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TctyaDDK Jun 5, 2020 8:50PM

Why the tag Transgender though? Ao is a tiny bit boyish when she's younger, but by the time of the series' main event, she is a normal girl.

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Givemeanaccount Jun 5, 2020 8:52PM

^ I assume it's because of the flag, wristband, button, and heart stickers she has that are in the color of the transgender flag

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Lilliwyt Jun 5, 2020 9:04PM

^ Yeah but that's a whole different to have the transgender flag and the character being transgender. I believe i saw on Reddit that's because the artist headcanon Aoi has transgender but i have found no real proof of that. Also mentioning that people think Aoi being trasngender is valid headcanon of the description of the show saying that Mira thought Aoi was a boy when she was younger. I have nothing against transgender and actual transgender representation is low so i'm ok that people headcanon some characters as such but saying it's valid only base on a bad assumption of a kid it's a bit farfetch.

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Nezchan Jun 5, 2020 9:33PM

What does it matter? The character is doing everything short of screaming "TRANS RIGHTS" so the tag is 100% justified. It's part of the subject matter of the pic.

And it's a bit rich complaining about headcanon and assumptions on a site loaded to the gills with lesbians who the source material either doesn't confirm or outright contradicts. So let's leave Farfetch to Pokémon, shall we?

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Lilliwyt Jun 5, 2020 10:02PM

^ Cheeky aren't you ? I just try give more info for Tctya who asking about the tag that's all. I never said the tag shouldn't be here. Also like i said, i had nothing against headcanon as long just keep it as headcanon. Saying it can be a valid headcanon based on a sentence of the synopsis is kinda an hairpull. People believe what they want to believe.

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Perlen297 Jun 6, 2020 12:17AM

I don't think anyone believes that it's a valid headcanon based solely on the synopsis. Oh btw, I might be the one you saw on reddit saying the synopsis thing. To clarify, I only mentioned that as just an assumption of mine on the possible reason why people would headcanon her as such.

Also, isn't that like the point of headcanons? It doesn't have do be based on anything. People can think of whatever headcanon they can think of. There's literally no such thing as "valid" nor "invalid" headcanon. I don't think anyone even said that it was a "valid heacanon".

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Sabruness Jun 6, 2020 2:36AM

and here i was just thinking she was a high level tomboy when she was younger. :P
Some headcanons can be quite... imaginative i see

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Sweet Dangus McGee Jun 6, 2020 2:45AM

i dont even know who these characters are but some of you gotta chill, reevaluate your relationships with trans folk if you're pulling out the thesaurus squirming about an artist depicting a character as trans.

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BV Jun 6, 2020 5:42AM

I didn't even watch or read Koisuru Asteroid, so I don't much care if the whole transgender is accurate. I was just summoned by the transgender tag.

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Throbelisk Jun 6, 2020 9:05AM

Headcanon is 100% subjective and personal, so no validity is required.

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Lilliwyt Jun 6, 2020 9:45AM

don't think anyone even said that it was a "valid heacanon".

Nothing personal really. No really,don't see that as a personal offence. I really have nothing peoples believing in headcanon,especially for something like Transgender that had so little canon.

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Perlen297 Jun 6, 2020 11:50AM

^ lol okay you got me on that one (actually I'm just really forgetful)

Still, though, when I said "valid headcanon" back then, I meant it as a way to say that I think it's okay for people to have that headcanon. In your comment, you seem to assume that "valid headcanon" means just simply "canon" or a serious reading/interpretation of one.

Literally almost no one is thinking that Aoi is trans solely based on the synopsis, nor out of anything from canon. If there is, it's a harmless headcanon, at best.

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Lilliwyt Jun 6, 2020 11:56AM

Unless your headcanon is some strange shit then it's ok to have it. Hell, even Mire being a lesbian here is technically an headcanon.

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Throbelisk Jun 6, 2020 1:00PM

^ What do you mean unless? If someone's headcanon is some strange shit, what exactly are you planning to do about it? And what right do you have to even try?

