I liked the new girl at first, but seeing her talk about Hinata like an animal really soured the mood...

From the looks of things, she may not have ever actually personally seen or met an ogre before and is just going off old fairy tales. She seems pretty naive and prone to making assumptions

Well, this is a throwback xD
I remember shipping them

I dont know if the dynamic of older woman trying to resist tentation and behave accordingly, and younger one been the persistent and pushing force to getting in a romantic relationship was already made into a series, and even uploaded here, but I really would like one like that, the potencial for something deep and romantic, or just comedy and light drama/slice of life could also be great material with that kind of dynamic.

This is probably the most common age gap plotline if only because it feels the least exploitative. If the older one was taking the lead and pushing it, it would risk coming off as creepy to most people. You mostly only see that plotline in Hentai doujins

^If you enjoyed FGO, 1999 is a very similar experience. Pretty generic gameplaywise but the art style is very beautiful and the characters are cute

^ Never underestimate what people are willing to mix with sex

I don't want to redo an argument I already had in this thread dozens of pages ago, but in that interview Arai basically said the Japanese equivalent of "I don't write yuri, I write wlw." This was then taken out of context by people who hyper-focused on the one word without knowing the history and implications the term 'yuri' has in Japanese that it doesn't in English. Regardless, Arai's Twitter profile literally says "I like love between women," and everything that she has ever written without exception contains explicitly sapphic protagonists. I don't think it's hard to guess where this comic will end up.

Also, I don't understand what you mean by "sexually confusing friendship." Like, if a man and a woman have a "sexually confusing friendship," we just call that "sexual tension." I don't see the utility in yuri fans holding a F/F relationship to such a higher standard than a het relationship before we accept it as legitimate.

Have you ever looked up a trope called "stupid sexy Flanders"? Basically, it's a thing, usually in comedy, where a character feels inexplicably attracted to someone outside of their normal orientation. These relationships don't usually end up going anywhere, even when played serious. The name comes from a scene in the Simpsons where Homer Simpson is bothered by his strange sexual attraction to Ned Flanders

While I don't, personally, think Aya and Mitsuki are straight, I was mostly pointing out why it is not unreasonable for people to feel like this story wasn't going down the yuri route if they don't know the author's previous career. Stories have done the "straight the whole time" thing before

Honestly, I think it's absurd to call this manga "subtext." The beginning is an obvious romance setup, the girls frequently blush around each other, they care deeply about each other, other characters observe they act like a couple, etc. That some people might theoretically interpret them as "just friends" is immaterial; some people interpret Suletta and Miorine as "just friends" and they're literally married at the end of the show. People frequently dismiss F/F relationships as "just friends" due to homo- and lesbophobia, but yuri fans shouldn't add to that phenomenon. If Mitsuki were male, literally not a single person on Earth would think their relationship is "subtext" and they're "just friends."

It looks like I'm locked out of recommending tag removal for this series, but fwiw, I heavily encourage swapping back from "subtext" to "yuri." People have been really weird about this series from almost the very beginning, presumably because it's popular, but Arai Sumiko has repeatedly shown in her previous work that she doesn't hesitate to depict lesbian relationships and I see no good reason to expect that to change in this manga.

It's actually a subject of much debate due to several ambiguous statements the author has made over whether this series should be considered yuri. It also hinges on where people daw the line between yuri and sexually confusing friendship

Worth noting that the Author has said she does not consider this a yuri. While that does not necessarily mean that the leads are not gay, it does imply that their gayness is not the main point of the story. If you're waiting for some sort of yuri "money-shot" you are likely to be dissapointed.

I did recall something of this sort which is why I asked again. Where did she say this?

In this interview
Sorry, there is no official english translation

https://getnews.jp/archives/3299988

Actually nevermind I was underthinking (which happens even more often I suppose). The japanese line could also refer to Aya('s love for music), so it's not necessarily that "aaah... I really do love her!" vibe. Though if she was talking about herself, it most likely would be. I guess TL did their best, I don't know how I would have translated it, it's like two different sentences mixed into one in english - "aaah... I really do love her!" and "I knew it... She really loves it!"

I feel like a literal translation would be closer to "I knew it... it's love" which is a little vague but Japanese speech tends to be highly contextual. It could be refering to her love for Aya, it could be referring to Aya's love for Rock and Roll, ir it could be her realizing that Aya loves her

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I've just been reading the titles for this ever since a couple chapters after the "I'm not a guy" reveal at the concert. I was hopeful that reveal (which was what... 35 chapters ago?) would take things in a romantic direction. And then it didn't, despite how much blushing the characters did in those chapters which was entirely some new form of friendship blushing or something.

