Reminds me of the comic with Shami's birthday. Momo relies on Shamiko's somewhat shady coworker to pick a present Shamiko would like, and the coworker suggest Momo show up dressed sharply with a bouquet of red roses, pick one and give it to Shamiko saying "Happy Birthday, my Shadow Mistress". Momo dismisses the idea believing she was being trolled, but the coworker sincerely thought that'd make her the happiest" It kind of ended up happening through author's tweeted image, though.
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katewarner
Nov 5, 2019 12:26AM
^ It's hard for Momo to trust Riko, and that's wise, but Foxey has Shamiko's interests at heart. Momo needs to know when to listen carefully to her.
bubuu
Nov 5, 2019 12:34AM
Are there no doujins of this series? I like these comic stripes very much, but since they are only one page long, its never statsifying.
Reiba1925
Nov 5, 2019 1:31AM
If only Momo dont was a cowardly tsundere...
@blopa the best part of that was How Lico gave a rose to Shamiko in front of momo, while Momo, only could limit to see frustrated how Shamiko commented how cool Lico looked, flatterings that she would have received if only she had listened to Lico. That for me is still the most painful and at the same time fun "dont think this mean youve won" of MM.
@Nad Komeiji
without take in count some hentais, exist a douijunshi made by Nao (70_pocky) that takes place after the series and focuses in the adult life (couple life) of Momo and Shamiko, but it has not been translate. https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/63243029
last edited at Nov 5, 2019 4:25AM
Diclonius
Nov 5, 2019 3:16AM
Eh, so many good MomoShami arts, and so few translations. This is sad, i need more(
BugDevil
Nov 5, 2019 5:57AM
Oho, my second favorite fanart. Whoever requests these has good taste.
@Diclonius The sad thing is that a lot of the fanart gets translated on /a/ and other places, but they don't spread outside there, so only a select few have those translated pics.
Unless you meant the scanlation of the actual manga, which is actually progressing pretty steadily compared to most I've seen.
Jeanne Mathison
Nov 5, 2019 8:58AM
Looks like a Halloween prank gone wrong (or totes right, depending on how you look at it)
katewarner
Nov 5, 2019 10:17AM
^^^^ I don't think it's fair to call Momo a cowardly tsundere. She's just a teenager experiencing first love. A 17 year-old (?) orphaned war veteran, socially out of joint in the first place, who finds first love with (1) a girl and (2) a demon. She's afraid to show her cards romantically and, like almost everyone else, gets caught up in others succeeding where she chose to fail, as with Mikan and Shamiko chatting and the rose incident.
With Foxey, it's a real predicament, because only loyalty to Sakura and Shamiko and a precarious living situation keeps Foxey merely pranking Momo rather than moving toward killing her. Trusting Foxey about anything would be stupid, on Momo's part.
Plus, her real overtures to Shamiko (like the pitiful first date) have fallen into the Oblivion Ocean.
All in all, though, Momo is exactly like most other people when it comes to love. Inept, defensive, vulnerable, confused. And she's in love with an adorable moron who insists on calling her an "enemy" whenever intimacy is too close.
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BugDevil
Nov 5, 2019 10:30AM
^Momo is 15, believe it or not. Shamiko is actually half a year older than her and turned 16 first.
I think you peg Riko completely wrong. She is amoral to the core, but she actually likes Momo. That's why she is so supportive and nice to her. If Riko doesn't like someone she wouldn't hesitate a moment to show it. If she wants to kill someone she would have little hesitation to do so. Momo's caution is absolutely correct, especially because of Riko`s pranks though.
