterdiction May 22, 2025 10:10AM
it's basically Worse Arknights Knockoff that's also for dykes but in a more pandering way. but what can i say, im the target audience. ive been v baihe-pilled lately and this game is too sooooo...
last edited at May 22, 2025 10:10AM
Moedred May 22, 2025 10:49AM
PtN have like 70-something percentage of female player base, at least according to survey made in China. I think it's either highest or 2nd highest out of "popular" gacha games. Top3 were also Infinity Nikki and Reverse:1999.
Interesting enough it and fact that games like Snowbreak, Azur Lane and ZZZ have lowest female player base confirms something that a lot of guys saying defending some characters designs, that, yes women like Fanservice-designed female characters, they just like "different" kind of Fanservice.
Well there is Love and Deepspace, but that an outlier :)
Edit. I just checked and ZZZ isn't that bad (just a bit worse that other popular Hoyo games), WuWa and PGR have it worse.
last edited at May 22, 2025 11:05AM
Zesc May 22, 2025 3:42PM
^ Source on that? Less that I don't believe you (everyone on the internet is always trustworthy), but it'd be interesting to see how other gachas compare (in particulary Limbus Corporation). It'd be also interesting to see how chinese (and eastern) spreads compare to western/global ones.
FluffyCow May 22, 2025 4:23PM
^If I remember correctly it was specifically gender ratios based on Chinese TikTok for the games or something along those lines. So I don't know if it's entirely accurate to representing the entirety of the fans and more so a specific segment of the fandoms on a specific platform.
Moedred May 22, 2025 4:32PM
^https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F6zjgnd6h86ve1.png
It's supposedly come from CN TikTok accounts of these games. As you see Limbus isn't there. Maybe they only took one that publish this kind of data. I think Hoyo doing it each year. I remember they published CN and US/EU data and their ratio in CN overall were 66/33 too. And for EU/US servers it was 55/45 I think.
For the love of all that is golden, do not search WuWa subreddit for source of this iconographic. Damn what a toxic shithole. And I was holding ZZZ low in that regard.
FluffyCow May 22, 2025 4:40PM
^The worst gacha fandom at present is probably Snowbreak, so that's definitely one to avoid in general. From what I've heard they hate real women so much that they don't want women anywhere near their game, no fans, no cosplayers, nothing. A lot of gacha fandoms have issues, but they seem to take the cake and then some for incel behavior.
Moedred May 22, 2025 4:52PM
I can only have opinion on a games that I know, but for me three worst gacha-related communities are Snowbreak (for a reason you yourself posted), Blue Archive for rampant pedophilia, and ZZZ (they are honestly a mix of Snowbreak - an genuine aggression if you criticize character, especially design, but they are more "gooners" that straight-up incels, they don't shun women - yet, and an Blue Archive - they have the same "fascination" with younger characters and even child-NPCs, including this God-awful Blue Archive "meme" , but they still lust after adult-ones. I can't criticize their obsession with incest, even if I have objections to it with M/F couples, I don't want to be a hypocrite). It's always funny how ZZZ player paint themselves as "best, chill community", but it's always like that only if you follow Hive Mind and don't stray from "narration".
But seeing some WuWa CCs and this alternative subreddit, WuWa trying their hardest to climb rankings in "awfulness".
last edited at May 22, 2025 4:53PM
FluffyCow May 22, 2025 5:08PM
^With ZZZ most of my experience with the fandom is pretty light, so I've mostly just seen people enjoying the game and artists drawing it. Blue Archive I'm not going to equate liking anime lolis to actual pedophilia, but you do and that's an argument that's not going to go anywhere. Especially with how I've seen part of social media turn on the Bocchi The Rock mangaka because she plays Blue Archive, where they were calling her a pedophile for playing the game. All sides can be excessive and in need of touching grass.
Anyways, we're steering way off course with off-topic conversation so I'll just leave it there.
Zesc May 23, 2025 11:59AM
Excuse me calling shenanigans, but a deleted user in a "free speech"-oriented subforum of the crayon connoisseurs citing corporate music.ly accounts makes me think this is a vibes-based guesstimate, diplomatically worded.
