I can't see them as a ship, but they're fun to watch together.
Hollows
Mar 16, 2019 11:21PM
I can't see them as a ship, but they're fun to watch together.
I'm still rooting for the polyamory harem end. So I like this.
REDflame23
Mar 16, 2019 11:21PM
^^I get that.
REDflame23
Mar 16, 2019 11:23PM
I'm still rooting for the polyamory harem end. So I like this.
Rooting for the content with sharing harem (often bickering).
Qwertre09
Mar 17, 2019 12:11AM
They make a nice combo though, with Nemo being pushy yet respectful and Yuri being aloof yet permissive.
Kisa
Mar 17, 2019 3:36AM
I think they could become great friends, what with Nemo always wiling to probe Yuri’s thoughts and feelings, and Yuri looking to one up Nemo when the two of them come into direct contact over something,( Kuroki, ping pong, etc..).
BugDevil
Mar 17, 2019 4:26AM
Never do harems, that's the worst possible outcome.
This pairing has potential, though not in canon.
Azero25
Mar 17, 2019 5:05AM
considering how often they compete over her, I can see this as a ship
Snowave
Mar 17, 2019 9:42AM
H E R E T I C
REDflame23
Mar 17, 2019 11:05AM
BugDevil Not here.
random
Mar 17, 2019 11:21AM
@Kisa They do both have a pointlessly competitive streak; and Yuri, true to form, doesn't necessarily inform the other party a race's on in the first place...
BugDevil
Mar 17, 2019 12:01PM
@REDflame23 It's fine as a joke, but if you actually seriously want a harem end for this you have no idea what you are talking about. That's a terrible idea.
Hollows
Mar 17, 2019 3:51PM
@BugDevil Why not just save the disappointment of rejecting someone and harem end it all?
last edited at Mar 17, 2019 3:55PM
katewarner
Mar 17, 2019 4:02PM
What they are actually exactly like is sisters.
BugDevil
Mar 17, 2019 4:03PM
@Hollows
Because I actually care about the characters. Harems are unstable, toxic and can't last. Additionally most of these girls are the type that doesn't want to share (which is completely normal and legitimate mind you). A harem, especially with this many members, means Tomoko has to divide attention and affection far too much, which leads back to the toxicity and envy route. Harems are simply not an option when all partners are supposed to be equal. It only works in some Sultan's harem of concubines, because they are basically commodities and have no rights.
In short: Rather one painful disappointment than a long stretch of pain.
last edited at Mar 17, 2019 4:04PM
SushiKnight
Mar 17, 2019 4:49PM
I mean, everyone being the type that doesn't want to share is par for the course when it comes to harem garbage. It's what those stories rely on to keep readers interested. Reminds me of this.
last edited at Mar 17, 2019 4:49PM
Hollows
Mar 17, 2019 6:03PM
@BugDevil Why would you presume that all harems have to be toxic? I can understand you if you were speaking empirically, but I like my yuri fluffy and light-hearted. And if I see a bunch of giris competing for one girl's attention, I heavily lean towards a harem barring some "pair the spares" type of situation.
One of the first yuri manga I've read on this site was this one, and I just loved how light-hearted and happy it was. Not to mention there's this threesome here which is also pretty good. Not to mention there's that YuriWhale picture of Tomoko's harem a while back.
Basically, instead of a toxic harem we can just have a good harem.
last edited at Mar 17, 2019 6:05PM
REDflame23
Mar 18, 2019 12:27AM
^And on top of that, my comment wasn’t meant to be taken seriously. IRL, I most likely wouldn’t care, but in the manga world, it’d be fun to watch.
BugDevil
Mar 18, 2019 4:48AM
@Hollows It's the general rule, exceptions do exist of course (extremely rarely and usually super forced).
That's great, if you like to ignore what's actually going on for the idea of "shared love" then that's your right. It goes against the characters you like though. It goes against their dynamic, personalities and doesn't work once we actually think about their future instead of a still image of their current situation. What do they do after they graduate? What do they do once they get jobs and how does that affect an already terribly unstable harem? There is a 100% guarantee that some would grow apart or would seriously get angry with being treated as the "3rd or 4th" member. Suddenly there is favoritism and division of alone time. Factions form etc. Harems. Suck.
If those manga you mention have established that all these people are fine in their roles or that its the kind of crazy universe where this could actually work, fine. But "It's not my fault I'm not popular" is realistic to the point of cringe. It doesnt suit such a mad fantasy.
If you truly love a person, don't treat them like a set. Don't have six concubines in reserve. Tomoko clearly does not even show romantic interest in most of these girls. She is just doing her sexual harrassment thing. Why put this burden on her just so that the other girls don't feel a small pain for a short time (rejection)? Being a harem protagonist is probably the worst curse you can wish on someone.
last edited at Mar 18, 2019 5:53AM
risingstar3110
Mar 18, 2019 7:48AM
@BugDevil: I don’t like harem either, mostly because it requires great deal for it to work, even by fictional standard.
