^No, one is Artoria (better known as King Arthur), and the other is Nero Claudius. There's an acknowledged in universe trait called "Saber Face", which are characters that have a similar face to Artoria. That's the general gist.
That aside, it's fun to see Artoria with Nero, I've seen Nero with Mordred but I don't think I've seen her with Artoria.
eromancer
May 10, 2025 2:53AM
^ Isn't that basically just "anime face"? Or is that an actual plot element?
FluffyCow
May 10, 2025 2:57AM
^It's a particular thing, it's why Gilles mistakes Artoria for Jeanne and drives her crazy.
Moedred
May 10, 2025 8:13AM
^^This is just artist "sameface syndrome". but it's kinda made plot-relevant. Like FluffyCow said Gilles was obsessed with Jeanne and later with Saber, since she looks the same.
Nero is just Saber with bigger tits.
Yuri Yuriyuri
May 10, 2025 9:30AM
Sabers together strong
SeraphimofYuri
May 10, 2025 11:21AM
Why is it never Unshackled Bride Nero, that design looks cuter. Even if it's just Bride Nero with the bodysuit open and without the chains.
Also, I thought that was Hakuno for a moment, before I saw the ribbon.
Moedred
May 10, 2025 12:10PM
^Probably because more people know Nero Bride from either Fate/Extra or more probably Fate/Grand Order. Not that many played Fate/Extella or Fate/Arcade to see Unshackled/Imperial Pride version. And if I remember it's and DLC skin PS4 version in Extella Link. I don't have it in Fate/Extella on Steam.
I for one, wonder when, or if, they will add Nero Venus for FGO. But I think her costume would have to be modified, it's lewder than most bikini Spirit Origins.
last edited at May 10, 2025 12:16PM
juanelric
May 10, 2025 3:59PM
Actually not the same artist. Artoria was designed by Takashi Takeuchi and Nero by Wada Arco (I think she also designed Kronii?). Takeuchi IS famous for sameface but most Artoria lookalikes are deliberate.
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FluffyCow
May 10, 2025 4:10PM
^Yeah Wada is Kronii's artist, she also watches Kronii's streams and is supportive of her. Nero drawn by Wada and Artoria drawn by Takeuchi side by side are easy to tell apart because their art styles are noticeably different, yeah though there is a deliberate element of making them look alike. Personally I really like Takeuchi and Wada both, as Artoria (plus Mordred) and Nero are some of my favorites.
@Moedred: Yeah I don't think I've seen Nero Bride for either Extella on Steam, unfortunate that it sounds like it's Playstation exclusive x_x
Moedred
May 10, 2025 4:16PM
^Really? I watched/played so many different Fate related stuff and I didn't even know, but I don't really paid attention until I started frequent this site and started noticing how some artists have really distinct styles.
So I really can't think about other reason they look almost the same other than "Let's make other character looks like our most popular one, just with tweaks".
JGChaves
May 10, 2025 4:36PM
Bear in mind that a big part of Fate/Extra was making the player think they are experiencing something similar to Fate/Stay Night, only for it to turn out to be something different. It's not just the Saber the player commands. Shinji is different, Rin is not the same Rin, they don't even have the same servants, and the guy called Kuzuki is just using a fake name. Nasu seemed to be in a bit of a troll mood when he made that game.
FluffyCow
May 10, 2025 4:48PM
@Moedred: I think part of it is Takeuchi having some same-face (though I think some of his characters look different) so it became an in universe joke and official trait. With Gilles mistaking Artoria and Jeanne, "SaberFace" is a trait in FGO and Mysterious Heroine X does bonus NP damage against the trait. There's a variety of stuff. The one I'm unsure about so take it with a grain of salt is a friend once told me SaberFace supposedly connects to Eve (Biblical), and so everyone with the trait gives a glimpse of what Eve looks like in the Type Moon universe, but I don't think we've seen her and maybe that's just a fan theory. I've never been able to find a source on it but it doesn't sound impossible.