Even if we assume best intentions (dubious given the discussion about NIKKE, which isn't even in the "info"graphic, and its presumed large female playerbase in the original thread) the source could have easily confused follower demographics for actual playerbase. Especially since this for example contradicts the 55/45 split of Genshin that is reported by multiple sources[1][2][3].
(There's also a purported QuanticFoundry survey that puts the AK ratio in stark contrast at 2:1; howbeit an echo chamber poll is even worse at 6:1, underlining the massive skew of surveying third-party platforms. Honourable mention goes to whatever the frack this PGR poll was supposed to be???)
Not that i could find much better sources myself. Guess I need to be a CCP-investor to get access to the juiciest data.
Moedred May 23, 2025 2:07PM
^I mean it's most "reliable" source we can get, most games don't really collect and publish data on players genders. I'm not a fan of TikTok (I hate it in fact), but this China-targeted aggression is...kinda weird? Especially in discussion about Gacha games, since a lot, if not most in this iconograpic, are CN-made.
I didn't saw people discussing about NIKKE there, they talk about Infinity NIKKI, which is a different game.
Funnily enough I wrote 55/45 for Genshin from memory, good to know this Swiss Cheese in my head still working somehow.
Every good-will survey will have bias, since gender, age, orientation etc. ratio can be different for different sites, and subsites. Most players don't even use forums, they just play. TikTok, Youtube or even Shitter actually would be one of better source, since it's used by everyone, don't have that much of an imbalance like Reddit, or even this very site have. We work with what we got.
last edited at May 23, 2025 2:56PM
Zesc May 27, 2025 5:20PM
^ Late reply but funny how repeated shade at reddit went under the radar but you found "China-targeted aggression". I was referring to the WuWa subreddit's unsubstantiated claims about NIKKE:GoV (not the Nikki series) having many female players. Which I guess is supposed to make it seem less pathetic? After all NIKKE's selling point is the Crazy Chicken gameplay.
Back to topic: I wonder how much of the PtN popularity with WLW is hybristophilia? Much of the sapphic art ships sinners with the self-insert PC instead of each other, something I know elsewhere only in FGO; there's less F!Doctor/F!SKK/etc. yuri and even Lumine and Stelle have strong competing non-MC ships.
Moedred May 28, 2025 3:30AM
^I didn't mention Reddit, since Redditors deserve all ridicule they can get :p
I didn't noticed WuWa sub talking about NIKKE, this subreddit was so vile I stopped reading after few comments.
I noticed that the more game's plot is VN-style and more concentrated on MC they more likely is to have majority of "ships" include MC, and also if MC is "invisible"/featureless self-insert the less 2 non-PC characters ships they are. It's also happen much more if game have massive imbalance of male/female and even all female cast. How many artworks M!Sensei, M!Doctor or M!Commander etc. have comparing to their F! counterparts. Most Hoyo games have MC being a part of the story, but other characters have a lot of characterization and plot-relevancy so it help creating actual ships between them, not just feeling everything with self-insert protag/character (usually M!MC/Female character).
And that just SFW artworks, with NSFW it's like 50% male protag with female character, 45% unseen/anonymous male with female character/protag and 5% other combinations.
last edited at May 28, 2025 3:33AM
FluffyCow May 28, 2025 4:10AM
I will throw out that at least Arknights has some of my favorite F/F ships across the cast in gacha, maybe my personal favorite. Though with the Doctor there are a lot of M/Doc shippers for certain, and it's interesting to me how that really doesn't reflect canon and especially compared to most gachas. The Doctor is generally sickly and frail, they're the last person I'd expect to fuck or have much/any libido. Plus there's a lot of stories The Doctor isn't even involved in, which I personally like. I prefer the Doctor to have more of a familial relationship with most of the characters they're intimately close with, and I view my Doctor as any of the following They/Them -> They/She -> She/Her. I also prefer to view player characters as their own character, and I'm not one for self insertion in general. In conclusion I avoid the male self insert side of the fandom as much as I can lol
Adawal May 28, 2025 9:31AM
^^The MC in PtN is a really good fuckin character so I understand why she's the primary shipping component, less so because of self insertion, but there ARE competing ships for a few sinners, not to mention you could easily find fanart of just about most ships you can think of. The best candidate for competing against chiefships is Rahu/Shalom tho