Awesome, we always need more Homura Subaru.

Nosebleed, you know if MAGICAL NIPPLE KISS+ is really the first part in the serie? Just asking because it's the only one with + in the name, so I was wondering if there was one before it showing how they met.

In case someone wants, rzyvbh from Dynasty irc uploaded subs for the episodes.

Discussions on Dynasty never stay on topic for long.

And just for records, I said in spirit, I never did anything, not even kiss or hold hand, never found the right person, so never felt like doing things with anyone just for fun yet, my body is pure but my spirit is rotten.

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Well I identify as dude mostly because I grow up as one thanks to my genital, with time gender kind of lost meaning, because of that I don't always feel as male, female or neither, so I guess I could be genderfluid, sometimes I'm not even sure I feel human, but of course most people don't want to understand so I say I'm male by default out of habit, it's easier, and although I definitely prefer woman I don't really have objection for gender or anything else so possible pansexual too, obviously like with gender I say to others I'm straight cause it's easier, but maybe it's good I'm not a woman, my body would probably be quite used by now, man, woman, animals, objects, anything that moves or don't moves, I'm quite a slut at spirit...

As for my talking genitalia, you guys talk as if that is a issue, it's basically a friend for life with who I can talk and play, problem only when it pukes.

As for talking vagina, there's a manga exactly about that but I don't remember the name, someone knows it?

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bitow, from what serie is your avatar from? That character seens familiar, or if it's original if you have any idea who is the artist.

i found this image in the internet and decided to use it after that, so i'm sorry but i don't know if it is from an anime or not, and i don't know who the artist is too :<

I expected that, thanks anyway bitow.

The thread sure lost it's way.

And what's this about self-inserts? Do all these women who love yaoi want to be a guy and XXX another guy? Do the male yuri fans want to be schliked by a girl?

I'm a male yuri fan, but I hate self-insert, so I can't help you with that.
Self insert with lesbian is relevant when they have to make every girl interested in the (male) mc because they need to raise his ego. So even a lesbian will sometimes fall in love with him. That's why I brought the subject.

That's what I hate most in harem, when they decide to insert lesbian character who magically falls in love with male mc because he's nice.

I would very much like to be a girl and lesbian but not because of the sex

Funny how being a girl would be way better to me because of my personality and tastes.
Everytime I see femminists saying how good it is to be a man because of men's privileges, I wanted to ask them to switch with me, then. Those privileges are the kind I never asked for and I don't want them most of the times, but everyone tries to force them on me.
That's besides the point, though.

True, being a man have it's advantages, but we're hairy, we're expected to "act like a man", our cloths are plain and boring, we can't use cute things or do cute things because everyone will judge us, being a man sucks.

I watched the movie.
Hated it. It's just about a women cheating her wife with the father of their children and all the drama besides it.

It's also the first time I saw that thing about lesbians watching gay porn. I still don't get it even today.
"Oh, but lesbians porn is so unrealistic".
Yeah...all porn is unrealistic. Still don't make sense watching porn with a gender you don't feel attracted to. That's not why porn exists.

I have the impression most lesbians hated the movie, I'll never understand why some lesbian watch male gay porn, that doesn't make sense!

And well, if you identify as a girl, nothing keeps you from being a lesbian.

My genitalia says otherwise.

As someone who read this site, you do know that genitalia aren't necessarily defining your gender, do you?

See Marika. She's a girl. If she liked girls, she'd be a lesbian. No question.

Touche sis, although in my case I'm not sure if I would define myself as a woman, I don't really define myself as a man either, it's more like because how I am I always felt I would be happier as a woman, but I don't have that need to be one so I'm not trans either, not sure how I could define myself.

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Okay I admit what I said was exaggerated, but I never said it didn't had a mental response, I just said sex is not always about how our mind react, it don't matter if we have a positive or negative stimulus, our bodies will sometimes get excited because of it regardless of how our mind responds, the fact that for some people their bodies "enjoy" the rape even though they're hating the situation is proof that body and mind don't always work together and can have completely different responses, the relationship don't always go both ways.

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Who is taking rape lightly? O.O
And in what world is rape enjoyable ? The fack?
I was talking about how rediculous that episode was that's all. I was only talking about what I saw in the episode.
Also something you should know, sex (normal sex) is a mental thing. Meaning if you are being raped (like in this ep) that shit ain't "enjoyable" no matter the amount of times she was being forced (which I only saw one attempt).

Just because you don't see depth and don't understand what's happening it doesn't mean the episode is ridiculous.

