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Another thing, obviously this chapter will divide fans even more, make some people change sides, if not outright stop liking Seju and/or Sumin, but I doubt they will really lose much fans, like, yeah both are completely wrong here, which one is more wrong is completely arguable, but even so, from the beginning we saw that both are, well, pathetic, really, there's not other word to define them, and a lot of characters simply can't be sympathetic without being pathetic, the fact that Seju made all this plan and manipulate Sumin, and the fact that Sumin accepted Seju wish when she could have just said no, just shows how pathetic they are, I suspect that to make things balanced again they'll show more tragic things with Seju while Sumin act like a jerk or give shitty excuse to Sungji as to why she slept with Seju.

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WDTFS fans - off topic 01 Jun 17:33
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Alvis
Still depressed, feeling a little better lately, or at least was until I noticed that they mentioned martian, who from what I remember was disappeared for more time than me, but they still remember her, while I'm completely forgotten. (>_>)

And how are you?

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Eh, I'm not really surprised by this turn of events, disappointing for being too obvious and cliche of course, but it was obvious for some time that Seju was desperate and might have tried something, I kind of find Seju and Sumin actions in character actually, what I didn't like is how Sungji is reacting to the situation, her girlfriend fucking cheated on her and she acts as if it's not a big deal? Like, she'll fight for Sumin? Really? Yeah Seju planned that and was being manipulative, what she did is wrong, there's no arguing about her actions, but Sumin is an adult, she's not mentally challenged, she's not retarded or anything like that, this all could have been avoided if she just denied Seju wish, even if Seju was being manipulative in the end Sumin still had a choice, and she chose to do that, Seju don't have some form of mind control to negate Sumin choice, if you stop to think about it the situation is actually kind of worse, because not only Sumin was going to cheat on Sungji, but if not for Seju plan Sungji wouldn't even know what Sumin did, which makes Sumin the worse of the two, because of how bad she reacted when Seju cheated on her it's not only hypocrital but kind of disgusting she did the exactly the same on Sungji, cause really, there's no excuse for her actions.

I still believe this is a healing story, in most of them the healing happens near the end of the story, and before the healing starts things get a lot worse, just like it's happening now, I'm just curious about what will be the next plot twist, maybe the theory that Seju cheating was planned by Nammi or that crazy guy who attacked Sumin is going to happen? It would be one way to make things even more tragic.

As for how people are reacting in other places, that's fan dumb for you, the character or pairing they like is perfect, anything and everything they do is excusable or have a reasonable explanation, while the one they hate is a monster and nothing they'll do is good in any way, I mean, really, both Seju and Sumin are completely wrong here, if there's any victim it's just Sungji, I find stupid how they want Sumin x Sungji even more now cause really, the way Sungji is acting is very mary suish and unrealistic, she said she's going to fight for Sumin, but the fact that Sumin easily accepted to sleep with Seju even though she knows better than anyone else what that meant, doesn't that mean she loves Seju more than Sungji?

TokiTheKiwi
Where is your avatar from?

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WDTFS fans - off topic 01 Jun 17:04
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Su
Nice to see you back, how you doing? Feeling better?

Alvis
Welcome o7

mvl89 posted:

GUESS WHO! :D

Wassup folks! I still live! XD And I see we got new peeps. Yo to the newbies! :D
And just in case nobody's gonna answer in time, I'll see if I can get back tomorrow. There's a PC room here, but usage is limited. I have 1 and a half hours, then it's dinner time. ^^ Still, how is everyone? Please tell me I didn't miss too much while I was away. XD

WELCOME BACK SU-CHAN!!
glad to hear from you, hows that fancy facility? is it everything they described and more?

You didnt miss much kittykat is still in some secret relationship with someone on the thread XD
newpai is still a thing and dofu is still up to her usual shameless behavior >.<
rainy and mvlp are still as flirty as ever XD

martian has disappeared on us
NeZchan promised me /cough cough/ some home baked sourdough bread XD
ok thats all i can remember right now

Elthundercat you forgot to mention that it's Faylicia and Llama that have disappeared on us. Martian still comes around but rarely. She visits the main thread more.