I don't necessarily disagree with your point that Momo's actions are understandable and not too abnormal, but calling her a tsundere and a coward are not wrong at all either. She really is like that. Her inability to be honest with others about her feelings impedes her at every turn. Shamiko is the typical tsundere who can't be honest with herself (hence why she calls Momo an enemy), but Momo knows about her own feelings and acts like an outward tsundere who puts up walls. She also has real control issues (usually dramatized with funny things like installing GPS in Shamiko's stuff etc.). She can't stand the idea of doing something overly risky that could break the status quo. Momo confessed to Shamiko and yet she immediately backtracked. She was hopeful that Shamiko would confess to her and is basically putting all the effort on our precious goat's shoulders, because she can't step out of her comfort zone unless she is certain Shamiko feels the same way. I can't call that anything but cowardly. Someone who is this obsessed and emotionally dependent should not be running away. Everyone in the damn cast knows how Momo feels at this point and it's obvious she would not have to fret and squirm anymore if she just was honest too.
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katewarner
Nov 5, 2019 10:50AM
^ I have a different threshold of judgment for cowardice, I guess. Seems to me that if Momo really was a coward, she'd find reasons not to keep in contact with Shamiko at all, all things taken into consideration. Cowardice is more of an umbrella term. Momo is just counter-productively timid and defensive, but maybe that's a definition for tsundere. She has few resources for courage and uses the ones she has badly, but I don't think that's the same as cowardice. I used to think it was.
As for Foxey, Momo doesn't know that she's at all worthy of trust. Foxey (Liko/Riko/Reeko/Leeko/Leekoh) trolls in a way that's inscrutable for Momo. I do think she's one of the best things that's happened to Momo, in terms of expanding understanding of the world outside of her sad little world.
As for Momo's age, Holy Crap. She was in early childhood when she became a magical girl. What misery.
Truth be told, I'm not equipped to argue these things in an absolute sense. I'm just going from my reading. The love and lore goes deeper than I dig.
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BugDevil
Nov 5, 2019 11:14AM
^That's unreasonable to say the least. She decided that she would protect Shamiko and the city and wouldn't even be able to abandon her even if she wanted to, because of Sakura's core. Momo is not a coward in that sense.
But if you feel a certain way about someone and constantly feel stressed out and jealous because of uncertainty and perceived competition and know that you and the other person would feel better if you laid it all open... but then don't do it out of fear or a lacking strength of will, then yes, I would call that cowardice.
I get Momo's view on Riko. I was only refuting that Riko was holding back/being nice to Momo because of outside pressure or loyalty to others. She has literally no intention to harm Momo in any way, because she likes her. You will see later on how she acts when she actually wants to harm someone.
Momo was 3 years old when Sakura adopted her and she was 5 when she became a Magical Girl.
last edited at Nov 5, 2019 11:14AM
katewarner
Nov 5, 2019 11:28AM
^ I'm actually falling in love with Foxey (so Riko is the current name?). She reminds me of my third girlfriend, who was a riot.
This series sometimes brings tears to my eyes in the ways it shows how people in tiny, mundane interactions try to stop the ancient war. It's a long damned time since Babylon.
It would be nice if Momo would take more chances and Shamiko would stop this "mortal enemy" crap. They strike me as a couple who won't get together until they're in imminent danger of losing each other.
Momo becoming a magical girl at 5 was a tragedy. Poor thing.
last edited at Nov 5, 2019 11:53AM
Diclonius
Nov 5, 2019 11:30AM
@BugDevil, first one. I meant all those arts on danbooru. Especially Mokoneko-san's and Shima16bit's 4koma.
@katewarner My condolences... that is not someone I would want to be in a relationship with. Probably because you underestimate Riko.
You got Sakura to thank for all of this peace.
@Diclonius
Those fanarts are taken from Twitter and Pixiv of course. And yes, most of those were translated at some point.
Lilliwyt
Nov 5, 2019 2:28PM
Although, I think we all agree that Riko sounds better
That's like your opinion, please don't make it a general truth. I actually like Lico as a name and it's not like it's a mistranslation, it's the actual name use by the author so i don't know how to feel when someone said that the name the author choose is bad.
