I think if you try to convince someone that something they think is bad is actually good by pointing out that other people like it, you're missing the point.

Not when people try to state their opinions as if they were facts. And especially not when they try to state that their opinions are of the majority.

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popularity =/= quality

Hence emphasizing the ratings that it gets, too. It's the eighth highest rated yuri/shoujo-ai manga on MAL.

Which reminds me that MAL needs to get their shit together with the genres. Shoujo-ai needs to go away, the way they classify it makes no damn sense.

Yeah, cause the ratings and sales totally backs up all the hate. /s

hopefully Pure is not her half or step sister, right, RIIGHHHTT?

That would make her way younger, also she would know what was up with Akira's father.

have u considered the possibility, Akira as the legitimate child ones here? who knows.. right?

I don't know what you mean by that, but it's clear that the other child was born while Akira was in middle school.

hopefully Pure is not her half or step sister, right, RIIGHHHTT?

That would make her way younger, also she would know what was up with Akira's father.

Could easily be explained that in the future Akira and her father make up and she just never bothered to tell the story. Pure also didn't seem so surprised about Akira's mother or her wish to be a teacher.

I feel sad about their so called forbiddrn unrequited love and family culture why just cant accept that their daughter is a lesbian i reaaly hate sad endings made my so sad and torned in half its not impossible

They actually got a happy ending! But you have to read Pulse to find out~

Happy ending after like 20 years of separation doesn't sound so happy.

It doesn't say they were separated for 20 years. They don't look much older than they do in this one shot.

It's been 12 years

I'm not sure if you are getting that directly from Ratana, so I might just be wrong, but in the translation it says that they wasted 12 years, not that the marriage lasted for 12 years. The wasted 12 years could include the time they knew they liked each other but refused to do anything about it. Besides, 12 years in a forced marriage for the good of her family but she didn't have any kids seems odd.

It's more than just slight subtext. It's almost on par with Flip Flappers.

I feel sad about their so called forbiddrn unrequited love and family culture why just cant accept that their daughter is a lesbian i reaaly hate sad endings made my so sad and torned in half its not impossible

They actually got a happy ending! But you have to read Pulse to find out~

Happy ending after like 20 years of separation doesn't sound so happy.

It doesn't say they were separated for 20 years. They don't look much older than they do in this one shot.

A pair of them show up later in the manga and are used as assassins. That page even says that there has been sightings in recent years.

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They're not.

The Chain of Youth ended today with a non-end ending. Really disappointing after months on hiatus, seemed like the author didn't want to work on it anymore but felt obligated to finish it. Don't recommend it.

A few other yuri on Lezhin that have shit endings are Everday Lily, My Girlfriend's Ex-Boyfriend, Her Pet, and arguably Maison De Maid. I would say the same about Daily Witch's ending but a sequel is planned after Elixir is finished.

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Did anyone watch Kakegurui and if yes is it recommendable? It apparently has some yuri but I don't want to get baited :x

The anime will bait you, the manga will not.

Really? I heard the anime had lot's of good Yuri in it.
Does it fuck us over with a male love interest?

It doesn't. Yes, it does. Biggest disappointment of the season for me.

Did anyone watch Kakegurui and if yes is it recommendable? It apparently has some yuri but I don't want to get baited :x

The anime will bait you, the manga will not.

I have the feeling the author didn't want to make the story progress, so they came with all those short stories. Anyway, thanks for translating this gem, truly a wonderful piece of Yuri! <3

Progress to what? They already had naked wrestling, thats where most yuri series end. This is just taking it one step further.

There is a difference between reality and fiction. Reality isn't written or scenarized. It has no need for justification. It just happens. Explanations and rationalizations are manmade afterward.

No, there's not. A lot of fiction relies on the reader/viewer to have some sense of critical thinking skills. Not everything needs explaining and not every motivation needs justification. Some things we just know and understand because we know that it happens in the real world. We don't need to understand the psychology behind a serial killer in a murder mystery novel when we have murderers in real life who were just bored sociopaths. We didn't need to fully understand Hannibal Lector to know that he was a shitty person who did shitty things for shitty reasons.