I think KitKat is in a secret relationship with Llama. 99% sure. Hahaha...i think so. Llama one day did come out to sort of claim KitKat.

Well, good to know I'm not even worth to be mentioned, guess I won't even need to read all the posts made to see what I should reply, after all I wasn't even missed so why reply any of them, guess I shouldn't show up anymore either... (>_>)

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Faust

Lmao T-sama why

Why not? xD

GendoIkari

It's what he does.

What can I say, I have free time and it's in my nature.

Alice Cheshire

If you're into guro you're definitely going to go out and start murdering people. And if you're into scat you're clearly going to start going out and shitting all over random people. Though if that's true what's the imply about some other fetishes like inflation or giants or something? Is someone who's into tentacle rape going to get caught fucking an octopus?

Well, inflation in theory you could probably try to fill your body with air or something, obviously would probably die horribly, maybe do like furries and use some kind of suit that can inflate? As for giants, I don't know, if the person is small then find someone really tall? Or if they're tall go out with a midget? Maybe pay a fortune for a sex doll made specifically for them? After all that kind of fetish is basically impossible, you could try to roleplay with someone or something at best, as for tentacle, well, there's woman who have sex with octopus, there's actually japanese porn that try to have tentacle sex/rape, the ones I saw the tentacles looked pretty fake, and what about unbirth? Or fusion/assimilation? There's a lot more of those bizarre fetishes...

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WDTFS fans - off topic 20 May 03:04
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dofudofu
So you reply Newp but not me, hum...

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Somehow was mistaken for thinking all lolicon should be banned or something and got trolled into rambling about the limits of freedom of speech. So yeah, I'm done in this thread.

Honestly? I do believe you're mistaken, lets be honest since we started this talk about freedom of speech, it's not only lolicon, but shotacon, toddlercon, rape, guro, incest, slavery, mind break, bestiality and some other types of hentai, first and the most important thing is that it's completely harmeless, you can't harm images, second, it's really rare for a hentai to have characters that look realistic, you can look at most lolicon hentai, or even non-loli hentai for that matter, and they don't look much like real people or act like them, their faces is the most obvious part as expected from mangas, but most loli/shota hentai they either have super perfect sexy proportions or look more like a chibi version of a teenager, it's few who have a more realistic art, and even so it's just a few that really look like real children or older person, they almost always look too perfect or as if there's something off.

With that said, the reason I think it shouldn't be banned is because the logic that it promotes child porn in my opinion is bullshit and logical fallacy, people have been doing that for years with anything that they don't like, violent video games are murder simulators and will turn you into a killer, rock will turn people into satanists, a movie/serie will make people drink or smoke, if there's a homosexual scene it'll turn people gay or it's "immoral", guns should be banned because they kill people, and a lot more of stupid irrational whining, the only logic you can really give to ban something that is literally not harming anyone is that it'll promote that thing and people will start doing it, the problem is that humans don't work like that at all, just like with murder in video game people know that pedophilia is wrong, they know that both the video game violence and hentai are not real, if someone who likes violent video games kills someone or if a loli/shota reader abuses a child, it's not because it was "promoted", but because that person was already unstable, had mental problems, already had those inclinations, or you know, they're just scum, the people who rape, kill and so on don't need something to give them that idea, most of them already had that inclination or thoughts, it's just a question of when they'll do it, shooting at schools are good examples of that, they always try blame music, video games and so on even though the person had problems that were the real reason for the shooting, like bullying.

