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People are defending him saying that the criticism stems simply from the fact that he's a man, when the reality is that he's acting as if he can decide for Saho, as if she owes him something for his two years of one-sided flirting. Plus, taking into account the cultural context (as a commenter described perfectly earlier), the fact that he is a man probably does play a role in this, and it's possible the situation would have played out differently if he were a woman. (Of course, given Saho's personality, it could very well have gone exactly the same, but at least there wouldn't be all this —unintentional— pressure from her environment).

I feel like you're reading the narrative backwards.
No one's saying he should get a pass on his pushiness "just because he's a man", we're saying that the cultural context explains his behaviour without intrinsically making him a bad person.

He doesn't "act like he can decide for Saho" at all, he just thinks his feelings are reciprocated because she's never been anything but positive towards him even after he's literally said outright that he wants to be her boyfriend. The fact that he's been allowed to flirt with her so explicitly for two years without getting rejected even once has simply convinced him that she is interested just hesitant about his sincerity, and consequently that what he needs to do is be as frank and direct as humanly possible. (Which is why he's so direct during the confession, he thinks that's what she wants him to do.)

Though yes, he's too touchy with her during the confession, but it's not because he's an asshole. He just misread her signals and thought they were closer than they really were.

Furthermore, no one was saying that his behaviour would've been more accepted if he was a woman in-universe, we were referring to the discussion section here on the forums. That if a woman had behaved like that to another woman, a lot of the people who are calling this man creepy would've been much more accepting of the exact same behaviour simply because it was yuri. (Which isn't a strange bias, this is a place to look for yuri after all.)

I feel that comparing the situation in this manga to the real-life situation of "pressure in the workplace for waitresses" is somewhat misguided. Everyone involved seems like good friends and I don't get the impression that the author intended for the possible pressure of being in their workplace environment to be relevant to the story or the characters' decisions.

As in, I don't think her indecisiveness in rejecting him had much really to do with feeling pressured by her workplace to not be rude to a customer. I think she was just really dense and truly didn't think he was serious with it despite the very obvious and direct approach.

I feel like this is a good summary of the arguments being made. No outright bad people in this manga.

And Saho is a saint.

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^ Bleach (and Mass Effect 3) caused me to have trust issues in anything that's a series. Ugh.

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i would've felt a little bad for kenji if he didn't go for the "if she doesn't want to date me that doesn't mean a woman's fine" line, coupled with that expression. Talk about an immediate bad taste in my mouth, how rude.

No kidding. Went from nice guy to jerk pretty quick.

EDIT: I don't think what Kenji did was bad, though he didn't pick up on Saho's small rejections. The comments at the end, though, were unnecessary. He might still be a decent person, but his arrogance is off-putting.

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ABO stuff usually doesn't work for me, because so much of it becomes focused on ABO itself rather than the people in the story. But I'm gonna give this a try, if only because it's so odd and interesting to see ABO in a manhwa.

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I just kept flipping back and forth between the last two pages of ch102, and laughing at Wanko's face.

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Idk why I love JessiexCassidy or JessiexDelia, but I do.

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It's been dragged out too long now. Don't really care who it is anymore.

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Citrus + discussion 20 Dec 10:07
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Such. Slow. Development. Ugh.

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Eirin x Keine is always a blessing

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School Zone discussion 13 Dec 13:43
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Hiiragi and Tsubaki just annoy me at this point.

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Literally laughed out loud at the credits page.

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This is phenomenal and I cannot wait for more

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Citrus + discussion 22 Nov 03:28
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It happened a year ago in the Chapter July 1st Part 2

A year ago... ouch.

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Idiot couple

Strictly based on the context of the story, I submit "Stupid couple".

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The Dad is great, and almost too relatable

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And history remembered them "Not Just as Normal Friends", but as best friends.

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Image Comments 18 Oct 02:43
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Cookie Run is super gay. From Sea Fairy x Moonlight to Herb x Clover, there's a lot of gay ships.

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"Expensive looking car" lmao

"The inside of an Expensive looking car"

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I love how this was resolved, and I also love how the Club President has a boyfriend.

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I don't mind the directness since there's already been... dialogue between them. But I feel like Kita doesn't really know to what extent his feelings go.

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The Maid, forgetting her past, has got to be the hero who defeated the previous demon king

It's just a guess but I decided to tag it anyway.

I hope the king ends up with either the Maid or Witch. Or both.

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Yoroizuka is a classical INTJ (in Myers-Briggs typology): efficient, brutally honest, and bad at interpersonal relations and assessing others' feelings. Her intro scene is a perfect picture of an INTJ at work: she points out her colleague's mistake, loses interest in her immediately, takes over her work and completes it in 1/10th of the time, before her other colleague is done lecturing her -- which she also has zero interest in. The other example is her complete nonchalance to her GF sneaking into her house: she walked in, saw her standing there, immediately figured out what happened, and lost any interest in the situation. From personal experience, I can tell that 90% of her brain power was still engaged with work at that point. Only when her GF proposed the lap pillow did she mentally switch to the here and now because it was a completely new experience for her. Still, a control freak like all INTJs, she completely ignored the possibility of receiving a lap pillow and instead immediately offered her GF one, remaining firmly in control of the situation.

Myers-Briggs is about as scientifically substantiated as tossing a hand-full of bones and divining the future from them. Judging ppl (or characters in this case, but what you wrote sounds way too elaborate to not be applied to actual living ppl too i'd wager) based on these personality quiz categories is a gross negligence at best. Gives me the heeb's

Stuff like Myers-Briggs I feel like is a nice guide if you're trying to figure something out, but to swear by it as law or unbreakable rule isn't useful. People of the same MBTI, or whatever measure or standard you're using, are not going to be the same exact person.

All that said... I love this manga.

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I need a Charlie-level diagram to figure out wtf just happened.

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Poor dude keeps getting wrecked.