You can do it! Pick up your big titty, ripped as hell wife!
last edited at Jun 29, 2020 9:22PM
Clueless1
Jun 29, 2020 10:25PM
Second place!
Muscles were a bit a challenge to draw in, the bulbous boobs are a slight turn off (their suits shrank or they drank too much “Drink Me”—ok, I just finished “Alice in Wonderland”).
Throbelisk
Jun 29, 2020 11:00PM
^ How dare you give our big tiddy married couple second place...
last edited at Jun 29, 2020 11:00PM
nio_neka
Jun 29, 2020 11:18PM
awwww she's trying her best to carry her. XD
Dark_Tzitzimine
Jun 30, 2020 12:49AM
FYI, we know their names now. DSG is named Sera/Sela and her wife is named Ursula.
Mimiyaah
Jun 30, 2020 8:07AM
The struggle
juanelric
Jun 30, 2020 9:56AM
@Dark_Tzitzimine oh nice
Drake
Jun 30, 2020 12:30PM
Top wife tries to be strong wife.
Dark_Tzitzimine
Jun 30, 2020 2:33PM
So, 23 posted two newpics that seem to confirm without of shadow of a doubt that Ursula is a futa.
last edited at Jun 30, 2020 2:37PM
Galim
Jun 30, 2020 2:50PM
^ Nope. By the color, that's squirt, not semen, and the censor bar is covering DSG's clit rather than a dick. So only the position implies it, which could just as easily be explained as a strapless strap-on.
Trust me, I've been crusading against the idea that AG is a futa for a long time. Everything is always properly ambiguous (there's even a sketch post with a note on it that points out that AG's genitals are never visible, even though there're older posts where she clearly has a cameltoe) except for the old April Fool's post where the dick is clearly visible, which is, of course, April Fool's. It's not even the first time they've been in a position that clearly is meant to imply a dick without actually showing it, there're like half a dozen at least. Strapless strap-on is honestly the most consistent explanation.
Edit: Found the sketch (Was on Twitpic but...), so if anyone can read Japanese and confirm. It seems to be saying that she's drawn ambiguously so the artist doesn't have to censor it, but I can't be certain.
Note: Sankaku Complex is a hive of nutjobs and I do not condone their bullshit.
last edited at Aug 12, 2020 8:59PM
thechampionmike95
Jun 30, 2020 3:03PM
They do have a kid that's into futa. I've always saw it as a luke mother like daughter thing.
Galim
Jun 30, 2020 3:08PM
^ And that's your right, my point was there has not been nor will there probably ever be a conclusive confirmation either way. Personally, my opinion is that futanari is a heinous, obnoxiously fetishized parody of representation that presents a scourge on lesbians, trans women, and intersex individuals.
last edited at Jun 30, 2020 4:33PM
hausenmaster
Jun 30, 2020 7:05PM
@Galim wahh. People lke you are scary. extremism never solves anything.
Galim
Jun 30, 2020 7:34PM
^ I said my opinion. That is all. I'm not going to fault anyone else for liking it. I'm not going to try and stop anyone from drawing it, because the odds of success are basically zero. It's a fetish thing. It's impossible to stop.
However, I will debate anyone who claims it to be positive representation for any of the groups I mentioned, and for this case I will present all evidence necessary to prove that there is no definitive proof of Ahoge Girl being a futanari, only repeated and deliberately ambiguous implications.
last edited at Jun 30, 2020 7:38PM
Throbelisk
Jun 30, 2020 11:10PM
^ The only group futanari actually represent is hermaphrodites, so I'm not sure why you included lesbians and trans women. Leaving aside porn, which is supposed to be fetishistic in nature, can you really say that attempts like "Boku no Futatsu no Tsubasa" (the only non-hentai, serious representation of the subject I can think of) are negative to a group that has been marginalized throughout history?
To be clear, I don't care if either of this couple is supposed to be futanari or not, and I won't argue that point because they're so cute.