Another reason people want to ban some things is basic "think of the chilren!" bullshit, problem is that most of those things are not even made for children or teenagers at all, the reason people want to ban those things is because it's easier to blame them instead of admitting that it's their fault that their children have access to them, don't know how to deal with them or don't know that something is wrong, and you can't really say that they promote anything since a lot of them have some warning saying that in real life that's a crime or wrong, I believe that porn, hentai manga and hentai ova all mention somewhere that rape, sex with children and so on are a crime and shouldn't be done in real life, at least I saw warnings in some porn and hentai, but I guess it's rare to see it translated in hentai since it's time they can use to translate something more important.

Now don't get me wrong, my problem is not with loli/shota itselt, I'm against any kind of censorship or law that prohibits you of doing something that is not harming someone else or getting in the way of their rights, when you start to ban something with the argument that it "promotes" something or will "influence" people to do it you open a precedent to ban a lot more using the same logic, you just need a group big enough and with enough power to force the banning of somethig they don't like and soon we'll have the thought police, in case of hentai, and actually porn too because a lot involve things like rape, girls that look really young and so on, especially if it's japanese, I don't really think they need to be promoted, if people want it they can search and find it for themselves, I actually think the same for things like alcohol, cigarettes, guns, and some other things, it's one thing to in a work of fiction glorify it or show as if it's not a big deal, but I'm completely against promoting them in real life as if there's no consequence, drinking and smoking are good examples of that as sometimes they're promoted as if they're the best things ever even though they can easily fuck you up, same with US laws about guns, I agree that people should be free to buy guns, but I don't like how it's easy for any idiot to buy guns, although I don't think it would decrease school shootings as much as some argue, there's always illegal ways for them to get guns, and without a gun they could easily read anywhere in the internet about how to make bombs and explode their school or something like that, when people really want to kill someone they will find a way.

Anyway, as for the main topic, I'm all in for more yuri loli age gap, or any loli yuri, or age gap yuri, well, I'm in for any yuri actually, there's never enough yuri, as for just loli in general, the more the better, lolis are the best after all~~, though I'm in for shota, trap, milf, well, anything really, I like pretty much all types of hentai, what can I say? 2D is love, 2D is life, 3D is overrated.

As for the thread going off topic, does it matter? Not like we really have much of a topic to talk about anyway, though if the thread was not dead yet, my post might have killed it now, I'm expect this reaction from most people.

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WDTFS fans - off topic 20 May 01:04
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Newp
Haha, I never really play online, so met few people, as for messing my grades, well, I never needed video games to do that. xD

And I'll get better, I always get after some time, I don't really need to go see the weather, I'm fine in my room, only reason I'm not a basement dweller is because I don't have a basement, not to mention that I don't have a nice spot to go like you, although it's interesting to note that my city have the most beautiful street in the world, literally, but I don't live even close to it, so I can't go there. xD

You can see the street here:
http://viralsprint.com/the-most-beautiful-street-in-the-world/

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WDTFS fans - off topic 20 May 00:52
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Yeah I think I got everything done for today and tomorrow actually :) So I'm going to pack tomorrow morning instead of this evening. Kanojo fell asleep before I could ask if she wanted to share a suit case or go separate. And I've told you before I don't want a collar lol... or a leash...

Cool, it's always nice when we're ahead of the planned schedule, especially if you can do the rest in advance, I assume her day was also tiring since she's already sleeping? Isn't it more practical to have separated suit cases? And you don't need to use the collar annd leash all the time, can use sometimes at night, nothing wrong with having some pet play, just need to chose if you're a cat or dog. xD

Isn't always a cat or a dog that a lesbian couple have in fiction? I don't think I ever saw any other animal, like, why always cats and dogs? Because they can be called pussies and bitches?

I really think it'll be fine. She's not a very confrontational person and even though she was really heated when everything first happened, I don't think she'll make a fuss in front of a lot of other people.