If you really believe sex is only a mental thing then you don't have any idea how sex and human biology works, rape being enjoyable because the body reacts to it is a fact, that indeed happen to some people, it's one of the reasons a lot of people feels guilty for being raped and become really screwed psychologically, someone else could probably give a better explanation about the subject than me.

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[...] in that case she would definitely be lesbian even if she had sex with man, but in that kind of period she would probably have no choice but marry a man, which is not the case for the movie as she chose to cheat on her wife with a man, she decided to sleep with a man because she wanted.

I was only using it to illustrate a point: it's about your desire, not exactly who you're sleeping with. Since we have no direct access to other people's head, they could be sleeping with someone of the opposite sex while fantasizing sexing one of the same sex. Or vice-versa.

True, although I don't think that was the case in the movie, but well, we should stop here about the movie, like you said you din't actually watch it and well, neither me, I basically just read spoilers about it so we don't actually have any idea how it really is to give opinion.

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Rather than be a guy I would say a lot of those woman would like to self insert themselves between the guys and have a threesome, as for me at least, I would very much like to be a girl and lesbian but not because of the sex

I'm not sure yaoi fans read it that way.

I know a lot of yaoi fans, some of them are lesbians and they just enjoy it for the kink and for the relationships descriptions.

Of course a lot read because they really enjoy it, but let's not be prudes, just like a lot of man read mangas for the fanservice, be them yuri or not, a lot of woman do the same for yaoi and non yaoi mangas.

And well, if you identify as a girl, nothing keeps you from being a lesbian.

My genitalia says otherwise.

What makes her a lesbian is having enduring attraction exclusively (or extremely biased towards, maybe) girls. You can suppose she's also attracted to men (in general), but the only one who'd be able to say it for certain is herself. Supposing a woman in much less tolerant centuries who was attracted to females but who married a man and had sex (exclusively, possibly) with him wouldn't be straight nor bisexual.

But like I said it's just my opinion, I'm just supposing that she's actually bissexual and obviously that opinion is only about the movie, in real life things are a lot more complex and we can't really assume anything at all, as for the example you used, in that case she would definitely be lesbian even if she had sex with man, but in that kind of period she would probably have no choice but marry a man, which is not the case for the movie as she chose to cheat on her wife with a man, she decided to sleep with a man because she wanted.

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The thing is, most villains in japanese manga/anime are multi-faceted. They are rarely villains "just because", but they have reasons (love, tragic past, mommy issues, whatever...). So, the villains there are made to be liked to some extent, because nothing is more boring than a villain who just wants to rule the world.

Even if they're not made to be liked villains in general tend to be better than heroes, good is dumb after all.

And what's this about self-inserts? Do all these women who love yaoi want to be a guy and XXX another guy? Do the male yuri fans want to be schliked by a girl?

Rather than be a guy I would say a lot of those woman would like to self insert themselves between the guys and have a threesome, as for me at least, I would very much like to be a girl and lesbian but not because of the sex

And where's the yuri in all this?

Yuri has left the thread.

[...] because the character was definitely not lesbian if she slept with that guy so easily.

What. Haven't seen the movie, but if she identifies as lesbian, she's lesbian, that simple.

Yeah she identify herself as lesbian but how many lesbians you know that cheated on their wife by sleeping several times with a man? From my understanding a lesbian would never sleep with a man several times, would actually not sleep with any man at all, specially if they're in a relationship with another woman, obviously it's just my opinion but even if she calls herself lesbian for me she's actually bissexual.

[...] anti-heroes, anti-villains, villain protagonists and others like that are good examples of kind of character a good amount of people hate because they can't identify themselves with even though that was never the purpose of the story or the character.

Alternatively, they hate 'em because they identify with 'em. It's not easy to see the things you hate about yourself on others.

Good point, I forgot about that detail, or the person don't have any taste and no understanding of how stories work and just think they're bad and are trying to be edge and dark, like it was discussed in Happy Sugar Life thread, there's other reasons but I can't remember them now.

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I made a quick search and yeah it's that movie, I didn't expect it to be made by a lesbian, Lisa Cholodenko, but it was not written all by her, she wrote with Stuart Blumberg so I guess maybe that explain the stupid parts, but besides the cheating is the movie good? It supposedly got universal acclaim from critics and in Metascore is 86, I guess the biggest problem is that like most media they basically ignored the existence of bissexuality, because the character was definitely not lesbian if she slept with that guy so easily.