Galim
Jun 30, 2020 11:59PM
^ Because despite the technical definition, futanari are almost always drawn without female genitalia, thereby making them resemble, and be mistaken for, pre-op trans women, to an extent that most western viewers don't appreciate the difference. The problem there is that they are inherently cis women with dicks, skewing the assumption of most trans women's ability to "pass" (Yes I know that's offensive, it's in quotes and I'm using it to make a point about perception) to toxic levels.
It affects lesbians because, well, think about the ratio of good, realistic lesbian porn to "Let's slap a dick on one of them without a second thought because it's more interesting that way".
Maybe some of the lesbian portion is my personal experience, being an intersex lesbian (CAIS, so you basically can't know unless I tell you). The first time someone called me a "futanari" to my face, I fucking slapped them.
The fact that they are almost exclusively represented in porn is the problem. You can't leave aside porn, because that's 99%. If there were more honest, serious attempts like the one you mentioned, yes, it could be a positive thing, but there aren't.
last edited at Jul 1, 2020 12:12AM
Chinro
Jul 1, 2020 4:58AM
^
The problem there is that they are inherently cis women with dicks, skewing the assumption of most trans women's ability to "pass" (Yes I know that's offensive, it's in quotes and I'm using it to make a point about perception) to toxic levels.
I'm not sure I quite get what you mean, that futa are setting unrealistic expectations for trans women and their ability to "pass"?
Personally, when I see futa sans penis I take it as it's own thing unless explicitly told otherwise, I would not put them in the same category as trains women.
The fact that they are almost exclusively represented in porn is the problem. You can't leave aside porn, because that's 99%. If there were more honest, serious attempts like the one you mentioned, yes, it could be a positive thing, but there aren't.
I mean you can do stories with futa doing normal, everyday things but then their nature as futa don't really come into play. I suppose you could make it about how they might struggle or thrive with their nature.
last edited at Jul 1, 2020 4:58AM
Galim
Jul 1, 2020 5:31AM
^ I'm saying futanari, a term that is effectively lost in translation and interpreted to mean "normal woman, except with a dick" is presented as being in the same category as trans women (Hentai Foundry, for example, uses a catch-all "TG" tag that includes futanari, intersex, and transgender) and sets unrealistic expectations of how "cis" trans women look. Sort of like casting a cis actor to play a trans character, and why that's frowned upon.
It's called respectful intersex representation. The same way you would try to represent any other LGBTQ+ character in your work.
P.S. Futa sans penis? I'm not sure what you mean, isn't that a regular woman? Did you mean futa sans vulva?
last edited at Jul 1, 2020 5:37AM
Throbelisk
Jul 1, 2020 6:45AM
^ Not buying the whole "actors can't act like people they're not" bullshit, sorry. That's literally what acting is. And you have to disregard the futanari porn when talking about representation, because almost all porn is not necessarily representative of the people depicted in it. I think what you're seeing isn't a problem with negative views of futanari in serious works, but people unable to make the distinction between porn and real life. Which is an entirely different problem, and affects people no matter their sex or orientation.
Galim
Jul 1, 2020 7:31AM
^ On the first point, just so you know, it's not a matter of actors acting like people they're not, it's actors being chosen to depict people they don't represent. Blackface is bad, right? Same thing, really, just more subtle.
On the second point, fair enough. I never claimed to have a problem with intersex representation outside of porn. There's still a problem, which is that the porn so vastly, overwhelming outnumbers anything else for futanari specifically in a way that simply doesn't happen anymore for any other portion of LGBTQ+. Yes, there's a lot of lesbian porn that's shitty and made for straight men, but the ratio of that to actual lesbian representation absolutely pales in comparison to futa porn versus any real intersex rep. That's why it's different. Most people will only encounter futanari porn because that's basically all there is.
last edited at Jul 1, 2020 7:43AM
Throbelisk
Jul 1, 2020 8:04AM
^ You can't really compare a "straight" person portraying a member of the LGBT community to blackface. It's a completely different thing. One is an instantly-recognizable feature of someone's exterior body, and the other is the inside, which is the part that good actors excel at.