Fiction needs to be coherent as a whole. In my opinion, a good author, while leaving some room for interpretation, should give their readers a framework of explanation for the world they are building. Usually using foreshadowing, to show they are in control of their story and the readers don't need to torture their mind to understand what's going on. They build a puzzle and the readers see the pieces falling into place as the story moves on. That's what Japanese authors often do, and it's very effective.

Except how is anything in this story not coherent? The fact that we have reality to refer back to makes it coherent. It allows an interpretation that doesn't require you too skim the show with a magnifying glass to find the details foreshadowing it. A fictional world with a fictional parallel to many real world fascist dictators that made similar decisions. The story isn't about Sozin, it's about the consequences of his actions almost a hundred years after he made them. The reason why he committed atrocities is not the main focus of the story.

We know that the fact that Korra turned out to be gay wasn't planned by the authors. They just felt it to be in the flow of things. But there wasn't any foreshadowing because talking about same-sex relationships wasn't in the scope of that world originally.

What are you on about? Because gays were never explicitly talked about means there was no foreshadowing? Come on, that's pretty damn weak. Why would the show have any reason to talk about girls loving girls before the girls are loving girls? They knew that in book 2 they were going to break up Korra and Mako permanently, the only reason they were together was because they wanted a quick romance in what was originally planned to be a single season series. In season 3 they made the decision to have Korra and Asami as end game and worked towards that. Season 3 had them become closer and then gave hints throughout season 4 before the "confession" at the end. That's more than we ever got from NanoFate.

So, I feel (and you can't fight my own feelings) that a sudden criminalization of gays by the Fire Nation, added like a second thought, was poorly introduced and the rationale behind it was weak.

Again, how does that make sense to you? How is it added like a second thought when they also gave the reasons for the other nations? Why is the Fire Nations weak while you have nothing to say about the Water Tribe, Air Nomads or Earth Kingdom? How is the rationale weak? It was literally the work of a genocide committing fascist dictator, and it doesn't make sense that he would ban homosexuality like many have done in reality? The comic literally explains that the Earth Kingdom was militaristically repressive, hence it's social opposition to homosexuality. Can the same not be applied to the Fire Nation's militaristic imperialism?

Again, it explains the stance of all four nations, there is no reason to harp on the reason for the Fire Nation when it has no actual relevance to the current characters. It was just a one panel history lesson.

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The whole nazi ideology revolved around blood, race, purity, aryanism, etc... and homosexuality was viewed as something decadent, something inferior races would do. Their whole thing was "we are the best race, so everyone else should submit or disappear". So of course, they had reasons for criminalizing homosexuality.

And how was the fire nation any different? The whole point was to spread their way of life, to spread their advanced technology. They believed themselves the superior nation that all others should submit to.

From what I recall, the subject of homosexuality was never mentioned before in LoK, and I tend to agree with Nevri that Sozin wouldn't go after gays just because "that's what fascist dictators do".

Homosexuality was never mentioned because the only nation that fully embraced LGBT went extinct.

Fascist dictators tend to go after minorities, the ones who don't fit into their ideal society. When it comes to homosexuality, they don't tend to prosper in their military ideals. Turf Wars alluded to it when explaining how Earth Kingdom didn't accept homosexuality.

He would have to have an interest in doing so. Either to please some influent religious group, or because it would be aligned with his propaganda. It takes resources to enforce a ban on something. No leader at war likes to waste resources on something useless.

You know that ain't true. Leaders during war time have no problem wasting resources on wasteful endeavors. You don't have to look far with the US military banning homosexuals until recently, as well as the recent attempt to ban transsexuals despite the opposition from top generals.

So, unless it was explained why he would ban same-sex couples, i got the impression it was just that: lazy writing. Giving a reason to hate him more, even if it came from left-field and the author didn't bother to put it in context.

The context is there, all you need to do is look at the parallels to the real world. Hell, just look at the other nation's stance on homosexuality.

They could have written "The fire nation was tolerant too, but then Fire Lord Sozin took power. He decreed that wearing socks in sandals was criminal".

Ooooh... that bastard... wait... What? Why?

