To me this is barely distinguishable from 'Happy Sugar Life'

I mean more power to ya but this literally has only one thing in common with Happy Sugar Life so if it's barely distinguishable to you I'm a little concerned about your vision.

When I saw this on their Twitter (and the other posts with the same couple), I actually thought "Seriously..?!" and got worried coz I didn't want the artist to go to jail or something lol

Loli drawings aren't illegal in Japan. Like, Comic LO is a thing that exists. Literally the worst case scenario is Itou Hachi's twitter gets suspended but they tend to delete anything that'd get them in that sort of trouble pretty fast.

Pretty sure the people who are uncomfortable with it realize that pedophilia happens a lot more than you think and having something be so blatant after how tame Itou Hachi usually is just breaks the illusion they've been going for in their past works. Also like, holy shit Itou has just been making the kids younger and younger, like bruh wtf even.

Otone-chan seems to be about the same age as Mel to be honest.

Also this particular thing is less explicit than some of the Mel stuff.

It's still fine to be uncomfortable and bothered tho.

It's just not an issue anyone is gonna convince anybody about either way, because it basically boils down to, "How much does this kind of media affect people and in what ways?" Media does affect people, but I'm unsure to how much this kind of media has an affect, and arguing about things is emotionally exhausting.

Vent if you want. That's fine. Just know that arguing about it is unproductive.

Figured I'd try my hand at typesetting for the missing half-page using the translation provided here.

https://puu.sh/AXDyj/cdd7dfa204.png

Then decided I'd translate a page that isn't in the Pixiv collection but features these two and is easy to translate.

https://puu.sh/AXCRp/e70788f10a.jpg

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Beautiful short story of Mirei and Mamori

https://bunnimation.tumblr.com/post/171871996967/valkyrie-in-crisis

Did VivianGames on Dynasty write that? Very cute.

I did. Also, I didn't know anyone linked it anywhere, so I didn't think about how changing my Tumblr name would also kill those links.

Here's an AO3 link that works: https://archiveofourown.org/works/13989942

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It should be “Onee-san and I are dating”, not “Onee-san and me”.

it feels more appropriate for the character to say "oneesan and me" in part because it's not fully grammatically correct

since she's a little kid and all

Fyi, it's missing the last page https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=69677032

Translation of the last page from right-to-left:
'Fufu... Oto-chan's mouth is very sweet'
'I can't wait for Oto-chan to finish your cake so I kissed you'
'Aa'
'Umm, if we're going to do "that"... It's okay after I finish my cake'
'It's okay?'

Itou was previously debating whether or not to do an R18 version so it looks like what got posted is either that with the R18 stuff cut out or that Itou is still finishing the lewd parts.

Also I don't think anyone posted the R18 stuff of oneesan with Oto-chan, but if you do a gelbooru search for Itou Hachi you'll get the Master and Mel porn they drew.

As for people disliking that Itou Hachi draws this stuff, that's perfectly fair. It's reasonable to be bothered by this stuff and people should be able to voice that. Tho if you read it before complaining, when the tags make it clear what it is, I have to wonder how much your dislike is real and how much is performative.

Itou Hachi is a woman.
Itou Hachi also probably molested an older woman when she was young and now wants to be molested by a little girl. Or be the little girl again.
It's probably both.

As someone who does actually understand the "people who have been abused by adults having fantasies about being in similar situations again" thing that's a pretty poor reading of this. It's also not good to speculate about a person's history.

For whatever reason Itou Hachi likes drawing adult woman x little girl stories and some porn of the subject as well.

But it's Itou Hachi so it's alright. Itou Hachi gets a pass cause he has a history of producing heartwarming age gaps.

and hardcore porn

the friendly neighborhood oneesan stuff by itou hachi is really good and I hope they put out a full length thing soon

needs an incest tag

I didn't expect this manga to have relatable moments. I wasn't fond of it at first cuz I worried it'd end up being too much like Tsubakuma but this is growing on me.

what a disappointing ending

fuck

Asuka was in her school uniform. The other person was not. Asuka was emotionally distant for a time when this happened.