And then I saw this chapter's title, and was like "did they fuck yet?" and was mildly shocked to learn that they haven't even realized they're in love yet. My god.

I guess at 4 pages a chapter, 59 chapters is like... 8 chapters of some other manga, so I should just continue to temper my expectations until we get into the hundreds I guess?

Worth noting that the Author has said she does not consider this a yuri. While that does not necessarily mean that the leads are not gay, it does imply that their gayness is not the main point of the story. If you're waiting for some sort of yuri "money-shot" you are likely to be dissapointed

I know it literally doesn't matter, but I'm kinda curious if this drug

A. Just makes you temporarily horny towards your normal sexual orientation

B. Makes you temporarily horny towards the same sex

C. Makes you temporarily horny towards the same sex and also permanently gay.

C would be kinda fucked up, like you just changed the course of someone's life on a whim without consent. It would be unMochi to write that, I think. The drugged male teacher chapter kinda implied B, but it would also be consistent with events if that teacher was in fact actually gay the entire time.

I think the implication is that it just makes you super horny and open to sexual offers without being too picky about things like orientation and gender

I guess Lae was too cool to go with "do it yourself, coward!" xD

Ok I'm sorry y'all I know everyone is going to hate me but this manga is undeniably cringe

It's a story about teenagers trying to sort through their feelings. It kind of comes with the territory :P

Whew, the next chapter looks to be a real doozy and a half!

It's very classic Mochi is what it is. Hard to believe they debuted 6 years ago.

Yeah, it's a very Mochi plotline xD
I feel like its nothing we haven't seen in Kagaya Inn, though, honestly

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I can understand people getting upset over this nurse lady here. Completely out of line and horrible. Now, if she used a rape drug we could share a laugh like at the start of the series.

Comedy is all about the context. In the early chapters, the love potion was being usesd more or less unintentionally and the person responsible was arguably suffering the most while everything was so over the top and silly that you could easily suspend disbelief and judgment

The Nurse scene was played very real, with a student coming to her in a moment of weakness to voice a concern about themselves and the nurse seemingly taking advantage of that situation to have her way with her, which is a common real world problem

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It's a shame, i really liked the chapter until the Nurse did the very no good bad thing. It felt like a genuine kid struggling with the gay feelings in such a real way. Since it's Mochi au Lait I'm not surprised tho, they play loose and fast with taboos and this book is based on love drugs. Wish they could've just talked or gave her a book about masturbation/sex ed instead.

Yeah, it kind of came off like the nurse was a rapist with that ending. A good crushing-on-your-mentor storyline can be great but this went a little over the line, which is kind of Mochi's whole writing style

I have a hard time seeing Kiara as the cool one but this pic is adorable

Jean makes Dad jokes now xD

Kiara distanced herself mainly because the Takamori ship was consuming her brand identity and thought she should take time to establish her character individually a bit more IIRC. It wasn't the massive deal people made of it, though some did take it a little far

Yeah, according to the current lore, Kobo is the adopted daughter of Calli and Kiara, who may or may not be together right now depending on how comfortable they are opening that whole can of worms again xD

i really want an anime of this series!!! but idk if they could license the music ;o;

I feel like there's not enough content for a full series right now with how short the chapters are. Maybe an animated movie adaptation?

Somehow it feels wrong to not have Mumei on top lol

^It's everyone's favourite song after "Gay or European"

I'm just waiting for the prince to show up dressed as a girl and start a love triangle. "Whichever of us seduces Evri will become the true ruler of the kingdom!"

That seems like the sort of fun nonsense this series would pull. Maybe the Prince is Lillian somehow

I'm not really following the conflict. Mitsuki hasn't made it that obvious that she wants to move to the states or not. Joe wanted to, but didn't. The new lady wanted to, and left Joe to do so.

So is she just trying to get Mitsuki to go with her so that Joe follows suit? I can't remember any reason why they'd want to besides "that's where the music is."

From what I gather, Kanna saw that Mitsuki hadn't made a decision on her career yet and saw an opportunity to help her out while also getting petty revenge on her ex by snatching his niece away.

This has the bonus of creating a secondary conflict where Mitsuki will have to choose between a potential major career opportunity and Aya, which is a fairly classic dilemma.