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yuri n wine Jun 8, 2020 3:25PM

Ignore the comments and just watch the anime. It’s a fluffy and gay slice of life show, these two are adorable together

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jaegermangenson Jul 3, 2020 8:53PM

no idea what anime this is just commented here because y'all are weirdos who can't just accept someone's trans headcanon without being like "oh but why is this tagged as transgender i don't think this character is trans so therefore they aren't" literally just shut up it's so annoying lmao

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Lilliwyt Jul 3, 2020 9:12PM

yet nobody say that so i don't see the point

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Valanz Jul 5, 2020 3:04AM

I don't know, if a person considers her/him/they are trans, then you know they are... But determinig if a non existing chatacter is... It is rather up to the author and/or the consensus of the fans to determine if it actually is...

Juste like art itself: it is one thing what the artist says the pice is about and another what the scholars decifer what it is really about.

Death of the artist and all that.

Soooooooooooo... I think... In theory... We could like, vote to achieve a consensus after studying the matirial and the opinion of the author... Or whatever, juste saying, its a sugested tag of a fictional character on a small community of English speakers... Nothing will come out of whatever...

We are all going to die so that's that.

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Valanz Jul 5, 2020 3:05AM

Don't give me a platform. XD

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porurun Jan 20, 2021 9:16PM

cuties :D

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AstolfoCheshire Jan 9, 2022 1:53AM

Cute is cute

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Fabriciemartines Apr 4, 2025 9:02AM

jaegermangenson, Just use logic, what are the chances of the Japanese making a trans character? Practically 0, and on top of that they didn't even mention it in the series, I highly doubt she's trans.

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Fabriciemartines Apr 4, 2025 9:14AM
  1. The tomboy-being-mistaken-for-a-boy joke is a standard trope:
    Almost every yuri work that features a more butch or tomboy character includes at least one joke where someone mistakes her for a boy — especially when they’re kids. That doesn’t mean the character is trans; it’s just a comedic device or a way to show contrast between her and the more feminine character. It’s a very common trope, and within the logic of manga culture, it’s not a sign of gender identity.

  2. The chance of the character actually being trans is small, considering Japan:
    Japan is still very conservative when it comes to gender identity and sexuality in mainstream media. There are exceptions, of course, but well-represented trans characters in mainstream manga (not explicitly LGBTQ+ niche ones) are extremely rare. Most of the time when Japan tackles this kind of topic, it’s with stereotypes or in a comedic tone.

  3. Guys, she's a person of about 15 years old...

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BV Apr 4, 2025 9:34AM

And how is 3. relevant to your argument exactly?

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Fabriciemartines Apr 4, 2025 9:52AM

"3." wasn't part of the logical argument, just a reminder of context. People sometimes build whole headcanons or debates around characters without realizing they're talking about a literal 15-year-old In a light and cute anime. Whether it's about gender identity or romantic dynamics, it's worth remembering we're discussing a fictional teenager — not an adult with fully formed identity or clear narrative intentions behind every trait.

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girlswhokiss Apr 4, 2025 10:01AM

Are you so bothered by trans women you had to reply to a five years old discussion? There aren't a lot compared to characters that are cis, but characters that are openly or implied to be trans do exist in japanese media and you just have to look for them, or do you think that trans people "only exist in the west"? Did you somehow miss on the entire Bridget Guilty Gear situation?
You probably never bothered to look for any work with trans people, and yet you're here talking about things you don't know anything about. You probably don't even know the difference between transmasc and transfem and is talking under the assumption the artist is saying that Ao is a trans man instead of a trans woman, lol.

  1. Guys, she's a person of about 15 years old...

Stupid argument, I knew there was something wrong with me as a kid before I even knew about the existence of puberty, just not what it was. People can figure it out during any stage of their lives, childhood included.
Many of us trans people know and feel that we're different but it's people like you who shut us down and force us to remain cis by making it as difficult as possible for us to transition or even consider that possibility, giving multiple excuses like we're too young to know or aren't thinking properly because we have mental issues caused and/or worsened by your kind.

People are more than allowed to headcanon characters they like as transfem, especially if they can relate to them and see their own experiences in them no matter how simple they are.

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Fabriciemartines Apr 4, 2025 10:07AM

I understand, and honestly, I respect your experience and what you shared. But just to be clear: no one here is saying that trans people don’t exist or don’t deserve representation — quite the opposite. The point is that in this specific case, we’re talking about a light, cute anime that never directly touches on gender identity or politic.