Except you have no parallel to reality as to why a fascist dictator would ban socks with sandals. You might as well be asking yourself why Sozin would want to become an evil dictator in the first place. Why did he want to invade the other nations? That is never fully explained in the show either, but because we know real world counterparts of men just trying to grab a hold of as much power as they can get by any means necessary you don't really need a full explanation for Sozin's motivations.

I pointed out the history of the oppression of homosexuality in reality in hope that you would use some critical thinking skills and draw some parrallels to help figure out why a fascist dictator would ban homosexuality. But I guess I expected too much from you.

Nevri, you havent even read the book. What makes you think you have any leg to stand on? You are willfully ignorant, your opinion means nothing.

Now run away, you got nothing contructive to say anyways.

My arguments are bad? You didnt even read the book, you have no argument.

Of course Sozin went after the air benders because he was trying to kill the Avatar. He still committed genocide to kill a specific child, but he's too nice of a guy to go after other minority groups? Do you not understand how asinine that sounds?

Firstly Her* I've stated this multiple times why do people keep assuming im a guy?

Because who cares? I'm a dude, someone calls me a girl online I don't give a shit.

Secondly did you actually watch ATLA at all? The fire nation under the sozin line of rule didn't give a shit whether you a man, woman, old, young, crippled all they cared about was: Are you willing to fight and die for the future of the nation?
If the answer was yes then great, that only started to change when Ozai took control of the nation because he was a self absorbed megalomaniacal monster who simply wanted the world for himself removed from sozins vision.

Again, how is this any different than Nazi Germany? Seriously, how is it any different? Sozin exterminated the air benders no matter who they were, you honestly think he wouldn't go after other minority groups?

Now consider: why would such a nation seek to alienate potential soldiers/scientists for no reason at all especially considering said nation is very far removed from things like traditions unlike the water tribe?
But please continue to assume I'm naive and know nothing of how the world works, see how that works out for ya.

Literally Nazi Germany, literally the US military up until the turn of the century. You're naive because even though you have real world examples to show that you are wrong you ignore it.

Now since everyone on here seems to have just skimmed over my main point, it'd make FAR more sense for the water tribe to have enforced something like this but no we cant do that, that'd show that the "good" tribe was actually kinda flawed and everything needs to be black and white.

DID YOU NOT READ THE FUCKING BOOK? The water tribe runs on "don't ask, don't tell", her parents telling her to keep her relationship private pissed Korra off and what leads to her finding out how other nations treat homosexuals. Socially, the water tribe is technically more oppressive than the fire nation since the fire nation was actually progressive up until the rise of Sozin.

You wouldn't need to have any sneaking suspicions if you just read my posts with comprehension, you would know I'm only going off by what was said here. I would defend my side, but you misunderstood so many of my points, I don't feel like basically explaining everything to you again, in order for this conversation to even move forward.

There is no defending your side. Your points are based off misinformation. You didn't read the book, so why do you think you have a valid argument at all? A lot of your points don't make a damn lick of sense to anyone that actually read the book.

It wasn't. I watched entire show and only time I got a yuri vibe (and I get yuri vibe from the smallest of stuff), was when Asami commented that Korra got cute hair style and Korra blushed. It was somewhere at the beginning of season 3 and that was it. Sure you could ship them normally, but you would be hard pressed to find any evidences in the show. Especially since creators had their hands tight and if they were to make anything too explicit, Nickelodeon would cut it short immediately. They specifically stated they had to hid the idea from them until the very end and only could officially confirm it on a blog, outside the show, once it ended. I was already a huge yuri fan back then, and I didn't even catch the ending and though they were just friends going on adventure. That is how vague it was. So please, don't give me that it was hinted. It wasn't. Shit load of people complained they have no issue with it, but it came out of nowhere and felt totally unexpected.

I'm going to keep saying it was hinted because it was. The reddit forums was filled with people calling it out the entire 4th book. Sorry, but I guess you just are not as perceptive as you believe.

There is the blush after the compliment, Mako asking them what's going on between them, Korra calling Asami sweet when she brings her tea to cheer her up, Asami comforting Korra and holding her hand when she feels all alone in the world, Asami offers to drop everything just so that she can go with Korra to the southern water tribe, Asami is always the one watching over Korra while she meditates, the fact that they always team up together whenever possible, and Korra writes only to Asami for 2 years and you don't see anything special about that? She is just more friends with her all the sudden than Mako and Bolin? You got to be joking me.