Also yeah Wada is the character artist for Nero, and she's the artist for Extra and Extella. Her art style is very different from Takeuchi's style, and in terms of Sabers she's the original artist for Altera who isn't a SaberFace. Though in FGO Altera is drawn by Huke (who is also the artist for Hololive's Kiara), which personally I prefer Wada drawing Altera.
juanelric
May 10, 2025 9:51PM
Also, I never watched Fate/Zero (I disliked most of the Fate animes I watched and fear this will be more of the same), but from what I read a lot of people thought Saber was Jeanne (I know I did, since I barely knew anything about Fate when I first watched UBW) so Urobuchi put someone in-universe to make that same mistake.
That said, I don't find Artoria and Fate's Jeanne that similar outside of Takeuchi's sameface
FluffyCow
May 10, 2025 10:32PM
Yeah going with the general main examples, Artoria, Mordred, Jeanne, and Nero all have very different styles of dress, and personalities plus general character tone. For example Artoria upon taking up the sword to become king became very stoic and emotionally suppressed, where as Mordred is very emotional and rebellious, so how they're drawn in terms of body language and general expression differs a lot. It's usually very easy to tell these characters apart once you're familiar with them in my experience.
Also yeah I still remember our old conversation where we agreed to disagree because you don't like most of the Fate anime, but Zero is generally different so you might like it. I have a friend that only likes Zero. Though maybe Fate just isn't your cup of tea and that's fine. I have a complicated relationship with the franchise, but also more than few people's worth of love for it as well haha
juanelric
May 11, 2025 2:38AM
^It's not even that I completely hate the franchise, I guess its storytelling just isn't for me lmao
The few animes I liked were the comedic ones (most of which I didn't finish because I either forgot or couldn't find the rest of the episodes). Haven't watched Carnival Phantasm yet though.
FluffyCow
May 11, 2025 2:41AM
^That's fair, it's not for everyone, and there's certain aspects and parts of it I'm not super into myself lol
Tamahime May 10, 2025 12:50AM
Are they twins?
FluffyCow May 10, 2025 12:59AM
^No, one is Artoria (better known as King Arthur), and the other is Nero Claudius. There's an acknowledged in universe trait called "Saber Face", which are characters that have a similar face to Artoria. That's the general gist.
That aside, it's fun to see Artoria with Nero, I've seen Nero with Mordred but I don't think I've seen her with Artoria.
eromancer May 10, 2025 2:53AM
^ Isn't that basically just "anime face"? Or is that an actual plot element?
FluffyCow May 10, 2025 2:57AM
^It's a particular thing, it's why Gilles mistakes Artoria for Jeanne and drives her crazy.
Moedred May 10, 2025 8:13AM
^^This is just artist "sameface syndrome". but it's kinda made plot-relevant. Like FluffyCow said Gilles was obsessed with Jeanne and later with Saber, since she looks the same.
Nero is just Saber with bigger tits.
Yuri Yuriyuri May 10, 2025 9:30AM
Sabers together strong
SeraphimofYuri May 10, 2025 11:21AM
Why is it never Unshackled Bride Nero, that design looks cuter. Even if it's just Bride Nero with the bodysuit open and without the chains.
Also, I thought that was Hakuno for a moment, before I saw the ribbon.
Moedred May 10, 2025 12:10PM
^Probably because more people know Nero Bride from either Fate/Extra or more probably Fate/Grand Order. Not that many played Fate/Extella or Fate/Arcade to see Unshackled/Imperial Pride version. And if I remember it's and DLC skin PS4 version in Extella Link. I don't have it in Fate/Extella on Steam.
I for one, wonder when, or if, they will add Nero Venus for FGO. But I think her costume would have to be modified, it's lewder than most bikini Spirit Origins.
last edited at May 10, 2025 12:16PM
juanelric May 10, 2025 3:59PM
Actually not the same artist. Artoria was designed by Takashi Takeuchi and Nero by Wada Arco (I think she also designed Kronii?). Takeuchi IS famous for sameface but most Artoria lookalikes are deliberate.
last edited at May 10, 2025 4:05PM
FluffyCow May 10, 2025 4:10PM
^Yeah Wada is Kronii's artist, she also watches Kronii's streams and is supportive of her. Nero drawn by Wada and Artoria drawn by Takeuchi side by side are easy to tell apart because their art styles are noticeably different, yeah though there is a deliberate element of making them look alike. Personally I really like Takeuchi and Wada both, as Artoria (plus Mordred) and Nero are some of my favorites.