You yourself said it’s a headcanon, and that’s totally fine — everyone can relate to characters in their own way. I just think it’s important to separate that kind of personal interpretation from what’s actually in the source material. The character is 15 and exists in a setting with no hints in that direction, so when these kinds of heated debates come up, it feels more like individual projection than an analysis of the author’s intent.

Wow, did I really relive a 5 year old beef? Congrats to me... I think

Oh, and just to reinforce, I was talking about trans characters in Japanese media, not in real life.

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Fabriciemartines Apr 4, 2025 10:15AM

And just to be honest, I’m a 19-year-old virgin guy who’s never even really fallen in love — but lately, I’ve been catching myself thinking things like “damn, I really don’t like this body, it frustrates me.” I often wonder what it would be like if I were a lesbian. My usernames in games are always feminine... So I keep asking myself: am I on the path to discovering that I’m trans? I don’t know. Maybe. I’m just trying to make sense of these feelings.

Sorry if I stressed you out again, but I don't want to discuss this anymore.

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girlswhokiss Apr 4, 2025 10:34AM

No, I am sorry for being rude too, I assumed you were trying to act innocent because often people do that when they mean something else entirely, but you are being fed a narrative that harms trans people, especially trans women, and is harming you yourself as you've made it clear with this reply.

If your body is bothering you, if you hate the idea of being a man, if you're constantly feeling jealous of lesbians, longing something they have that you think you'll never have, thinking that it would be easier if you were "born a girl", if you feel incredibly uncomfortable being put together with men, then truly there's something you need to think about. Consider how you'd feel being treated as a girl and starting HRT, I'm not transfem myself so I won't be able to help with more specific personal things, but there are some resources available online.
https://transfemscience.org/
https://diyhrt.wiki/

You don't have to be a guy if it's only causing you pain, and if you are who I think you are, your posts did hint on there being something deeper going on, so I'm wishing you the best, and if it does turn out that you are a girl, never forget that no matter what you were born as or what people want you to be, you are a girl, and nobody can change that fact. You don't need a deep reason for it, all that matters is that you think you'd be happier as a woman or anything adjacent to it, that you'd be happier being a woman together with another woman.

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Fabriciemartines Apr 4, 2025 10:41AM

Thank you for the help and advice, but I don't know if I have the courage to ask people to treat me like a girl. I think they would just laugh at me. I need to think more about all of this, understand what I am and how I truly feel. Either way, thank you.

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girlswhokiss Apr 4, 2025 11:10AM

No problem, I'm sorry again for assuming the worst.

I'm sorry about that, people are incredibly cruel towards trans women, so it's inevitable you'll lose some people in your life when they find out you're trans. It's not easy, it can be dangerous, and you might not be in a safe spot in your life to currently to even transition, and people do heavily discriminate transfem people in lots of contexts, but you being yourself is more important than anything, and for as long as you live, you can transition even if you need to work towards it first. It'll never be too late to be yourself.

There are people who will love you for who you are, who will respect the fact that you are a woman, who will love you as a woman loving another woman, who won't be afraid to call you their girlfriend, their sister... anything you prefer, so never settle for people who won't respect that and try to make you live as someone you are not because they put themselves above you. Not talking only about romantic partners, but friendship too.

Take all the time you need to figure things out, and if it turns out you're a girl, then go for it! Your happiness matters the most, you don't need to let pain decide things for you.

(E se você for brasileira, pode valer a pena procurar um ambulatório trans na tua cidade ou guias de terapia hormonal em PTBR, muita boneca aqui usa PERLUTAN inclusive. Infelizmente muito médico não sabe medicar dosagens boas, então é bom falar com outras mulheres trans para evitar problema)

We've strayed from the image in question, but I do hope that one day you can too find joy in those little things, because it can feel pretty nice to see others like you even when it's not something explicitly stated, or something you decided to headcanon yourself.

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juanelric Apr 4, 2025 1:20PM

I arrived too late to the discussion, but Japanese authors do absolutely create trans characters. Unfortunately transphobic fans either treat them as femboys or as mentally ill.
https://gbf.wiki/Cagliostro

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