Great timing to talk about Kiara announcing the end of TakaMori, for those who like to discuss the keyfabe and yurifanservice on vtubers and how it affects them, be it possitive or negatively
Legitimate question, what's the difference between yuri fanservice and queer baiting? Like, obviously I don't think a majority of people expected anything to actually come from TakaMori, or most HoloLive ships. But is it not the same thing of exploiting people who are expecting some form of queer representation into watching your content?
Also, I can't believe Kiara was able to say it live on stream without getting bonked by management. It is immersion shattering to pretty much say that a relatively big characteristic of yours is being dropped with no real attempt to make it fit with the keyfabe, and for those that care about being immersed into the characters rather than the people behind the avatar, that can turn them off from your content for good.
Jelbel
Oct 9, 2021 2:55AM
^^ Kiara isn't ending TakaMori, she talked about it in member stream. She pretty much said that she want her interactions with Calli to be natural instead if being forced into a role. She said still love the ship itself and it's fine to continue with it. I can't blame her honestly, Tsundere are fun in fiction, but being treated like that by a person close to you in real life sound very exhausting.
Basically, TakaMori is fine, what they are gonna drop is the dynamic with Kiara being obsessed and Calli being tsun tsun. Which, at least on Kiara's part, she dropped it several months ago, so not much will change on her end.
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Elegiant
Oct 9, 2021 5:07AM
^^^For fucks sakes are you seriously going to post that bullshit on every Takamori pic
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BV
Oct 9, 2021 8:30AM
Oh no, we're NOT repeating the same conversation from last time again. I struggled to read the posts once, I'm NOT trying again.
kittey
Oct 9, 2021 8:36AM
Legitimate question, what's the difference between yuri fanservice and queer baiting? Like, obviously I don't think a majority of people expected anything to actually come from TakaMori, or most HoloLive ships. But is it not the same thing of exploiting people who are expecting some form of queer representation into watching your content?
The difference is the target audience and how realistic it is presented, I guess? Yuri fanservice is basically Girl-on-Girl is Hot for heterosexual males because that’s where the big money is. If you have a good gaydar, it’s usually not hard to tell that most of it is just for show and I don’t consider that queer-baiting. I’d only agree on the queer-baiting if Crossick or NoeFlare would turn out to be fake.
Pingoloco
Oct 9, 2021 10:40AM
I'm proud of myself for never having shipped Vtubers, especially these two
FluffyCow
Oct 9, 2021 10:57AM
^And I'm proud of myself for shipping Vtubers responsibly. I know I can enjoy cute interactions from these entertainers, and the fluffy fanart, while not getting too sucked into it and while also not harassing or bothering them about it in chat, on social media, and so fourth. Nothing wrong with shipping if you can stay reasonable about it in my opinion, and it's part of the fun of fan content. Some Vtubers even request and enjoy ship art.
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Anyways, here we go again with another week of Takamori debates. Surely this can only go well. Edit: Also Kiara even said on Twitter to an artist that she enjoys seeing all ship art. So clearly artists are still okay to draw the ship and any ship with her, plus Takamori art still often shows up on my timeline because of her and even Calli still liking and retweeting it. People really don't need to keep bringing up that Takamori is "dead", that's also one of the main things she finds annoying from my understanding.
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17hunter00
Oct 9, 2021 1:41PM
@Elegiant .... huh? This is the first time I say something like this
myrrhmidon
Oct 9, 2021 1:56PM
^The accusation seems to be a mistake but this discussion has happened already and we really don't need another one.
Vankomycin
Oct 9, 2021 2:07PM
Shipping is serious business around these parts.
colboh
Oct 9, 2021 2:16PM
So, all Kiara said was that their relationship was changing so that it didn't feel like a stereotypical yuri relationship anymore, and 'shippers are convinced she's "ending" TakaMori?
No one saw it as their relationship growing and progressing naturally, and Kiara and Calli becoming more comfortable with each other to the point where they DON'T need to actively vie for the other's attention?
For fuck's sake.
I'm glad Kiara brought it up; as much as I love TakaMori, I hate when both sides of a yuri 'ship get pigeonholed as much they did. How about a little variety in our HoloMyth yuri; let's see flirty Kiara or smooth Calli put the moves on Ina, Gura, or Ame for once?
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FluffyCow
Oct 9, 2021 2:17PM
@Vankomycin: Haha yeah unfortunately shipping with any community and any form of media or whatnot can go south quickly.
@Colboh Pretty much yeah.
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Thebingolas
Oct 9, 2021 3:50PM
^^ Lmao yeah, as if it's completely normal for a relationship to change overnight, like just flip a switch and the entire way of how a person feel and acts towards you change completely! what a genuine friendship it must be
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Jelbel
Oct 9, 2021 4:05PM
^ Except their relationship haven't changed overnight, what Kiara talked about have been going on for months, people just didn't notice it until Kiara mentioned it. Also, if you don't think their friendship is genuine then, you haven't watched either of them.