Mimiyaah
Nov 5, 2019 2:42PM
So cute
Reiba1925
Nov 5, 2019 3:44PM
@Lilliwyt
??? I said "I think". I never said that my opinion was the absolute truth or that Lico is a bad name. I only was saying I prefer Riko over Lico and that I think that is the general opinion (no absolute). I said that last part because the majority of comments that I saw before are agree with Riko is better that Lico. Of course, if you prefer Lico, that dont have nothing wrong and I dont have ploblems with that ;). In fact, I use Lico ever because I know that is the oficcial name.
edit: Seeing again my past comment... maybe I should have writte "I think what the majority" over "I think we all"... yes, I should have redact it better :,( sorry for the misunderstad.
last edited at Nov 5, 2019 7:16PM
Mai Kitty
Nov 5, 2019 3:50PM
smooth move momo
BugDevil
Nov 5, 2019 5:07PM
@Lilliwyt
Hilariously, "Lico" is not an actual Chinese name, while Riko and even Rico are. It is blindingly obvious that Izumo Itou fell victim to the usual problem Japanese people have with the "R/L" situation in romanization (the Japanese characters just say "Riko", but L and R are basically interchangable). The reason Lico sounds bad is that it's not a real name and the reason it was even used is very likely a mistake.
Maximus66
Nov 5, 2019 5:20PM
Lico-kun is totally fine. If mangaka put it that way.
Same problem was with certain West fansubbers forcing name LAURA instead of genuine ROLA in Aikatsu series.
Flanny
Nov 5, 2019 6:17PM
^They did the same thing with the MC in "Kenshi o Mezashite Nyūgaku Shitanoni Mahō Tekisei 9999 Nandesukedo!?" after a few chapters because they thought it was better in that way...
At least for me, it's weird to read Laura instead of the usual Rola from the first chapters-
Givemeanaccount Nov 4, 2019 9:52PM
Aikawa Ryou doing Momo x Yuuko? Yes
GrimEater Nov 4, 2019 9:53PM
Corrupt little girls
Lilliwyt Nov 4, 2019 9:56PM
There never enough ShamiMomo
Azero25 Nov 4, 2019 10:49PM
her tail is showing her emotions
HazmatChiefAlsimi Nov 5, 2019 12:12AM
Should be the canon ending if you ask me.
blopa Nov 5, 2019 12:14AM
Reminds me of the comic with Shami's birthday. Momo relies on Shamiko's somewhat shady coworker to pick a present Shamiko would like, and the coworker suggest Momo show up dressed sharply with a bouquet of red roses, pick one and give it to Shamiko saying "Happy Birthday, my Shadow Mistress". Momo dismisses the idea believing she was being trolled, but the coworker sincerely thought that'd make her the happiest" It kind of ended up happening through author's tweeted image, though.
last edited at Nov 5, 2019 12:24AM
katewarner Nov 5, 2019 12:26AM
^ It's hard for Momo to trust Riko, and that's wise, but Foxey has Shamiko's interests at heart. Momo needs to know when to listen carefully to her.
bubuu Nov 5, 2019 12:34AM
Are there no doujins of this series? I like these comic stripes very much, but since they are only one page long, its never statsifying.
Reiba1925 Nov 5, 2019 1:31AM
If only Momo dont was a cowardly tsundere...
@blopa the best part of that was How Lico gave a rose to Shamiko in front of momo, while Momo, only could limit to see frustrated how Shamiko commented how cool Lico looked, flatterings that she would have received if only she had listened to Lico. That for me is still the most painful and at the same time fun "dont think this mean youve won" of MM.
@Nad Komeiji
without take in count some hentais, exist a douijunshi made by Nao (70_pocky) that takes place after the series and focuses in the adult life (couple life) of Momo and Shamiko, but it has not been translate. https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/63243029
last edited at Nov 5, 2019 4:25AM
Diclonius Nov 5, 2019 3:16AM
Eh, so many good MomoShami arts, and so few translations. This is sad, i need more(
BugDevil Nov 5, 2019 5:57AM
Oho, my second favorite fanart. Whoever requests these has good taste.
@Diclonius The sad thing is that a lot of the fanart gets translated on /a/ and other places, but they don't spread outside there, so only a select few have those translated pics.
Unless you meant the scanlation of the actual manga, which is actually progressing pretty steadily compared to most I've seen.