Although without concept of self insert maybe fiction would be better overral I don't think that is the problem, any kind of character could be used for self insert but they almost always use Mary Sue and Martin Stu, japanese fiction is the worst offender in that regard, most shounens use idiot hero that starts as a nobody but become the most powerful person in the world while shoujo is a plain girl that all hot guys fall in love with and later she discover she's actually beautiful, Visual Novels are even worse as a lot of times there's not even a character, no appearance or voice just choices to make, but there is some examples of possible self insert made right, BioWare games is probably the best example of that, Mass Effect and Dragon Age for example, if you want you can easily self insert yourself as the characters, but they also give enough story, choices and depth that even if you self insert yourself it's obvious that no matter how much you imagine yourself in their place you're not Commander Shepard, The Warden, Hawke or The Inquisitor and will definitely never be them, but in video games at least I guess that's a little expected, some types of game there's just no way to make a character with depth so one way or other they end bland and easy for self insert.

I think the worst examples ever of self insert that I can think are probably Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey, Bella is pretty much Stephenie Meyer self inserting herself in the story, aparently it's the same with Ana and E. L. James, they're basically typical desire of some woman of having relationship with some kind of bad boy or tortured dangerous man as both books are pretty much glorified abusive relationships where in the end they healed those men and they're a better person, they also spend a good amount of the story describing them without shirt or naked and how sexy and hot they are, not to mention the characters themselves are overral pretty bland, specially the protagonists who are basically Mary Sues, I don't consider them book, for me they're nothing more than glorified fanfic, although I have to admit, I watched 2 or 3 of the Twilight movies and I kind of enjoyed it, maybe because it don't look so much like fanfic, but you can judge me, it's alright, I have shame in my guilty pleasure...

I think the biggest problem for fiction in general is not if the character is made for self insert or not, but that a lot of readers, viewers and gamers simple can't like the works for what they are, they need to identify themselves with the characters so a lot of creators don't have a choice but make a character people can sympathize with in one way or other and a lot of times that affect the quality of their works, so even if the character was never made for self insert some end up like that anyway because the creator didn't made how the character truly is but made someone people can like, anti-heroes, anti-villains, villain protagonists and others like that are good examples of kind of character a good amount of people hate because they can't identify themselves with even though that was never the purpose of the story or the character.

Okay... I'm the only one who think maybe this post was unnecessarily big?

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So if female sharks can repruduce trough parthenogenesis, does that mean Samejima from Anko-san of the Deep-Sea Fish could do it too?

Well Kanna is definitely some hudrends if not thousands years old, this chapter also made obvious that although she looks and act like a child most of the time she's not really that innocent, chapter 29 and 27 also made kind of clear that dragons, or maybe long lived supernatural creates in general since Quetzalcoatl was a god, don't seen to care about their partner species, gender or age, which makes me wonder if Kanna actually have any sexual experience, she obviously knew what she was doing, Tooru probably have some, or they just know how things work because they're smater than humans, taking in account how Cool Kyoushinsha mangas are I guess it could easily go either way.

bitow, from what serie is your avatar from? That character seens familiar, or if it's original if you have any idea who is the artist.

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Didn't the weather get bad only because she took the jewel and it was reacting to her negative feelings?

Yes it makes sense, not only to satisfy fetish of a girl that is suposedly lesbian sleeping with a guy but fetish that if she's bi you can get a threesome, or that maybe she was not completely bisexual yet and the guy turned her, if they don't do for fetish they do just to say they have a LGBT character and in the end they have a excuse to not make character have relationship with opposite sex, even if the girl don't end with someone she'll have romance with one of the important male characters, besides that relationship they make she make out with countless girls just for fanservice which makes the relationship with the guy be the only real one while with girls it's all meaningless, there's more reasons but I don't remember any now cause I'm sleepy, point is most bisexual characters are either for fetish or to try make LGBT people happy, because of that they're pretty much always poorly made and don't feel like real bisexual, a lot is more like a bi-curious straight person than anything since sometimes the only serious relationship they have is with opposite sex.

As for reputation, I would say only half because of fiction, even though there's a lot of bad bisexual character a lot of people are bisexual but uses that just to sleep around, although you could argue some are just bisexual but not biromantic, in the end the damage is already done, thanks to that minority of people who are bisexual or bi-curious that sleeps with anyone straight people thinks bisexual = slut, by slut I mean both man and woman, and gay people think bisexual is someone who can't be trusted and will be cheated, but of course there's other factors like people who believe bisexual don't exist, ignorance from people who never met a really bisexual person, you could list more reasons but bad portrait of LGBT person just helps to mantain those stereotypes which is why those reputations persist as if they're the norm instead of a minority inside a minority, if they're really bisexual of course, like I said some are probably just bi-curious and it's not really the same thing.