But I think you are taking it too serious here. All of these talks about disrespecting a character by putting them in harem, or how their difficult future life will turn out. It kinda gives me the PTSD about all of the homophobes rant on how a gay family can’t be functional in society and how their children will grow up in a family without a man/ woman.
If someone believe a Yuri x Tomoko x Nemo relationship can work. Let them be. Who knows maybe once homosexual is completely normalised in Japan, the medium will move to polygamy next and how members in one struggle to make the relationship works.
last edited at Mar 18, 2019 7:55AM
BugDevil
Mar 18, 2019 9:25AM
@risingstar3110
Sorry if my words somehow evoked those memories. I would never equate homosexuality to polyamory or harems. Harems just don't work on the personal level, society left aside.
The most I can see feasible are OT3s. Polyamory between three people. And even then only if every partner likes everyone in the triangle, which is already super rare. Poly is always such a painfully tedious balance act.
last edited at Mar 18, 2019 9:26AM
Hollows
Mar 18, 2019 10:00AM
@BugDevil I can understand what you mean. But one of the joys of reading doujinshi for me is that we can give a happy ending to everyone. In that case, a light hearted harem is my favorite. I don't believe that this kind of harem has to be inherently toxic.
I think it depends on what angle you would like to approach it from. I think a harem can work because yuri is light hearted and fun for me. I just want to see everyone get along.
Snowave
Mar 18, 2019 10:11AM
^Lemme grab my pop corn...
Nezchan
Mar 18, 2019 10:19AM
No need, they're pretty much finished.
BugDevil
Mar 18, 2019 10:26AM
@Hollows This manga here is sadly not just light-hearted fluff. So if it's the actual ending (not a doujin) I do not think a harem ending for "It's not my fault I'm not popular" makes sense. I value the canon of a story above even my own preferences or desires. So to me douijins/fanfics that stay within the realm of possibility of the original work are better. This is simply not the case with harem ends. But I respect your preference too, so let's leave it at that.
last edited at Mar 18, 2019 10:27AM
katewarner
Mar 19, 2019 11:07AM
^ "It's Not My Fault That My Life Is A Remake of School Days"
BugDevil
Mar 19, 2019 11:08AM
^Why can I easily imagine Yuri in the role of a certain knife-wielding nice boat riding jealousy consumed heroine...?
Snowave
Mar 19, 2019 11:49AM
^she is strong and obsesive.. yes i imagine that one.
last edited at Mar 20, 2019 10:58AM
katewarner
Mar 19, 2019 12:33PM
^ Someone had better worry if she buys a bag that would easily tote a severed head.
katewarner Mar 16, 2019 11:20PM
I can't see them as a ship, but they're fun to watch together.
Hollows Mar 16, 2019 11:21PM
I'm still rooting for the polyamory harem end. So I like this.
REDflame23 Mar 16, 2019 11:21PM
^^I get that.
REDflame23 Mar 16, 2019 11:23PM
Rooting for the content with sharing harem (often bickering).
Qwertre09 Mar 17, 2019 12:11AM
They make a nice combo though, with Nemo being pushy yet respectful and Yuri being aloof yet permissive.
Kisa Mar 17, 2019 3:36AM
I think they could become great friends, what with Nemo always wiling to probe Yuri’s thoughts and feelings, and Yuri looking to one up Nemo when the two of them come into direct contact over something,( Kuroki, ping pong, etc..).
BugDevil Mar 17, 2019 4:26AM
Never do harems, that's the worst possible outcome.
This pairing has potential, though not in canon.
Azero25 Mar 17, 2019 5:05AM
considering how often they compete over her, I can see this as a ship
Snowave Mar 17, 2019 9:42AM
H E R E T I C
REDflame23 Mar 17, 2019 11:05AM
BugDevil Not here.
random Mar 17, 2019 11:21AM
@Kisa They do both have a pointlessly competitive streak; and Yuri, true to form, doesn't necessarily inform the other party a race's on in the first place...
BugDevil Mar 17, 2019 12:01PM
@REDflame23 It's fine as a joke, but if you actually seriously want a harem end for this you have no idea what you are talking about. That's a terrible idea.
Hollows Mar 17, 2019 3:51PM
@BugDevil Why not just save the disappointment of rejecting someone and harem end it all?
last edited at Mar 17, 2019 3:55PM
katewarner Mar 17, 2019 4:02PM
What they are actually exactly like is sisters.
BugDevil Mar 17, 2019 4:03PM
@Hollows
Because I actually care about the characters. Harems are unstable, toxic and can't last. Additionally most of these girls are the type that doesn't want to share (which is completely normal and legitimate mind you). A harem, especially with this many members, means Tomoko has to divide attention and affection far too much, which leads back to the toxicity and envy route. Harems are simply not an option when all partners are supposed to be equal. It only works in some Sultan's harem of concubines, because they are basically commodities and have no rights.