Galim
Jul 1, 2020 8:10AM
^ In my original mention I was specifically talking about cis actors portraying trans characters, which is in fact, in most cases, a visible trait on the exterior body, as you put it, and which was also relevant to the comparison I was making at the time regarding the expectation of trans women to look perfectly cis.
I make no comment about straight actors playing gay characters or what have you.
last edited at Jul 1, 2020 8:11AM
Wanderer
Jul 1, 2020 12:45PM
^Bro shut up, sorry but like no one cares about that. I just wanted to look at this pretty pic and see the funny/positive comments people put on it and you just spoiled my mood rotten. Who cares if it's futa or not? It literally does not make any form of detrimental impact on any of our lives. Just... Don't talk sometimes, the world can be a better place if you do that sometimes.
Xvnom
Jul 2, 2020 12:42AM
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Servomoore
Jul 2, 2020 2:13AM
Lifting from a kneeling position is for ab exercises.
Throbelisk
Jul 2, 2020 7:51AM
^ Gotta maintain those amazing toned tummies.
zeffy101
Jul 3, 2020 12:52AM
when you try to act/be Top but fail miserably at it
Givemeanaccount
Jul 3, 2020 8:35AM
^ Well, there have been times when she has beenthetop/assertiveone, but she's clearly not strong enough to pick her wife up
thechampionmike95
Jul 3, 2020 9:45AM
Last one is my favorite since it's pre super enhanced boobs 23 art of them. The now is ok but they look much cuter back then.
kittey
Jul 3, 2020 5:06PM
Technically not Marriage but 9th wedding anniversary. Since their marriage 9 years ago, the artist posts an anniversary pic every year at the beginning of June.
juanelric
Jul 31, 2020 10:40PM
Late reply but @Galim direct links to Sankaku unless you open them through the Sankaku post.
Galim
Aug 12, 2020 8:55PM
^ Huh. I don't know if anyone cares if I fix it since nobody seemed to like my......discussion, but I was honestly just trying to avoid showing Sankaku's bullshit by posting direct links to the images. It was the first place I could think of with few enough scruples that they post Fanbox artwork and the like.
GrimEater Jun 29, 2020 9:15PM
Stronk yuri
Givemeanaccount Jun 29, 2020 9:17PM
You can do it! Pick up your big titty, ripped as hell wife!
last edited at Jun 29, 2020 9:22PM
Clueless1 Jun 29, 2020 10:25PM
Second place!
Muscles were a bit a challenge to draw in, the bulbous boobs are a slight turn off (their suits shrank or they drank too much “Drink Me”—ok, I just finished “Alice in Wonderland”).
Throbelisk Jun 29, 2020 11:00PM
^ How dare you give our big tiddy married couple second place...
last edited at Jun 29, 2020 11:00PM
nio_neka Jun 29, 2020 11:18PM
awwww she's trying her best to carry her. XD
Dark_Tzitzimine Jun 30, 2020 12:49AM
FYI, we know their names now. DSG is named Sera/Sela and her wife is named Ursula.
Mimiyaah Jun 30, 2020 8:07AM
The struggle
juanelric Jun 30, 2020 9:56AM
@Dark_Tzitzimine oh nice
Drake Jun 30, 2020 12:30PM
Top wife tries to be strong wife.
Dark_Tzitzimine Jun 30, 2020 2:33PM
So, 23 posted two new pics that seem to confirm without of shadow of a doubt that Ursula is a futa.
last edited at Jun 30, 2020 2:37PM
Galim Jun 30, 2020 2:50PM
^ Nope. By the color, that's squirt, not semen, and the censor bar is covering DSG's clit rather than a dick. So only the position implies it, which could just as easily be explained as a strapless strap-on.
Trust me, I've been crusading against the idea that AG is a futa for a long time. Everything is always properly ambiguous (there's even a sketch post with a note on it that points out that AG's genitals are never visible, even though there're older posts where she clearly has a cameltoe) except for the old April Fool's post where the dick is clearly visible, which is, of course, April Fool's. It's not even the first time they've been in a position that clearly is meant to imply a dick without actually showing it, there're like half a dozen at least. Strapless strap-on is honestly the most consistent explanation.