Well, I can imagine that at the time was worse and now she calmed down, but that is useless if she get drunk, so better keep an eye, I mean, we joke about it, but even without taking in account that it's someone wedding things can get ugly. :x

Thanks :) No wedding yet lol. Not even engaged yet. I just told kanojo that I was figuring out a ring for her and wanted her to come help choose the setting, so she was very happy. Our anniversary is coming up in July, so she says she wants to exchange the rings then. Her ring is going to take a month or so before it's ready anyway. No wedding date or anything like that, even though both our mothers are already in a tizzy. Her mom wants to throw an engagement party for us which seems like a really fantastically awkward thing to do considering most of the people in our lives know what happened with the first proposal lol...

I see, yeah anniveersary is a good occasion to exchange rings, I think there's almost always that one month wait for the rings, and I know it's too soon for a date, but wondered if Kanojo didn't had one in mind xD, as for the mothers, I can imagine how happy they are, and even without people knowing what happened won't that party be awkward anyway? If anything someone might say things like "finally" or ask as a joke if you won't go back on it. xD

Oh I see :) I'm thinking about getting a PS4 just for the FFVII remake xD

No PS4 for me any time soon, same for Vita, I have PS3 already besides some others, I think first I'll buy a good PC to play any game at best quality, console is better for exclusive games, with a good PC I would at least be able to play anything else that is not exclusive, download pirated version and use any money for PS4, Vita, XBOX 360, Wii U, and so on, but I admit that I wanted to have a PS4 and Vita soon for some games, like FFVII. (T^T)

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WDTFS fans - off topic 19 May 23:12
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Newp
Don't think it have any reason in particular, if it has any it would be various small thins accumulated with the years, it's something cyclic nowadays, some months I'm alright, some months I'm depressed, and so on, as for the weather, even if it had the most beautiful sky and sun out I would not go see it at all, I'm okay in my room with air conditioner always on, and it's your loss that you stoped playing games, shame on you for saying it ruined your life!

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WDTFS fans - off topic 19 May 23:07
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dofudofu
Oh right, forgot it's in the weekend, was you able to do all that you needed today? As for the collar and leash, sorry but, what's wrong with it backfiring? Like, I don't see anything wrong with you being her puppy all night. xD

As for Kanojo confronting the woman, well, guess you can't get out of her side as to not let her drink?

Also, congratulations on your wedding! You said something about Kanojo being horny when she's happy, so I assume you're tired everyday since she must be super happy now that you asked for her hand? Already chose a ring? Won't even show it to us? Any dates for it yet? xD

As for video games, unfortunately I don't play as much as in the past, in part for not having mood, end up on the internet or watching anything on tv, and no reason for moderation, not like I have anything better to do with my life, and I also have like, maybe over 10 games in wait, some for so long that I'll probably have to restart them, not to mention countless of other things to play, read, watch, but too down to do it, and reeeeeeally lazy, and just you know, I'll probably going to play something else besides Dishonored, XCOM:: Enemy within, going to shoot some alien scum in the face~~

Lin
Oh yeah, forgot to ask, but how are things between you two and Su father? I remember reading that she screamed at him because of what he said to you and that made him ask things to his wife, I assume he didn't say any more shit? You two getting along? Though it's not the best time for her to have that fight with him, I guess in the end it'll be for the best since she had her surgery, everything is perferct, and he won't be saying more bullshit to you or her since this is definitely not the time for it? I mean, if he won't change now after his daughter had a surgery with risks and she can't be stressed by his bullshit, guess he'll won't change any time soon...

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WDTFS fans - off topic 19 May 22:32
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mvl89
Haha, such simple life

Lin
W-weeks?? Nooooooo. (T^T)

As for dealing with your own problems, isn't that normal? It's always easier to help others with their problens than it is to deal with our problems, I don't think it's ridiculous at all just because you help others, also, you had some tragic past with a Claire? I can't help but be curious about it...

And sorry for not asking before, but how is Su doing?

Newp
Hey there, nothing up I guess same as usual, depressed, yaaaay... And you?

dofudofu
Why the plan would backfire at you? And how was the wedding? No cat fight between Kanojo and the rapist? And why exhausted?