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Thebingolas
Oct 9, 2021 5:12PM
^ If their ship stuff is not genuine then why should I believe that their friendship is genuine too? lol
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FluffyCow
Oct 9, 2021 5:45PM
@Jelbel: I hope you know you don't need to say anymore. It's not worth it to argue.
drpepperfan
Oct 9, 2021 6:29PM
Please stop talking about this every time takamori is posted.
Vankomycin
Oct 9, 2021 7:56PM
^ Avatar goes well with this post.
Frost777
Oct 9, 2021 8:20PM
^^agreed this has been going on for too long. I already put my two cents out in the worl I don't need to listen to it again. People do be debating this too much when this already been done before with AmeSame and AmeSame is still very much alive. So why can't people just shut their F-wording trap and shut it. Takamori 2.0 will just be the same like AmeSame 2.0 which is ALL. CHILL. If y'all want a debate do it somewhere else.
I just want to see what pep thought about this cute TeeTee TKMR pic but all I got is all this Sh*t again. I'm sick of hearing it when it's not even the main point of this.
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Linterdiction
Oct 9, 2021 10:00PM
^^It's pretty much the perfect pfp for a mod, isn't it? The very avatar of "Not this shit again."
(thank you for your hard work drpepperfan)
Norainhere
Oct 9, 2021 11:19PM
Love how the KFP employees are forced to listen to Kiara's bragging
17hunter00
Oct 9, 2021 11:37PM
Now I understand it better, thanks to those who presented their points of view kindly. TakaMori is not over, but more like the ship dynamic, with kiara being the assertive bottom-left character (concept that was too forgotten to move on to better things) and calli the tsundere, which I didn't like since the beggining, it seemed forced, especially from Calli's side, to me she sounded a little bit too rough sometimes and really unnatural, and I didn't think it was healthy to begin with. I hope they can be more free and act more like themselves from now on.
Takasaki Reika
Oct 11, 2021 7:53AM
let's just enjoy this
Vankomycin
Oct 11, 2021 8:13AM
^ Too late!
nhl2312
Oct 11, 2021 2:10PM
Thank you for the detail explanation on the topic. As a Takamori shipper I'm was worried / desperate trying to figure out if Mom and Dad really got divorced or something. :'(
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YayaSamuko
Oct 12, 2021 12:47AM
Well... They are cute so it's fine
yuri forever
Oct 12, 2021 12:42PM
Love this couple so much
Sky-Ventus
Oct 15, 2021 12:02PM
Thats why my buddies, never treat a ship of real ppl the same way as you do with fictional characters, they will never be the same thing xd
CreamyDesk19
Mar 30, 2022 1:46AM
Heh, insightful. Can I use what I learned here, I kinda low key ship PikaTMSK haha
beccamyoui Oct 8, 2021 9:38PM
death's satisfied
17hunter00 Oct 9, 2021 1:43AM
Great timing to talk about Kiara announcing the end of TakaMori, for those who like to discuss the keyfabe and yurifanservice on vtubers and how it affects them, be it possitive or negatively
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjOuEAaBMT8 for those who haven't seen it
Namyks Oct 9, 2021 2:43AM
Legitimate question, what's the difference between yuri fanservice and queer baiting? Like, obviously I don't think a majority of people expected anything to actually come from TakaMori, or most HoloLive ships. But is it not the same thing of exploiting people who are expecting some form of queer representation into watching your content?
Also, I can't believe Kiara was able to say it live on stream without getting bonked by management. It is immersion shattering to pretty much say that a relatively big characteristic of yours is being dropped with no real attempt to make it fit with the keyfabe, and for those that care about being immersed into the characters rather than the people behind the avatar, that can turn them off from your content for good.
Jelbel Oct 9, 2021 2:55AM
^^ Kiara isn't ending TakaMori, she talked about it in member stream. She pretty much said that she want her interactions with Calli to be natural instead if being forced into a role. She said still love the ship itself and it's fine to continue with it. I can't blame her honestly, Tsundere are fun in fiction, but being treated like that by a person close to you in real life sound very exhausting.
Basically, TakaMori is fine, what they are gonna drop is the dynamic with Kiara being obsessed and Calli being tsun tsun. Which, at least on Kiara's part, she dropped it several months ago, so not much will change on her end.
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Elegiant Oct 9, 2021 5:07AM
^^^For fucks sakes are you seriously going to post that bullshit on every Takamori pic
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BV Oct 9, 2021 8:30AM
Oh no, we're NOT repeating the same conversation from last time again. I struggled to read the posts once, I'm NOT trying again.
kittey Oct 9, 2021 8:36AM
The difference is the target audience and how realistic it is presented, I guess? Yuri fanservice is basically Girl-on-Girl is Hot for heterosexual males because that’s where the big money is. If you have a good gaydar, it’s usually not hard to tell that most of it is just for show and I don’t consider that queer-baiting. I’d only agree on the queer-baiting if Crossick or NoeFlare would turn out to be fake.
Pingoloco Oct 9, 2021 10:40AM
I'm proud of myself for never having shipped Vtubers, especially these two
FluffyCow Oct 9, 2021 10:57AM
^And I'm proud of myself for shipping Vtubers responsibly. I know I can enjoy cute interactions from these entertainers, and the fluffy fanart, while not getting too sucked into it and while also not harassing or bothering them about it in chat, on social media, and so fourth. Nothing wrong with shipping if you can stay reasonable about it in my opinion, and it's part of the fun of fan content. Some Vtubers even request and enjoy ship art.