I already made a rant about it, how clear the difference between het and gay romance is. You can read it here, but short version is, het is all over the show, but you need a magnifying glass to find any traces of gay anywhere.

Except you clearly don't since so many people found it quite easily.

And to say that it's insulting for them to hint at the gays getting together after a straight wedding is asinine. It's equating the two on the same level, the opposite of insulting.

Sounds like shitty world bulding to me, since it wasn't ever addressed and was never a problem in the either of shows. It sounds more like a stupid retcon to show how cool and progressive we are and how old villain was even badder than we thought, because he didn't like gays in a story where our main protagonist are gays! (ignore the fact, he conquered the world and ruled it with iron fist, while killing everyone who dares to oppose him. People won't get he is bad until we make him homophobic too!)

Where the hell are you getting this from and did you even read the book yourself? Sozin was a dictator that made homosexuality illegal in a mostly socially progressive society. But did you forget that the water tribe runs on "don't ask, don't tell" where you are suppose to hide the gays or how about the Earth Kingdom that has always been and currently is opposed to homosexuality? The fact that you keep bringing up the comment of Sozin shows that you weren't paying any attention to the rest of the explanation.

Which was my point why Sozin thing sounded retarded, but at the same time this one is just as stupid. Again, it was never mentioned or had any role in either of TV series, but now that we can be open about gay stuff, let's make everything about gays. How about instead of talking how there used to be oppression, which whatever you want or not, will sound like a cheap explanation why they weren't open in the show, focus, idk, on them being lovely dovely couple now? Who gives a fuck, if it was banned before or something. You are free to do as you please now, so do. Stop excusing yourself and just focus on the story. Only other explanation I can think of is, that it is supposed to be some kind of commentary on Nickelodeon and their politics and creators are taking piss on them, but that on the other hand just sounds petty.

It has nothign to do with your point, you never mentioned the Earth nation's stance on homosexuality. You said that Sozin's posiiton somehow had something to do with Korra and Asami's relationship, which it doesn't. Sozin did a ton of bad shit, he literally committed genocide, but it's retarded that he also went after other minority groups? Have you ever read a history book?

Everything about gays? Again, are you out of your fucking mind? Even in the 80 pages most of it isn't about Korra and Asami's relationship. Now all the sudden everything is about it?

Them talking about the different nations and their stance on gays has absolutely nothing to do with their relationship. It literally has no affect on them, they are learning about it at the same time as the rest of the audience. And you act like the oppression is not there anymore when they got into the whole conversation because Korra's parents telling them to keep their relationship on the down low. I have a sneaking suspicion you didn't even read the whole book and are just basing your argument entirely off the leaked pages.

Because solders serving in it, felt weird changing and bathing together with gay man. It had nothing to do with any dictatorship etc. and more with fear and common misconceptions gay people fuck everyone as long as they are the same sex as them. They just felt uncomfortable they would be checked out etc.

So the fire nation doesn't have any of that? You literally answered why Sozin would ban gays from his military.

And? You didn't really disprove his point. Just because they are similar in 1 aspect it doesn't mean they are identical in everything else.

How did I not disprove his point? His point was that technologically advanced nations don't tend to be homophobic but reality spits in his face for making such a naive statement.

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You guys are out of your minds.

That is just really lazy and stupid explanation why them falling for each other and entire romance wasn't hinted at all in the show and came out of nowhere.

Wasn't hinted at? Where were you for books 3 and 4? Korrasami had a bigger fanbase than Makorra, did you think we just sprang out of nowhere? The subtext was there, yuri fans should have easily spotted it.

Besides that, the fire nation explanation was just world building. It had nothing to do with their relationship since they were part of Republic city, which used to be part of the Earth Kingdom, which they explained had always been socially opposed to homosexuality.

And about Sozin:

Firelord Sozin was a Tyrant yes but judging by what we saw of fire nation society under that rule he wouldn't give a shit who you were in love with so long as you fought for the fire nation and were fiercely loyal.