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WDTFS fans - off topic 19 May 20:05
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Hi there, you're welcome o7, though I never really completely dissappear, I'm always observing all of you, always...

Lin
Hi there o7, I agree with mvl89, without you we're dead. (T^T)

So, how's everyone doing? What you've been doing? The most I'm doing is play Dishonored again, besides that just vegetating at bed watching tv, or seeing some things at internet using phone, or sleeping, unless I'm working, when I go to work that is... (>_<)

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WDTFS fans - off topic 19 May 19:29
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I'm also always here~~, sorry disappearing, kind of down lately, didn't use pc since my last post, even have a bunch of threads to read, I'll try to reply this weekend some of what you girls said, and try to show up more too... (>_<)

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Desk War discussion 13 May 04:11
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Okay, Dowman Sayman is known for his mind screw, but it seens that it did all happen because she said the combat happened while she was at school, so she couldn't have destroyed her manga manuscript in her sleep and just imagined it or anything like that, not to mention that Dowman created things weirder than living objects, so I don't see why it's so hard to believe that it all really happened.

As for the supposed pregnancy, the sweat was because she had to run a marathon for phys ed, as for what the stationary said, they said that they will leave the outcome of the war to Asami and that to protect what is born between them they hope a new leader will guide them, a leader probably chosen by Asami, now, I guess this point flew by everyone heads, but she's trying to be a mangaka, they're drawing tools, what is born between them are mangas, they didn't try to mean that a human-stationary hybrid would be born from them raping Asami in her sleep, but that the manga manuscripts she makes that they keep destroying in their war is what is born between them.

In the end her choice was to destroy both factions and to use a laptop instead, the reason she puts her hand in her belly is because she's hungry from not having enough money for food from expending a lot of it either to buy the laptop or the Clip Studio program and drawing tools for her laptop, maybe both, also, she's not using a tablet, what she's using is a drawing mousepad, she says she wants a LCD tablet exactly because Clip Studio is hard to learn to use and drawing in a tablet would be easier than drawing in her laptop.

As for what the story might mean, I don't think it has anything to do with war at all, because not only she was a neutral observer to who they asked permission to use their newly created weapons, but in the end they left the outcome of the war to her hands, which ended with both factions destroyed, of course it could represent Mutually Assured Destruction and how someone else would take their place, maybe Asami could also represent God, but if anything I believe this could an allegory about how a mangaka life is hard, the writing and erasing faction destroying her manuscript could represent how a mangaka sometimes need to give up a manuscript and start from scratch, her stationery wrecked and scattered around could represent how they're used a lot, their new weapons that she denied the use could represent things the mangaka thought they could try but didn't use in the end, Asami getting home tired from the marathon she had at phys ed could represent how some mangakas sometimes have other responsibilities and jobs that takes most of their time and energy and that being a mangaka is something they do on the sides in their free time and might even pull all-nighters just to do it because they love it and can't always have it as their main souce of income or priority, Asami loving her stationary from the bottom of her heart could represent how some mangakas need to take a lot care when using their tools to use them for a long time because they can't always buy new ones, them leaving the outcome of the war to Asami could represent how in the end it's not the tools but the mangaka that matters and who decides how the manga will end up, Asami waking up and finding that the stationary stopped walking around, talking and fighting could represent how eventually their tools will stop working and the mangaka need throw them away to buy new ones, which will make a hole in their wallet and they'll have to cut some expenses, like food, the end of the story basically shows that to be a mangaka you need to endure being hungry, tired, without much money and on top of all that deal with deadlines, in other words this story tell us how being a mangaka is suffering.

Now I kind of wonder why I'm the only one who got this conclusion, if it was because you guys expected something weirder from Dowman Sayman, if no one paid attention to the story, or if I'm the one strange here because I thought too much about it or because of my conclusion, maybe both...

tl;dr: I need a life.

