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BlueDsc Dec 20, 2021 10:03PM

I know nothing about Genshin Impact, but this is absolutely adorable.

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Sakura Cartelet Dec 20, 2021 11:01PM

Eula's (blue hair) main joke is her declaring wanting "revenge" on people for the most minor of issues. Up until the recent (2.3) patch Amber (girl with ribbon) and Eula's shipping material was mainly limited to backstories. But during 2.3 she (Eula) took an ice bath with Amber (not shown in-game) and saved her (Amber) from an avalanche among other things. YouTube has most of the cutscenes if you want to see if the game might be something you'd be interested in. There's also a thread on this site discussing the game too.

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Kyoeboshi Dec 20, 2021 11:02PM

Eula x Amber is all you need to know about Genshin impact :D <3

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random Dec 20, 2021 11:29PM

Or rather, this is actually a canonically accurate representation of the nonstandard way Eula uses the term "vengeance" - because what she means by it is "paying back" in like and proportional measure. Lady doesn't like owing debts.

Like now hugs here. (Doesn't hurt that backstory-wise she's more or less Amber's adopted sister in all but name...)

It's a pretty major part of her character that she deliberately acts and talks in ways that require some effort to decipher the actual meaning, 'least until you get used to it.

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KS YuuHaru Dec 20, 2021 11:32PM

I really want an equally "ship" development with Ganqing and Ganyu :)

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Takasaki Reika Dec 20, 2021 11:39PM

this is the kind of revenge i like

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Titanoktonon Dec 21, 2021 1:11AM

@KS YuuHaru I see you're in deep, seeing how Ganqing is the ship name for Keqing and Ganyu.

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Missigno Dec 21, 2021 2:42AM

Revenge in hugs? Absolutely

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ponder Dec 21, 2021 3:18PM

@BlueDsc You should checkout the promotional video for Eula (New Character Demo - "Eula: Flickering Candlelight" | Genshin Impact). It's mesmerizing.

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random Dec 21, 2021 4:17PM

^aka Amber making confused gay noises in four different languages (͠≖ ͜ʖ͠≖)

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BlueDsc Dec 21, 2021 4:38PM

@ponder
Okay, yeah, that video was nice. It was very enjoyably stylish, and that ending was cute.

It kinda sucks, cause I would like to give Genshin a try, but it being a gacha just really turns me off. I see a lot of people say it's not that bad, but I see just as many people talk about dropping thousands on the game, so meh. I think I'll just stay content with seeing fanmade stuff like this for now.

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random Dec 21, 2021 4:45PM

^I mean that's literally a self-control (and disposable income) issue. You don't have to spend a cent but the company will of course happily take your money if you have a gambling problem or just no issue with big spending for whatever reason...

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BlueDsc Dec 21, 2021 5:05PM

So, my issue with gacha games is that they're typically designed to try to get you to spend money, and that has a tendency of ruining a game that I would otherwise enjoy if they're too aggressive with it.

It's not a gacha, but I'm gonna use GTA Online for my example since I used to play that a lot and the type of issue is more or less the same. I spent a lot of time playing GTAO in the past because it was a pretty enjoyable time, but over the years they got more and more aggressive with their monetization of it to the point where you basically had to treat the game as a second job if you wanted to do basically any of the new stuff without having to drop a bunch of money on it.

It's just one of those things where Genshin is a game that you're meant to put a lot of time into it, but the fact that it's a Gacha just makes me want to stick with the long term games I already play and know don't try to nickel and dime me. Asking existing and former players for their opinion on how aggressive the Gacha is doesn't help, because, again, I've seen plenty say you can easily play without spending money, and plenty saying the exact opposite. The only real way for me to find out would be to play it myself, but I'm not really willing to put the time into actually doing that. Not right now at the very least. Maybe someday down the line I'll bite the bullet and give it a try.

Honestly, I don't even mind throwing money at a game like this if I'm having a good time and don't feel like they're trying to force me to give them money to continue enjoying it. I've thrown money at Warframe several times over the years cause I've never actually felt I needed to spend money on the game, but I get massive amounts of enjoyment from it so I'll occasionally buy cosmetics and such to show support.

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random Dec 21, 2021 5:18PM

^people saying the exact opposite are either tryhards who must have all the latest and greatest or somesuch, or have the aforementioned self-discipline issues. Or both since those often go together. It's a pure PvE game ferchrissakes.

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BlueDsc Dec 21, 2021 5:21PM

PvP or PvE doesn't really matter. There are plenty of free to play single player games that try to nickel and dime you. Anyway, I feel this is starting to go a bit off topic, so this will be my last response on it.