That made me remember a movie about a lesbian couple and the story was about one cheating by sleeping with a guy, which means they say the movie is about lesbian couple when it's actually a lesbian and a bisexual woman, they love to disguise the bisexual woman in the couple cause lesbian couple sounds better and makes easier to sell to LGBT community, that is until she sleeps with a guy, they lose sales to LGBT but win sales with straight males.

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Nezchan posted:

the types of pills i'm thinking of are of the hormonal variety. something you might need to speak with your doctor about.

A few teensy tiny side effects with those, you understand.

There's that too, I heard that using anything hormonal without doctor prescription can have really nasty side effects.

Nezchan posted:

well lucky for you there are two, maybe three options: there's wax for that, a pill and for the more afluent/rich there's always laser hair removal...

There's also mechanical. which works pretty well, and you only have to do it every three weeks or so. About the same as waxing, but without the preparation and mess.

I never heard of it before, I only knew about normal electric razor, thanks Nezchan.

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OriginalGengar posted:

I have a very good explanation for that: Mira felt like doing a story about lesbian mermaids. No point in introducing mermen.

Stop trying to make sense and be a rational person dammit, that's no fun!

ciega posted:

the types of pills i'm thinking of are of the hormonal variety. something you might need to speak with your doctor about.

Well there's always black market for those things, not that I have money for that, same for doctor, guess I'll have to learn to love being a hairy guy.

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OriginalGengar posted:

Pretty sure a lot of it is on purpose. Like, pretty much every lesbian on NBC has sex with a man at one point. Appeals to the straight guy audience which is a big part of the ratings. I think it's more about the media representation of women and men in general. Though that's also kind of sidetracking the thread. So I'm just gonna go and punch people in their respective genitals in Saints Row now.

True, when it's a supposedly lesbian wanting to have sex with a man it's probably always on purpose, then we discover she was actually bisexual instead of lesbian, of course only reason they never said that is to satisfy male fetish of sleeping with a lesbian, it's aparently what they did with in Hannibal, but when it's man I guess it's more in the lines he just didn't find the right woman, unless it's two man wanting threesome with a woman, then it's obviously fanservice for female audience to self insert themselves.

Saints Row eh? You made me remember I still need to play Gat Out of Hell, I wonder if they'll ever make another SR.

OriginalGengar posted:

I don't believe anyone can be turned regardless of sexuality,

Not the point, I was talking about media representation. And I'm not gonna start a discussion on your second point.

Ah, of course, sorry, well that's expected because a lot of writters, specially male, are a bunch of morons who don't know anything about sexuallity and don't even try to make at least a little research as to not do those really dumb mistakes, when they don't do that on purpose of course.

For me about genre yuri is only 1,

Clearly it's 4.

Obviously they're all wrong, yuri is nothing more than lilies.

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Another thing that came to mind, they only mention mermaids, they're supernatural, immortal and are the goddess of the island, does that mean mermans don't exist? So like, they always need a human man to reproduce and that's why they can become human? Or maybe they also have a way to reproduce between themselves...

ciega posted:

How dare you dirty human! I'll be honest though, if there's something in particular about my condition as male that I hate, is the fact we have more useless hair than woman, sometimes makes me feel so apeish, sometimes I want to shave it all off but it's so much work to do everyday...

well lucky for you there are two, maybe three options: there's wax for that, a pill and for the more afluent/rich there's always laser hair removal...

Like I said, even with wax it's too much work, no money for laser, and pills? Never heard of it, link please!

Maybe one of the reasons they can become human is to have easier reproduction? Also, maybe using the power of the jewel they can have a child too?

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Nezchan posted:

Nezchan posted:

Good heavens, they're not animals, you know!

But they're half animals, so they only use half cloths!

How very gauche, coming from a mere ape.

How dare you dirty human! I'll be honest though, if there's something in particular about my condition as male that I hate, is the fact we have more useless hair than woman, sometimes makes me feel so apeish, sometimes I want to shave it all off but it's so much work to do everyday...

knthomsen posted:

Am i the only one who noticed that at the end of chapter 1. She was left on land not able to move.. But in chapter 2 at the start, she somehow end up in the water ? Did she roll or something? :D

Must...make..dramatic! drowning scene! roll roll roll plop

It's obvious she crawled to the water but you had to put in my head the image of her rolling around until she get's there.

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