Edit: Found the sketch (Was on Twitpic but...), so if anyone can read Japanese and confirm. It seems to be saying that she's drawn ambiguously so the artist doesn't have to censor it, but I can't be certain.
https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/1321248
Ahoge Girl with cameltoe while I'm at it.
https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/4073430
Note: Sankaku Complex is a hive of nutjobs and I do not condone their bullshit.
last edited at Aug 12, 2020 8:59PM
thechampionmike95 Jun 30, 2020 3:03PM
They do have a kid that's into futa. I've always saw it as a luke mother like daughter thing.
Galim Jun 30, 2020 3:08PM
^ And that's your right, my point was there has not been nor will there probably ever be a conclusive confirmation either way. Personally, my opinion is that futanari is a heinous, obnoxiously fetishized parody of representation that presents a scourge on lesbians, trans women, and intersex individuals.
last edited at Jun 30, 2020 4:33PM
hausenmaster Jun 30, 2020 7:05PM
@Galim wahh. People lke you are scary. extremism never solves anything.
Galim Jun 30, 2020 7:34PM
^ I said my opinion. That is all. I'm not going to fault anyone else for liking it. I'm not going to try and stop anyone from drawing it, because the odds of success are basically zero. It's a fetish thing. It's impossible to stop.
However, I will debate anyone who claims it to be positive representation for any of the groups I mentioned, and for this case I will present all evidence necessary to prove that there is no definitive proof of Ahoge Girl being a futanari, only repeated and deliberately ambiguous implications.
last edited at Jun 30, 2020 7:38PM
Throbelisk Jun 30, 2020 11:10PM
^ The only group futanari actually represent is hermaphrodites, so I'm not sure why you included lesbians and trans women. Leaving aside porn, which is supposed to be fetishistic in nature, can you really say that attempts like "Boku no Futatsu no Tsubasa" (the only non-hentai, serious representation of the subject I can think of) are negative to a group that has been marginalized throughout history?
To be clear, I don't care if either of this couple is supposed to be futanari or not, and I won't argue that point because they're so cute.
Galim Jun 30, 2020 11:59PM
^ Because despite the technical definition, futanari are almost always drawn without female genitalia, thereby making them resemble, and be mistaken for, pre-op trans women, to an extent that most western viewers don't appreciate the difference. The problem there is that they are inherently cis women with dicks, skewing the assumption of most trans women's ability to "pass" (Yes I know that's offensive, it's in quotes and I'm using it to make a point about perception) to toxic levels.
It affects lesbians because, well, think about the ratio of good, realistic lesbian porn to "Let's slap a dick on one of them without a second thought because it's more interesting that way".
Maybe some of the lesbian portion is my personal experience, being an intersex lesbian (CAIS, so you basically can't know unless I tell you). The first time someone called me a "futanari" to my face, I fucking slapped them.
The fact that they are almost exclusively represented in porn is the problem. You can't leave aside porn, because that's 99%. If there were more honest, serious attempts like the one you mentioned, yes, it could be a positive thing, but there aren't.
last edited at Jul 1, 2020 12:12AM
Chinro Jul 1, 2020 4:58AM
^
Personally, when I see futa sans penis I take it as it's own thing unless explicitly told otherwise, I would not put them in the same category as trains women.
I mean you can do stories with futa doing normal, everyday things but then their nature as futa don't really come into play. I suppose you could make it about how they might struggle or thrive with their nature.
last edited at Jul 1, 2020 4:58AM
Galim Jul 1, 2020 5:31AM
^ I'm saying futanari, a term that is effectively lost in translation and interpreted to mean "normal woman, except with a dick" is presented as being in the same category as trans women (Hentai Foundry, for example, uses a catch-all "TG" tag that includes futanari, intersex, and transgender) and sets unrealistic expectations of how "cis" trans women look. Sort of like casting a cis actor to play a trans character, and why that's frowned upon.
