couldn't help but think love lift us up where we beloooong where the eagles fly
Shadowofdimentio
Sep 14, 2019 3:20PM
Ah, a cut knee. Truly an emergency
Kirin
Oct 17, 2020 12:30PM
We need more girls in naval outfits and admiral hats. 75% of the planet is water, so why are only 0.03% of girls in fiction sailors? It's a glaring injustice.
random
Oct 17, 2020 9:26PM
^it might of be relevant that until very recently women were straight up not allowed to become sailors at all. Mom's lowkey salty about that because as a kid she wanted to.
While that's changed now (depending on locale obv) the military in general is still overwhelmingly a male occupation and in any case career progression takes time, doubly so in peacetime, so it'll be a long time before you start seeing meaningful numbers of women in senior posts.
And obviously they aren't going to be any younger than male colleagues advancing that far either, anyway.
Kirin
Oct 18, 2020 12:54AM
^ That's an interesting point. I was focusing more on a fictional perspective, because you get tons of female knights and stuff in stories, even though historically, I'm guessing virtually all knights were male. Fantasy and fiction remove the need for accuracy, so ultimately it's more about the aesthetic than anything else.
The lack of sailors might just come from sailors being underrepresented in fiction in general. I guess the modern age is so full of conveniences that most people don't really get how momentous it was to sail into the unknown seas in search of new land. Plus, a lot of spaceship-oriented sci-fi scratches that itch, and allows you to dodge around technicalities with stuff like warp engines, while in a story about sailors, you'd have to bring in actual nautical terminology, which is too esoteric for most people to care about.
The closest I've seen to sailor rep is the pirate fiction genre, and even that's more about the thrill of rebellion than anything related to the ocean or sailing in particular. One Piece isn't known for it's accuracy, and stuff like Azur Lane and Kancolle revolve more around the player's self-insert making decisions than the women themselves operating as sailors.
Which ties back into my original point about how we desperately need more sailor rep, whether it's hyper-realistic or even relatively fantastical. You'd think Japan would be more into it, considering that they made the sailor fuku a mandatory school uniform for about half a century.
random
Oct 18, 2020 1:13AM
^tbf...
"1335: The Scots defeat a company led by the Count of Namur. Amongst the Count's casualties was a female lancer who had killed her opponent, Richard Shaw, at the same moment that he had killed her. Her gender was only discovered when the bodies were being stripped of their armor at the end of the engagement. "The chronicler Bower seems to have been at least as impressed by the rarity of two mounted soldiers simultaneously transfixing one another with their lances as with the fact that one of them was a woman.""
- Wiki
Definitely rare but not completely unheard-of.
As far as KanCo and Azur go, well, those gals are ships (or the spirits thereof or whatever) which obviously rather removes the whole hog of actually operating what were the most complex machinery agglomerations devised by mankind at the time. Goes well with both Shinto's shamanistic "spirits, spirits everywhere" aspect and the fact that in at least all (gendered) European languages naval vessels are referred to as female (unless it's the Bismarck and Cpt. Lindemann talking).
drpepperfan Sep 13, 2019 9:45PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4c26KQ600o
Throbelisk Sep 14, 2019 11:23AM
cute
Aquwin Sep 14, 2019 1:04PM
couldn't help but think love lift us up where we beloooong where the eagles fly
Shadowofdimentio Sep 14, 2019 3:20PM
Ah, a cut knee. Truly an emergency
Kirin Oct 17, 2020 12:30PM
We need more girls in naval outfits and admiral hats. 75% of the planet is water, so why are only 0.03% of girls in fiction sailors? It's a glaring injustice.
random Oct 17, 2020 9:26PM
^it might of be relevant that until very recently women were straight up not allowed to become sailors at all. Mom's lowkey salty about that because as a kid she wanted to.
While that's changed now (depending on locale obv) the military in general is still overwhelmingly a male occupation and in any case career progression takes time, doubly so in peacetime, so it'll be a long time before you start seeing meaningful numbers of women in senior posts.
And obviously they aren't going to be any younger than male colleagues advancing that far either, anyway.
Kirin Oct 18, 2020 12:54AM
^ That's an interesting point. I was focusing more on a fictional perspective, because you get tons of female knights and stuff in stories, even though historically, I'm guessing virtually all knights were male. Fantasy and fiction remove the need for accuracy, so ultimately it's more about the aesthetic than anything else.
The lack of sailors might just come from sailors being underrepresented in fiction in general. I guess the modern age is so full of conveniences that most people don't really get how momentous it was to sail into the unknown seas in search of new land. Plus, a lot of spaceship-oriented sci-fi scratches that itch, and allows you to dodge around technicalities with stuff like warp engines, while in a story about sailors, you'd have to bring in actual nautical terminology, which is too esoteric for most people to care about.
The closest I've seen to sailor rep is the pirate fiction genre, and even that's more about the thrill of rebellion than anything related to the ocean or sailing in particular. One Piece isn't known for it's accuracy, and stuff like Azur Lane and Kancolle revolve more around the player's self-insert making decisions than the women themselves operating as sailors.
Which ties back into my original point about how we desperately need more sailor rep, whether it's hyper-realistic or even relatively fantastical. You'd think Japan would be more into it, considering that they made the sailor fuku a mandatory school uniform for about half a century.
random Oct 18, 2020 1:13AM
^tbf...
"1335: The Scots defeat a company led by the Count of Namur. Amongst the Count's casualties was a female lancer who had killed her opponent, Richard Shaw, at the same moment that he had killed her. Her gender was only discovered when the bodies were being stripped of their armor at the end of the engagement. "The chronicler Bower seems to have been at least as impressed by the rarity of two mounted soldiers simultaneously transfixing one another with their lances as with the fact that one of them was a woman.""
- Wiki
Definitely rare but not completely unheard-of.
As far as KanCo and Azur go, well, those gals are ships (or the spirits thereof or whatever) which obviously rather removes the whole hog of actually operating what were the most complex machinery agglomerations devised by mankind at the time. Goes well with both Shinto's shamanistic "spirits, spirits everywhere" aspect and the fact that in at least all (gendered) European languages naval vessels are referred to as female (unless it's the Bismarck and Cpt. Lindemann talking).
The seifuku is something the Japanese (and Philippinese) first copied from period Western children's fashion in the 1800s actually.