Jeanne Mathison Nov 5, 2019 8:58AM
Looks like a Halloween prank gone wrong (or totes right, depending on how you look at it)
katewarner Nov 5, 2019 10:17AM
^^^^ I don't think it's fair to call Momo a cowardly tsundere. She's just a teenager experiencing first love. A 17 year-old (?) orphaned war veteran, socially out of joint in the first place, who finds first love with (1) a girl and (2) a demon. She's afraid to show her cards romantically and, like almost everyone else, gets caught up in others succeeding where she chose to fail, as with Mikan and Shamiko chatting and the rose incident.
With Foxey, it's a real predicament, because only loyalty to Sakura and Shamiko and a precarious living situation keeps Foxey merely pranking Momo rather than moving toward killing her. Trusting Foxey about anything would be stupid, on Momo's part.
Plus, her real overtures to Shamiko (like the pitiful first date) have fallen into the Oblivion Ocean.
All in all, though, Momo is exactly like most other people when it comes to love. Inept, defensive, vulnerable, confused. And she's in love with an adorable moron who insists on calling her an "enemy" whenever intimacy is too close.
last edited at Nov 5, 2019 10:18AM
BugDevil Nov 5, 2019 10:30AM
^Momo is 15, believe it or not. Shamiko is actually half a year older than her and turned 16 first.
I think you peg Riko completely wrong. She is amoral to the core, but she actually likes Momo. That's why she is so supportive and nice to her. If Riko doesn't like someone she wouldn't hesitate a moment to show it. If she wants to kill someone she would have little hesitation to do so. Momo's caution is absolutely correct, especially because of Riko`s pranks though.
I don't necessarily disagree with your point that Momo's actions are understandable and not too abnormal, but calling her a tsundere and a coward are not wrong at all either. She really is like that. Her inability to be honest with others about her feelings impedes her at every turn. Shamiko is the typical tsundere who can't be honest with herself (hence why she calls Momo an enemy), but Momo knows about her own feelings and acts like an outward tsundere who puts up walls. She also has real control issues (usually dramatized with funny things like installing GPS in Shamiko's stuff etc.). She can't stand the idea of doing something overly risky that could break the status quo. Momo confessed to Shamiko and yet she immediately backtracked. She was hopeful that Shamiko would confess to her and is basically putting all the effort on our precious goat's shoulders, because she can't step out of her comfort zone unless she is certain Shamiko feels the same way. I can't call that anything but cowardly. Someone who is this obsessed and emotionally dependent should not be running away. Everyone in the damn cast knows how Momo feels at this point and it's obvious she would not have to fret and squirm anymore if she just was honest too.
last edited at Nov 5, 2019 10:38AM
katewarner Nov 5, 2019 10:50AM
^ I have a different threshold of judgment for cowardice, I guess. Seems to me that if Momo really was a coward, she'd find reasons not to keep in contact with Shamiko at all, all things taken into consideration. Cowardice is more of an umbrella term. Momo is just counter-productively timid and defensive, but maybe that's a definition for tsundere. She has few resources for courage and uses the ones she has badly, but I don't think that's the same as cowardice. I used to think it was.
As for Foxey, Momo doesn't know that she's at all worthy of trust. Foxey (Liko/Riko/Reeko/Leeko/Leekoh) trolls in a way that's inscrutable for Momo. I do think she's one of the best things that's happened to Momo, in terms of expanding understanding of the world outside of her sad little world.
As for Momo's age, Holy Crap. She was in early childhood when she became a magical girl. What misery.
Truth be told, I'm not equipped to argue these things in an absolute sense. I'm just going from my reading. The love and lore goes deeper than I dig.
last edited at Nov 5, 2019 11:12AM
BugDevil Nov 5, 2019 11:14AM
^That's unreasonable to say the least. She decided that she would protect Shamiko and the city and wouldn't even be able to abandon her even if she wanted to, because of Sakura's core. Momo is not a coward in that sense.