@Moedred: Yeah I don't think I've seen Nero Bride for either Extella on Steam, unfortunate that it sounds like it's Playstation exclusive x_x
Moedred May 10, 2025 4:16PM
^Really? I watched/played so many different Fate related stuff and I didn't even know, but I don't really paid attention until I started frequent this site and started noticing how some artists have really distinct styles.
So I really can't think about other reason they look almost the same other than "Let's make other character looks like our most popular one, just with tweaks".
JGChaves May 10, 2025 4:36PM
Bear in mind that a big part of Fate/Extra was making the player think they are experiencing something similar to Fate/Stay Night, only for it to turn out to be something different. It's not just the Saber the player commands. Shinji is different, Rin is not the same Rin, they don't even have the same servants, and the guy called Kuzuki is just using a fake name. Nasu seemed to be in a bit of a troll mood when he made that game.
FluffyCow May 10, 2025 4:48PM
@Moedred: I think part of it is Takeuchi having some same-face (though I think some of his characters look different) so it became an in universe joke and official trait. With Gilles mistaking Artoria and Jeanne, "SaberFace" is a trait in FGO and Mysterious Heroine X does bonus NP damage against the trait. There's a variety of stuff. The one I'm unsure about so take it with a grain of salt is a friend once told me SaberFace supposedly connects to Eve (Biblical), and so everyone with the trait gives a glimpse of what Eve looks like in the Type Moon universe, but I don't think we've seen her and maybe that's just a fan theory. I've never been able to find a source on it but it doesn't sound impossible.
Also yeah Wada is the character artist for Nero, and she's the artist for Extra and Extella. Her art style is very different from Takeuchi's style, and in terms of Sabers she's the original artist for Altera who isn't a SaberFace. Though in FGO Altera is drawn by Huke (who is also the artist for Hololive's Kiara), which personally I prefer Wada drawing Altera.
juanelric May 10, 2025 9:51PM
Also, I never watched Fate/Zero (I disliked most of the Fate animes I watched and fear this will be more of the same), but from what I read a lot of people thought Saber was Jeanne (I know I did, since I barely knew anything about Fate when I first watched UBW) so Urobuchi put someone in-universe to make that same mistake.
That said, I don't find Artoria and Fate's Jeanne that similar outside of Takeuchi's sameface
FluffyCow May 10, 2025 10:32PM
Yeah going with the general main examples, Artoria, Mordred, Jeanne, and Nero all have very different styles of dress, and personalities plus general character tone. For example Artoria upon taking up the sword to become king became very stoic and emotionally suppressed, where as Mordred is very emotional and rebellious, so how they're drawn in terms of body language and general expression differs a lot. It's usually very easy to tell these characters apart once you're familiar with them in my experience.
Also yeah I still remember our old conversation where we agreed to disagree because you don't like most of the Fate anime, but Zero is generally different so you might like it. I have a friend that only likes Zero. Though maybe Fate just isn't your cup of tea and that's fine. I have a complicated relationship with the franchise, but also more than few people's worth of love for it as well haha
juanelric May 11, 2025 2:38AM
^It's not even that I completely hate the franchise, I guess its storytelling just isn't for me lmao
The few animes I liked were the comedic ones (most of which I didn't finish because I either forgot or couldn't find the rest of the episodes). Haven't watched Carnival Phantasm yet though.
FluffyCow May 11, 2025 2:41AM
^That's fair, it's not for everyone, and there's certain aspects and parts of it I'm not super into myself lol
Mugino May 11, 2025 4:05PM
They look the same to me, xd
FluffyCow May 11, 2025 4:26PM
^That's most of what we were discussing lol