In short: Rather one painful disappointment than a long stretch of pain.
last edited at Mar 17, 2019 4:04PM
SushiKnight Mar 17, 2019 4:49PM
I mean, everyone being the type that doesn't want to share is par for the course when it comes to harem garbage. It's what those stories rely on to keep readers interested. Reminds me of this.
last edited at Mar 17, 2019 4:49PM
Hollows Mar 17, 2019 6:03PM
@BugDevil Why would you presume that all harems have to be toxic? I can understand you if you were speaking empirically, but I like my yuri fluffy and light-hearted. And if I see a bunch of giris competing for one girl's attention, I heavily lean towards a harem barring some "pair the spares" type of situation.
One of the first yuri manga I've read on this site was this one, and I just loved how light-hearted and happy it was. Not to mention there's this threesome here which is also pretty good. Not to mention there's that YuriWhale picture of Tomoko's harem a while back.
Basically, instead of a toxic harem we can just have a good harem.
last edited at Mar 17, 2019 6:05PM
REDflame23 Mar 18, 2019 12:27AM
^And on top of that, my comment wasn’t meant to be taken seriously. IRL, I most likely wouldn’t care, but in the manga world, it’d be fun to watch.
BugDevil Mar 18, 2019 4:48AM
@Hollows It's the general rule, exceptions do exist of course (extremely rarely and usually super forced).
That's great, if you like to ignore what's actually going on for the idea of "shared love" then that's your right. It goes against the characters you like though. It goes against their dynamic, personalities and doesn't work once we actually think about their future instead of a still image of their current situation. What do they do after they graduate? What do they do once they get jobs and how does that affect an already terribly unstable harem? There is a 100% guarantee that some would grow apart or would seriously get angry with being treated as the "3rd or 4th" member. Suddenly there is favoritism and division of alone time. Factions form etc. Harems. Suck.
If those manga you mention have established that all these people are fine in their roles or that its the kind of crazy universe where this could actually work, fine. But "It's not my fault I'm not popular" is realistic to the point of cringe. It doesnt suit such a mad fantasy.
If you truly love a person, don't treat them like a set. Don't have six concubines in reserve. Tomoko clearly does not even show romantic interest in most of these girls. She is just doing her sexual harrassment thing. Why put this burden on her just so that the other girls don't feel a small pain for a short time (rejection)? Being a harem protagonist is probably the worst curse you can wish on someone.
last edited at Mar 18, 2019 5:53AM
risingstar3110 Mar 18, 2019 7:48AM
@BugDevil: I don’t like harem either, mostly because it requires great deal for it to work, even by fictional standard.
But I think you are taking it too serious here. All of these talks about disrespecting a character by putting them in harem, or how their difficult future life will turn out. It kinda gives me the PTSD about all of the homophobes rant on how a gay family can’t be functional in society and how their children will grow up in a family without a man/ woman.
If someone believe a Yuri x Tomoko x Nemo relationship can work. Let them be. Who knows maybe once homosexual is completely normalised in Japan, the medium will move to polygamy next and how members in one struggle to make the relationship works.
last edited at Mar 18, 2019 7:55AM
BugDevil Mar 18, 2019 9:25AM
@risingstar3110
Sorry if my words somehow evoked those memories. I would never equate homosexuality to polyamory or harems. Harems just don't work on the personal level, society left aside.
The most I can see feasible are OT3s. Polyamory between three people. And even then only if every partner likes everyone in the triangle, which is already super rare. Poly is always such a painfully tedious balance act.
last edited at Mar 18, 2019 9:26AM
Hollows Mar 18, 2019 10:00AM
@BugDevil I can understand what you mean. But one of the joys of reading doujinshi for me is that we can give a happy ending to everyone. In that case, a light hearted harem is my favorite. I don't believe that this kind of harem has to be inherently toxic.
I think it depends on what angle you would like to approach it from. I think a harem can work because yuri is light hearted and fun for me. I just want to see everyone get along.
Snowave Mar 18, 2019 10:11AM
^Lemme grab my pop corn...
Nezchan Mar 18, 2019 10:19AM
No need, they're pretty much finished.
BugDevil Mar 18, 2019 10:26AM
@Hollows This manga here is sadly not just light-hearted fluff. So if it's the actual ending (not a doujin) I do not think a harem ending for "It's not my fault I'm not popular" makes sense. I value the canon of a story above even my own preferences or desires. So to me douijins/fanfics that stay within the realm of possibility of the original work are better. This is simply not the case with harem ends. But I respect your preference too, so let's leave it at that.
last edited at Mar 18, 2019 10:27AM
katewarner Mar 19, 2019 11:07AM
^ "It's Not My Fault That My Life Is A Remake of School Days"
BugDevil Mar 19, 2019 11:08AM
^Why can I easily imagine Yuri in the role of a certain knife-wielding nice boat riding jealousy consumed heroine...?
Snowave Mar 19, 2019 11:49AM
^she is strong and obsesive.. yes i imagine that one.
last edited at Mar 20, 2019 10:58AM
katewarner Mar 19, 2019 12:33PM
^ Someone had better worry if she buys a bag that would easily tote a severed head.
KingSkull Mar 19, 2019 7:17PM
Cool