It's called respectful intersex representation. The same way you would try to represent any other LGBTQ+ character in your work.
P.S. Futa sans penis? I'm not sure what you mean, isn't that a regular woman? Did you mean futa sans vulva?
last edited at Jul 1, 2020 5:37AM
Throbelisk Jul 1, 2020 6:45AM
^ Not buying the whole "actors can't act like people they're not" bullshit, sorry. That's literally what acting is. And you have to disregard the futanari porn when talking about representation, because almost all porn is not necessarily representative of the people depicted in it. I think what you're seeing isn't a problem with negative views of futanari in serious works, but people unable to make the distinction between porn and real life. Which is an entirely different problem, and affects people no matter their sex or orientation.
Galim Jul 1, 2020 7:31AM
^ On the first point, just so you know, it's not a matter of actors acting like people they're not, it's actors being chosen to depict people they don't represent. Blackface is bad, right? Same thing, really, just more subtle.
On the second point, fair enough. I never claimed to have a problem with intersex representation outside of porn. There's still a problem, which is that the porn so vastly, overwhelming outnumbers anything else for futanari specifically in a way that simply doesn't happen anymore for any other portion of LGBTQ+. Yes, there's a lot of lesbian porn that's shitty and made for straight men, but the ratio of that to actual lesbian representation absolutely pales in comparison to futa porn versus any real intersex rep. That's why it's different. Most people will only encounter futanari porn because that's basically all there is.
last edited at Jul 1, 2020 7:43AM
Throbelisk Jul 1, 2020 8:04AM
^ You can't really compare a "straight" person portraying a member of the LGBT community to blackface. It's a completely different thing. One is an instantly-recognizable feature of someone's exterior body, and the other is the inside, which is the part that good actors excel at.
Galim Jul 1, 2020 8:10AM
^ In my original mention I was specifically talking about cis actors portraying trans characters, which is in fact, in most cases, a visible trait on the exterior body, as you put it, and which was also relevant to the comparison I was making at the time regarding the expectation of trans women to look perfectly cis.
I make no comment about straight actors playing gay characters or what have you.
last edited at Jul 1, 2020 8:11AM
Wanderer Jul 1, 2020 12:45PM
^Bro shut up, sorry but like no one cares about that. I just wanted to look at this pretty pic and see the funny/positive comments people put on it and you just spoiled my mood rotten. Who cares if it's futa or not? It literally does not make any form of detrimental impact on any of our lives. Just... Don't talk sometimes, the world can be a better place if you do that sometimes.
Xvnom Jul 2, 2020 12:42AM
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Servomoore Jul 2, 2020 2:13AM
Lifting from a kneeling position is for ab exercises.
Throbelisk Jul 2, 2020 7:51AM
^ Gotta maintain those amazing toned tummies.
zeffy101 Jul 3, 2020 12:52AM
when you try to act/be Top but fail miserably at it
Givemeanaccount Jul 3, 2020 8:35AM
^ Well, there have been times when she has been the top/assertive one, but she's clearly not strong enough to pick her wife up
thechampionmike95 Jul 3, 2020 9:45AM
Last one is my favorite since it's pre super enhanced boobs 23 art of them. The now is ok but they look much cuter back then.
kittey Jul 3, 2020 5:06PM
Technically not
Marriagebut9th wedding anniversary. Since their marriage 9 years ago, the artist posts an anniversary pic every year at the beginning of June.juanelric Jul 31, 2020 10:40PM
Late reply but @Galim direct links to Sankaku unless you open them through the Sankaku post.
Galim Aug 12, 2020 8:55PM
^ Huh. I don't know if anyone cares if I fix it since nobody seemed to like my......discussion, but I was honestly just trying to avoid showing Sankaku's bullshit by posting direct links to the images. It was the first place I could think of with few enough scruples that they post Fanbox artwork and the like.
Linterdiction Aug 19, 2020 12:15AM
^Leave it up you're out here speaking the truth
[deleted] Sep 5, 2021 2:36AM
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