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rifferriko
Where is your avatar from?

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WDTFS fans - off topic 07 May 23:24
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Rainy365

okayyy....
I understand... i understand...
You are too shy to admit it. XD
U may use me...

Or tsudenre, not to mention, how lewd of you two... xD

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WDTFS fans - off topic 07 May 23:20
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Ahaha, not free at all actually..

It never really is, the difference is that one you more for maybe a less shitty place, maybe, no guarantees that it'll be less shitty.

Same here..

So we're both more or less in the same shitty situation, yay? xp

Highfive...

Highfive o/

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WDTFS fans - off topic 07 May 22:50
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I see, guess you can count me in.

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WDTFS fans - off topic 07 May 22:45
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Yeah.. Although i m not satisfied with their unsmart service..

At least it's free, it would be worse if was private hospital and still shitty place. xD

Actually there are minor cases already, but nothing big happened. The government is very slow on preventive actions..

It's still most cases here on Brazil, but the way things are going it won't take long to have a lot more in other places.

Ahaha... take it easy, dude... i dont think gave dumb reply..

Haha, okay then. xp

Lmao.. i m in hospital room... i can take deep breath as much as my lung can handle... xD

I'm home, I also live in a good area, so I can deep breath too. xD

mvl89
What you're talking about?

Also, you two, this place sure is dead today right? Guess when they saw I was back they decided to not post anymore. >8D

Thiaguinho-sama
WDTFS fans - off topic 07 May 22:16
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Yeah if she was taken care days ago, maybe she is getting well now..

Well, now she's being taken care off and that's all that matter, just keep an eye to make sure they do take care of her. xp

Yes, i know, but the viruses were carried by same kind of mosquito, aedes aegypty.. dont know if i spell it correctly

At least here it's that mosquito who carries dengue here, and you got only the last character wrong, it's Aedes aegypti, dengue is not really uncommon here on because of this mosquito, but now it became something even more serious cause it's giving zika virus too, which is worse, no idea how many other mosquitos give dengue, but chances is that it's the same there, just got luck that zika virus is not in your country yet.

Wait, maybe I didn't understand this part correctly, kind of talking with multiple people and doing some other things too, so maybe this part of my reply is dumb, no idea since I'm not thinking properly at this time too. xD

yeahh so much agree with u here.. let us take a deep breath...

Or maybe not, depending on your city the polution is so high that a deep breath will only make things worse. xD

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Yeah, I don't know, I don't think that it's just because everyone expectations are really low, but in part because a lot of people focus solely on Sumin and Sungji fluffiness, and because of that they don't really care much about the rest, a good sign of that is how some people still talk as if Seju is not one of the main characters and is as important as Sumin and Sungji, so as long as the fluffiness keep coming the rest don't matter at all.

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WDTFS fans - off topic 07 May 21:42
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Ahaha... yeahh.. i dont think we can hardly find someone who will volunteerly be taken care at hospital at first persuasion..

I don't know, hard to tell, people can be so unpredictable, some will voluntarily go because they know it's for the best, especially if they know it's something really serious, while others will go in the opposite direction and act as if it's nothing.

i dont think this is zika virus, but regarding her age, i can feel her inconvenience..

Oh no, I meant my country, dengue was already common here, but recently we got zika virus too, which causes microcephaly in babies.

Ahaha developing countries hospitals... pathetic..

Don't forget the schools, police, laws, politics, well, pretty much everything is shit.

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WDTFS fans - off topic 07 May 21:11
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Bc she never get seriously ill before. The last time she stepped her feet on hospital was when she gave birth of me..
She got dengue fever.. not yet confirmed by the doctor, but the lab result convinced me..

I know the feeling, I never got truly sick, I guess I would react the same way as she. xD

Aaaah dengue, that's a very well known thing here in Brazil, and now there's zika virus.

Yeahhh i think patients without being guarded by the family/friend will die here..

I think I can safely say the same about here...