It's likely she was being sexually abused or raped by a female teacher and never told anyone, and that it was only after that she started perceiving her mother in a more romantic/sexual light. The moment she went from being a clingy girl who was overly attached to her mother to someone who sees her mother in that way. Otherwise her memory wouldn't go back to that moment when asked about it.

Honestly, I hate this twist if I'm right. Both because it's a cheap explanation for this shit, but also I think signals some of how things will be resolved and I hate the idea of that.

If I'm right, Asuka will probably end up with Jun in the end.

As someone who is normally into oneeloli stuff her little rambling about when children are at their most attractive made me incredibly uncomfortable.

i cried the ending narration is perfect

romance was never the point, only gratifying the male otaku who have no interest or stake in the yuri genre

Just as a point of order if you say this basically ever yer making yourself look like a total ass. I mean, we could look at how the mother is making excuses for herself to cross a line that should not be crossed, how that reflects that she herself has some feelings she's not been dealing with, as implied by previous stuff, or we could just write it all off as "well they fuckin' kissed only gross boys wanna see girls who haven't confessed their undying love for each other on the peak of Mount Everest kiss"

Just a bunch of fucking dumpster logic.

Anyway, Protag's dad was in her mom's life for less than a year. Even if yer Catholic I think after like sixteen years maaaaaybe you should be allowed to find someone new. (Tho preferably not your daughter)

you cant cheat on a dead person i checked so its totally okay

except you know for the incest but that's fine

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way to go asuka

I mean there's top and bottom roles people develop on their own as well. It's honestly a really normal thing. I think saying it models het society is wrong?

Some people are more comfortable letting the other take charge in the bedroom. Some people are more comfortable taking charge. It can be a kink/bdsm thing or whatever but it isn't necessarily. A lot of time when people say a character is a top or a bottom, they're looking at other aspects of the character's personality and thinking about how those would influence the bedroom dynamic.

Everybody knows molesting a child is bad, everybody knows that in almost all cases dating a minor or having a large age-gap at younger ages can be problematic. As long as you know this, I don't see the problem with these kind of stories*, they're just wishful thinking - it's exactly because they can't work in real life that people who enjoys them like the whole idea : also, hentai or violent stories aside, those kind of stories tend to be filled with diabetes inducing sweetness.

I guess it's an unpopular opinion and most people will keep seeing those stories as a way to make paedophilia acceptable (since there are still people believing videogames makes you into a mass murdering psychopath) so, in the end, it will probably be censored.

It's complicated because you have to consider not just the effect on say adults who read it but also on children who get exposed to the more "acceptable" stuff on TV and such. And the thing is there are people who wanna make excuses for pedophilia and make it more acceptable. Those people exist.

Whenever this stuff comes up people try to use what they perceive as conventional wisdom, which is really just another way of saying something is your own biases and what you take for granted.

The existence of loli manga and loli fanservice may not turn someone into a pedophile, but it could say dull their reactions to how and in what contexts its presented and how it might affect others. An example of this would be people arguing there's nothing wrong with sexualizing child characters in an anime for children. Could the prevalence of loli fanservice and loli anime fed that perspective? It could have, but we don't know for sure. Just like we don't know for sure what negative affects loli fanservice in children's anime might affect them.

It's complicated and ultimately with the law you have to draw an arbitrary line of where you think the risk of allowing certain speech outweighs the risks of restricting it in a particular way.

A thing people also have to understand is that media doesn't always affect us in the ways its designed to, and it doesn't always affect us as much as we expect it too.

Fight Club is a condemnation of Durden's philosophy. He's the villain. At the end of the day, tho, a lot of people leave that film liking his ideas or thinking he's badass. That wasn't the intent but it ends up being the takeaway for a lot of people.

Nothing is straightforward.

I say this as someone who thinks obscenity laws are often a dangerous tool for government to have. I say this as someone who thinks loli porn manga and such shouldn't be illegal, but that its distribution should be regulated.