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GlaciPok Dec 22, 2021 1:07AM

Genshin is definitely a game me and my friends would play a lot more if it weren't for it being a gacha game. It sucks so badly to not get a character you want but is only available for a limited time that it kinda just takes the wind out of your sails a lot of the time. Granted there are rerun banners but those are few and far between for a lot of the more desirable characters such as Raiden Shogun or Ganyu.
Me and my friend were discussing this the other day and they brought up an interesting idea. They said they might play the game a lot more if it was just bundled as a 60 dollar game and you would purchase cosmetics and such if you want but you get all the characters and maybe pay to unlock new regions. Now I don't know if I'd be completely on board with the region thing but if the game was sold as is as a 60 dollar game with all the bells and whistles I would without a doubt pay that rather than having to shill out large amounts of money just to get my fave once.
But that wouldn't make them nearly as much money than the current system so I get it, just sucks.

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CindertailtheKistune Dec 22, 2021 5:49AM

Seeing Eula x Amber fanart makes me sad.
Seems as though Lumber is being thrown away . . . .

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ponder Dec 22, 2021 9:52AM

@BlueDsc If you are considering trying the game, here's some information that maybe would be helpful? The Salt Factory has a Youtube video (Is Genshin Impact Worth Playing?) that I think does a pretty good job explaining some considerations about playing the game including touching upon the gacha aspect of it. IMO, I think probably two things to factor in whether you should avoid the game are: How well are you able to handle disappointment, and are you the type of person that cannot deter themselves from something you want when you see it. Disappointment in the game comes in multiple forms including the obvious not getting a specific character or weapon that you want through the gacha mechanic, but another occurrence is (and is apparently a big enough problem that it makes even dedicated players consider quitting) there is a pure random element to gear upgrades that often leaves players not getting the desired outcome and having to grind a lot with the added insult of the grind being time-gated. Showstoppers aside, I think an important question is how are you likely to have fun playing the game? Is character collection the goal? Do you just want a pretty game with nice music? Are you okay with battle and exploration focused game play? Are you okay with progression gating that incentivizes you to log in daily? Are you fine with repetitive grinding? Are you okay with what some hardcore gamers consider a relatively low amount of "end game" content? I think getting an overall idea of what the gameplay is like and what about it (if anything) appeals to you might give you an idea whether you would be fine approaching it as strictly a free-to-play game, or you think you'd feel compelled to break out the credit card. Addressing the monetization aspect of the game, without sugar-coating it, there are no doubt some aspects of the game design that are IMO predatory (such as showcasing characters that are only available for limited times), but it is also the case that the game could be completely enjoyable without paying at all it just depends on how you would enjoy playing the game.

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Mr. Jones Dec 22, 2021 9:30PM

Seems like everybody who plays one claims that their mobile game is the one out of all of them that won't try to swindle you.

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random Dec 22, 2021 9:48PM

^define "swindle." Because there's an awful amount of difference between the baseline tempting you to spend some money that comes with the territory with MMOs and outright obnoxious paywalling, and I've seen enough of both to recognise it.

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DY4Y Dec 22, 2021 10:43PM

^Gambling mechanics in general are a form of "swindling"

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random Dec 22, 2021 11:41PM

^do spare me the hollow platitudes.

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Licentious Lantern Dec 23, 2021 7:37AM

Gacha is gambling. Gambling has to be regulated. Gacha is not regulated.
Governments are lagging behind on putting these new variations of gambling under the appropiate sections of the law, but that does not make them any less insidious. Impulse control is not an argument against gambling needing to be regulated. I can only hope that gacha will experience the same fate as lootboxes.

That being said, Genshin is rather baity to begin with, so the yuri is subtexty at best. If yuri is the goal, there is no point to playing it.

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Titanoktonon Dec 24, 2021 2:57AM

I believe that Gacha is technically regulated by Japanese law, where there has to be a definite rate for each rarity, which must be disclosed to the player.
But I agree, don't play for yuri. You can probably just look up any yuri suggesting scenes on Youtube if you really want.

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Omega Deuse Dec 24, 2021 7:14AM

I played Genshin, briefly, on launch and I can say the gacha definitely hurts it, whether or not you can progress without it. Good weapons are locked behind the gacha, but the game needs to give you loot, so you get piles of worthless garbage and duplicates. Characters are locked behind the Gacha, so there's a good chance you won't be able to play with the characters you want to, but so are character abilities, which makes everything feel very static and repetitive, even as you're levelling up.

If it was a full priced game, with properly paced unlocks, I'd definitely recommend it. As is, I'd recommend staying away.

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random Dec 24, 2021 7:22AM

^constellations are not the same as abilities. Which as it happens do unlock with leveling.