But if you feel a certain way about someone and constantly feel stressed out and jealous because of uncertainty and perceived competition and know that you and the other person would feel better if you laid it all open... but then don't do it out of fear or a lacking strength of will, then yes, I would call that cowardice.
I get Momo's view on Riko. I was only refuting that Riko was holding back/being nice to Momo because of outside pressure or loyalty to others. She has literally no intention to harm Momo in any way, because she likes her. You will see later on how she acts when she actually wants to harm someone.
Momo was 3 years old when Sakura adopted her and she was 5 when she became a Magical Girl.
last edited at Nov 5, 2019 11:14AM
katewarner Nov 5, 2019 11:28AM
^ I'm actually falling in love with Foxey (so Riko is the current name?). She reminds me of my third girlfriend, who was a riot.
This series sometimes brings tears to my eyes in the ways it shows how people in tiny, mundane interactions try to stop the ancient war. It's a long damned time since Babylon.
It would be nice if Momo would take more chances and Shamiko would stop this "mortal enemy" crap. They strike me as a couple who won't get together until they're in imminent danger of losing each other.
Momo becoming a magical girl at 5 was a tragedy. Poor thing.
last edited at Nov 5, 2019 11:53AM
Diclonius Nov 5, 2019 11:30AM
@BugDevil, first one. I meant all those arts on danbooru. Especially Mokoneko-san's and Shima16bit's 4koma.
Reiba1925 Nov 5, 2019 12:47PM
@katewarner
Her official name is Lico. At least is the name that Ito use for her in the prologue of volume 4. https://s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/a/image/1568/50/1568500162595.jpg Although, I think we all agree that Riko sounds better
last edited at Nov 5, 2019 1:22PM
BugDevil Nov 5, 2019 2:23PM
@katewarner My condolences... that is not someone I would want to be in a relationship with. Probably because you underestimate Riko.
You got Sakura to thank for all of this peace.
@Diclonius
Those fanarts are taken from Twitter and Pixiv of course. And yes, most of those were translated at some point.
Lilliwyt Nov 5, 2019 2:28PM
That's like your opinion, please don't make it a general truth. I actually like Lico as a name and it's not like it's a mistranslation, it's the actual name use by the author so i don't know how to feel when someone said that the name the author choose is bad.
Mimiyaah Nov 5, 2019 2:42PM
So cute
Reiba1925 Nov 5, 2019 3:44PM
@Lilliwyt
??? I said "I think". I never said that my opinion was the absolute truth or that Lico is a bad name. I only was saying I prefer Riko over Lico and that I think that is the general opinion (no absolute). I said that last part because the majority of comments that I saw before are agree with Riko is better that Lico. Of course, if you prefer Lico, that dont have nothing wrong and I dont have ploblems with that ;). In fact, I use Lico ever because I know that is the oficcial name.
edit: Seeing again my past comment... maybe I should have writte "I think what the majority" over "I think we all"... yes, I should have redact it better :,( sorry for the misunderstad.
last edited at Nov 5, 2019 7:16PM
Mai Kitty Nov 5, 2019 3:50PM
smooth move momo
BugDevil Nov 5, 2019 5:07PM
@Lilliwyt
Hilariously, "Lico" is not an actual Chinese name, while Riko and even Rico are. It is blindingly obvious that Izumo Itou fell victim to the usual problem Japanese people have with the "R/L" situation in romanization (the Japanese characters just say "Riko", but L and R are basically interchangable). The reason Lico sounds bad is that it's not a real name and the reason it was even used is very likely a mistake.
Maximus66 Nov 5, 2019 5:20PM
Lico-kun is totally fine. If mangaka put it that way.
Same problem was with certain West fansubbers forcing name LAURA instead of genuine ROLA in Aikatsu series.
Flanny Nov 5, 2019 6:17PM
^They did the same thing with the MC in "Kenshi o Mezashite Nyūgaku Shitanoni Mahō Tekisei 9999 Nandesukedo!?" after a few chapters because they thought it was better in that way...
At least for me, it's weird to read Laura instead of the usual Rola from the first chapters-
Xvnom Dec 25, 2019 3:13PM
xD