At the end of the day, there's a lot we don't know and a lot we don't have studies for, and no amount of "It's definitely bad" or "It's only bad for people who are already dangerous" is gonna change that.

There can be value in even the "bad stuff" too. Victims of abuse who use porn of that abuse as an outlet or a coping tool. I don't want drawn loli porn to be completely illegal because there are people who project themselves onto the lolis in that stuff and it helps them deal with the struggle of living day to day.

Some abusers use loli porn to groom their victims. Some use normal porn to groom their victims. Is loli porn more successful at grooming victims? As far as I know we have no evidence one way or the other. Do we ban because it might be? Do we not ban because we aren't sure? Everything is gonna be about weighing pros and cons and different people are gonna weigh that stuff differently.

tldr: Nobody knows as much about this stuff as they'd like to think they do, as so rather than using their assumptions one way or the other to argue your point, accept that maybe this won't be solved on a yuri manga message board and focus your time and energy more productively.

Like on how adorable Mimika is or how many good gay anime there are this season.

I wasn't around during those times, so what has changed in the anime environment to make it more unfriendly toward those sorts of things?

I don't think things have changed as much as people like to think. There were some laws passed basically restricting how stuff with certain content could be sold IIRC but I haven't noticed much of an affect. It's more that, given the increasing popularity of the medium, and the prevalence of social sites like Twitter, you hear the criticism of this stuff a lot more often. Loli fanservice is still super super common tho. Hell, just look at the -monogatari franchise. That has a LOT of loli fanservice and it's super successful and popular. I think rather than longing for a day when certain kinds of content was more prevalent, it's more that these people just miss the days when awareness of that stuff was super niche outside Japan so they didn't hear criticism and complaints as much.

Hell, I'd go so far as to say that characters who are lolicons are way more prevalent than they used to be.

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calling her "male trap character" is like super fucking transphobic goddamn

A hypothetical question (to all readers): if you are Ayako, assuming you don't want to corrupt your daughter, would you rather send her away to a boarding school, or not send her away and instead seek therapy together? The former probably risks that Asuka engages in self-destructive behavior and might even completely lose it, the latter risks your own safety and reputation. Or just what would you do in general?

I would seek therapy personally while maintaining a normative familiar relationship with my daughter. This after telling my daughter I don't feel the same way toward her that she feels toward me, regardless of whether or not I did.

As for my feelings on this story, I like it a lot. I'm rooting for a romantic relationship to happen.

In the real world, no matter how well intended and no matter how much both partners might want it, it's the obligation of the parent to not go forward with it, not encourage it, etc. Relationships in and of themselves can do harm and cause trauma, and this sort of relationship makes it all that more likely. You can be a good person and have good intentions while still doing harm.

When there's such a huge difference in power in the relationship, the person with more needs to be responsible and say, "Even tho it could turn out fine, going forward with the relationship would be selfish because of the harm it could do to the other person."

This is why even if you may personally know examples of teacher-student relationships or adult-minor relationships that turned out fine and happy, that doesn't make it okay to be a teacher who dates their student or an adult who dates a minor.

The reason a story like this is okay is because no one real is harmed. We can pretend the trauma won't happen, or that even if it does everything will work out in the end. We can, if the story is well written, rest assured that either we'll have a happy ending in spite of the relationship, or that the sad ending will have emotional value.

Stories like this are also appealing BECAUSE they're fantasies. I'm not attracted to my mom, but I love stories about this sort of relationship. I'm not attracted to my siblings but I love stories about siblings falling in love. People are able to call partners "mommy" or "daddy" specifically because they aren't their actual parents. Etc etc.

That's why I think worrying about the morality of the story is a bit silly. So long as you don't use stories like this or Yuzumori-san as an excuse to justify predatory behavior, there's nothing wrong with these existing.

Of course, worrying about the morality of the story is different from, "This is a sensitive/upsetting topic for me and I either don't like how it handles it or I don't like any stories that deal with this."

tl;dr i talk too much

dammit itou

i hope someone finds it and translates it to english