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Hylarn Dec 24, 2021 7:23AM

Yeah... The gacha elements definitely conflict with the BotW elements that you're here for. The game design requires plenty of loot, but you need something to roll for, so most of what you get for exploring is crap. The main draw is exploration, but the live service model requires you to always have something to do, so there's plenty of tedious grinding if you want to get strong. Then there's the whole world level thing...

The game is impressive, but I can't really say it's good. And if you're here for the characters there's not really much point in playing, since the writing is honestly pretty bad

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random Dec 24, 2021 7:37AM

^tedious farming for junk needed for progressing in whatever isn't exactly limited to GI though, or even online games in general. Plenty of purely offline singleplayer games go for it bigtime too. (Coincidentially or not Asian devs seem to be really fond of it.) Certainly just about industry standard for MMOs though already for progression pacing reasons - players, or at least the tryhard types who speedrun new content within three days of release tops, tend to whine enough about lack of ye ever-nebulous "endgame content" and "things to do" as is.

Whether that's good design principle in general is really a question of deeper game design philosophy and strategy that's way the fuck outside the scope of this discussion and thread.

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TimSuu Dec 24, 2021 10:25AM

A lot of you commenting here are so freaking adorable. You think Genshin Impact is a bad gacha. So cuuuuute. You're even more adorable than this comic. I've been playing gacha games for years now and I don't think Genshin Impact is even a true gacha. First off, you can finish every single content in the game using only the first 4 characters given to you while using only crafted weapons. Even if you don't touch the gacha I'm pretty sure you can easily breeze through every single content the game has to offer aside from content which you need more than 4 people. About 90% of all hate and salt that the people have against Genshin Impact comes from only 1 thing, and that's people not being used to a gacha game. If you played an actual gacha game, where you actually need characters that you can only get on the gacha system to have a hope in progressing, you'd appreciate the fact that ALL characters in GI are ALL viable and ALL usable despite what those content creators and tier list says. GI has no characters below 4*. How many 1* characters do other gacha games have that are literally just pack fillers? The main problem with GI is that it reached so many people in such a small amount of time that even though it's such an easier game than any other gacha game out there, people are still being so pissy about it.

As an example, take F/GO which I also play and enjoy. The game currently has 280+ servants, and only 118 of which are 5*, with some of them not even being that good despite being 5*. F/GO's banner system doesn't have the generous pity system GI has. F/GO banners are also not character or weapon specific, you get both in the same banners and you get 1* to 5* servants and weapons in their banners. The probability of getting what you want is abysmally low compared to when rolling for GI characters or weapons. And there are even worse gachas than that. GxB2 necessitates players to use another copy of the character to upgrade your character. So imagine Eula needing another copy of eula to get to level 70, then 2 copies of any other 5* to get to 80, then needing 2 Eulas plus 3 more 5*s to get to 90. That's how other gachas work. Genshin Impact is so casual that comparing it to other gachas is like comparing playing solitaire to competitive MTG. I find it so idiotic how people and even the toxic "fandom" complain how unfair GI is and how it "locks" characters behind "paywalls" when there are tons and tons and tons of gacha games out there that you will literally not be able to play without the latest limited character. And if you're complaining how "grindy" GI is, that's just how rpgs work. That's how they get you to keep playing the game. Maybe stick to playing mobas or battleground type games coz any rpg or rpg like games will need you to grind a bit. (Also note that you don't even need to grind that much for GI. Try playing the game yourself and you'll realize you don't need to hit 5m damage like those youtubers you like so much to kill an enemy you can easily defeat with 2k~3k dps)

And I know people will probably spam "copium" and "whiteknight" even after all of the valid facts i sited, but it's just so freaking annoying how even this yuri site isn't safe from GI bashing. GI is a free game you don't have to pay for and doesn't restrict you in anyway even if you don't spend a single cent on it. Blaming the game for being bad when you're mad you can't get a character you want or can't control yourself from spending says a lot more about you than the game or devs.

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Licentious Lantern Dec 24, 2021 11:09AM

Whataboutisms don't cure Genshin of its flaws.

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Hylarn Dec 24, 2021 12:17PM

How many 1* characters do other gacha games have that are literally just pack fillers?

...So? Genshin's filler not being characters doesn't really change anything

And if you're complaining how "grindy" GI is, that's just how rpgs work.

You're either terrible at RPGs or exclusively play gacha games. Mandatory grinding hasn't really been a common design choice since, like, the 16 bit era

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Casusby Dec 24, 2021 12:25PM

The forums already have a topic for Genshin discussion found here: https://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/17518-genshin-impact

Please do not continue discussing whatever your takes are on Genshin in the image comments. Thank you.

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g.ka Jan 13, 2022 12:11PM

this comment section was ment for the couples and then i screw down and i see it turned out to become university size thesis on GI and its system..... lol XD