Why were gays banned from the US military until the turn of the century? You have real life parallels that answer you questions.

barring the tyrannical rule thing they have always been progressive and a leading force of science in the world.

Hmm, kind of like Germany...

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You say something that's obviously wrong, I call you out, anime proves me right, and now I'm the annoying one? All you had to do was not be so damn stubborn. I wouldn't have a reason to be here if you had just said "Sorry, guess I was wrong." But alas, here you are, you can't even ignore me like you said you would. Why wouldn't I reply when you keep replying to me and talking about me? You got some real thin skin.

But, go ahead, keep repeating the same bullshit that Naru was rude and condescending to Hajime. I'll still be here to correct it. You are not obligated to reply but I know you will.

@Nez We both of have been replying to others.

"Talking about anything with this person is pointless, so I am going to stop."

"You're still talking with other people, so that was clearly a lie!"

How the fuck does logic work?

And that's the last post of theirs I'm even going to look at.

You know damn well it's not. Why are you going to ask a question if you don't want the answer. You weren't talking to other people, you've replied to me directly and continue to do so. That's pretty damn good logic.

can understand that mentality, but nothing presented in-story points to the same concept being true there, too, though.

Except for the whole Umiko being so impressed that she didn't even bother checking the code until it was actually in the game. Seems like speed was more important to her than the actual quality of the code, further proven when she straight hired her instead of just extending her contract to give her another chance.

Alright, feels like ivedstepped onto a land mine. Sorry! Speed and design do matter, though I do have to say that the finished product's usability trumps both. It could be the best concept in the world and you could program a whole half of it in a week, at astounding speed, but if it doesn't work it's sadly useless.

The design doesn't matter because she isn't the one designing it. She is coding, so the only two things she is being assessed on is whether or not the code works and how fast she does it. And she was so fast that Umiko didn't even bother keeping an eye on her the whole time.

Well, two things really. One is that telling the truth is important, but you have to tell it with tact. People don't get hired by companies by saying "I applied to ten other jobs and I just want whatever pays me most". It's an unspoken truth, but that doesn't mean it should be said! Foot in mouth is dreadfully common in stressful work cubicle environments, as Naru seems to suffer from. Rather than say Nene is playing around, she could have rephrased it "This internship is really important to me. If you really want this job, you need to take it more seriously." This establishes Naru as the "bigger one" by making her seem more competent and serious about this internship while also making her seem caring by advising Nene to be more serious to get the job.

Naru suffers from no such thing. Even after what she said, Nene agreed with her. If it weren't for Naru's words then Nene would still just be playing around. She would have turned in a broken maze game to Umiko expecting sympathy if Naru didn't tell her to keep working. She said what needed to be said and Nene is better for it.

Second thing (and whew, sorry this is so long!) is Naru was kind of rude to Hajime. It's true that it sucks that design changes kept being edited and any employee the day before the deadline (or anyone really) can attest to being stressed. But Hajime is Naru's senior and she should have treated her with more respect. Specs get changed all the time-if you're inflexible, you won't be able to survive.

And this is how this whole thing started. You're completely wrong. There is no disrespect or rudeness. Naru was very open and respectful. She could have been an asshole like Mogu suggested and built a case to use against Hajime in order to blame her when they turned in the project late OR she could to the respectful thing and talk to her directly. She says nothing rude, only that she is an intern looking for a job and that means she is on thinner ice. Hajime understood that and apologized to her. The audience seems to be far more offended than Hajime.

That was with someone's help though. Without a proper debugger (and we saw how thick the error pages were, whew!), Naru would have taken much longer to comb through the code. Having a proper checker is just as important as a good programmer.

Which is why the whole game goes through severe bug checking. Nene turned in a large stack when debugging the company's last game, doesn't mean that it was broken. Also, Umiko expected Naru to get it all done herself by the deadline anyways.

I personally would take on Nene just because it's easier to train a person to learn programming than to become more socially aware and tact, but it s definitely a good question

Apparently not for Eagle Jump since they have both in spades. Hafumin still has trouble talking with the people directly under her supervision, and Nene will spend more time debugging than actual coding.

It's just so fascinating to meet a TL for a series that they can barely comprehend. Don't blame me for being a bit clingy when you try to ghost me after losing just one argument.