~
Anyways, here we go again with another week of Takamori debates. Surely this can only go well. Edit: Also Kiara even said on Twitter to an artist that she enjoys seeing all ship art. So clearly artists are still okay to draw the ship and any ship with her, plus Takamori art still often shows up on my timeline because of her and even Calli still liking and retweeting it. People really don't need to keep bringing up that Takamori is "dead", that's also one of the main things she finds annoying from my understanding.
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17hunter00 Oct 9, 2021 1:41PM
@Elegiant .... huh? This is the first time I say something like this
myrrhmidon Oct 9, 2021 1:56PM
^The accusation seems to be a mistake but this discussion has happened already and we really don't need another one.
Vankomycin Oct 9, 2021 2:07PM
Shipping is serious business around these parts.
colboh Oct 9, 2021 2:16PM
So, all Kiara said was that their relationship was changing so that it didn't feel like a stereotypical yuri relationship anymore, and 'shippers are convinced she's "ending" TakaMori?
No one saw it as their relationship growing and progressing naturally, and Kiara and Calli becoming more comfortable with each other to the point where they DON'T need to actively vie for the other's attention?
For fuck's sake.
I'm glad Kiara brought it up; as much as I love TakaMori, I hate when both sides of a yuri 'ship get pigeonholed as much they did. How about a little variety in our HoloMyth yuri; let's see flirty Kiara or smooth Calli put the moves on Ina, Gura, or Ame for once?
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FluffyCow Oct 9, 2021 2:17PM
@Vankomycin: Haha yeah unfortunately shipping with any community and any form of media or whatnot can go south quickly.
@Colboh Pretty much yeah.
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Thebingolas Oct 9, 2021 3:50PM
^^ Lmao yeah, as if it's completely normal for a relationship to change overnight, like just flip a switch and the entire way of how a person feel and acts towards you change completely! what a genuine friendship it must be
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Jelbel Oct 9, 2021 4:05PM
^ Except their relationship haven't changed overnight, what Kiara talked about have been going on for months, people just didn't notice it until Kiara mentioned it. Also, if you don't think their friendship is genuine then, you haven't watched either of them.
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Thebingolas Oct 9, 2021 5:12PM
^ If their ship stuff is not genuine then why should I believe that their friendship is genuine too? lol
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FluffyCow Oct 9, 2021 5:45PM
@Jelbel: I hope you know you don't need to say anymore. It's not worth it to argue.
drpepperfan Oct 9, 2021 6:29PM
Please stop talking about this every time takamori is posted.
Vankomycin Oct 9, 2021 7:56PM
^ Avatar goes well with this post.
Frost777 Oct 9, 2021 8:20PM
^^agreed this has been going on for too long. I already put my two cents out in the worl I don't need to listen to it again. People do be debating this too much when this already been done before with AmeSame and AmeSame is still very much alive. So why can't people just shut their F-wording trap and shut it. Takamori 2.0 will just be the same like AmeSame 2.0 which is ALL. CHILL. If y'all want a debate do it somewhere else.
I just want to see what pep thought about this cute TeeTee TKMR pic but all I got is all this Sh*t again. I'm sick of hearing it when it's not even the main point of this.
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Linterdiction Oct 9, 2021 10:00PM
^^It's pretty much the perfect pfp for a mod, isn't it? The very avatar of "Not this shit again."
(thank you for your hard work drpepperfan)
Norainhere Oct 9, 2021 11:19PM
Love how the KFP employees are forced to listen to Kiara's bragging
17hunter00 Oct 9, 2021 11:37PM
Now I understand it better, thanks to those who presented their points of view kindly. TakaMori is not over, but more like the ship dynamic, with kiara being the assertive bottom-left character (concept that was too forgotten to move on to better things) and calli the tsundere, which I didn't like since the beggining, it seemed forced, especially from Calli's side, to me she sounded a little bit too rough sometimes and really unnatural, and I didn't think it was healthy to begin with. I hope they can be more free and act more like themselves from now on.
Takasaki Reika Oct 11, 2021 7:53AM
let's just enjoy this
Vankomycin Oct 11, 2021 8:13AM
^ Too late!
nhl2312 Oct 11, 2021 2:10PM
Thank you for the detail explanation on the topic. As a Takamori shipper I'm was worried / desperate trying to figure out if Mom and Dad really got divorced or something. :'(
last edited at Oct 11, 2021 4:23PM
YayaSamuko Oct 12, 2021 12:47AM
Well... They are cute so it's fine
yuri forever Oct 12, 2021 12:42PM
Love this couple so much
Sky-Ventus Oct 15, 2021 12:02PM
Thats why my buddies, never treat a ship of real ppl the same way as you do with fictional characters, they will never be the same thing xd
CreamyDesk19 Mar 30, 2022 1:46AM
Heh, insightful. Can I use what I learned here, I kinda low key ship PikaTMSK haha
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