You know, the truth is Sumin wasn't supposed to be a shortie though, it's all Seju's fault for buying Sumin everything but milk.

2) even when she's a bottom, she's still the service and ends up dead tired without a release - at least for the past 10 years she never let anyone do it for her
***that is until Sungji came to her life

This is new to me. Was it presented in the manhwa?

3) she forgot what having fun is
***that is until Sungji reminded her

Oh!

5) she stopped understanding other people to the point she freaked out when she thought Sungji is angry and she went to her hometown in the middle of the night, desperate enough to let the guy use a radio to announce she's waiting for "the person who knows her"

We don't know if she ever used to understand other people or not though.

6) she puked after a strap-on sex

There was this scene too? And how does puking or not have anything to do with emotions? Did she not puked at all before she broke up with Seju? So, after she can move on with Sungji, i.e, goes back to being emotionally healthy, she will not puke after a strap-on sex anymore?

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I know I must be wrong about something, many things.

Dawoon is a "putting her in or taking her out doesn't make a difference" kind of character imo.

I feel like you either like Sumin so much that you don't want to believe that she could have something wrong with her or you like Seju so much that you don't want her to be a bad guy. If you dislike both then i will be confused.

I don't like any of them, and I don't dislike any of them either. My opinions about wdtfs characters change over time according to how their characters are developed. I don't have any unchangeable impression/opinion about them, I don't generalize them and say that those are proofs, neither I ever want to idealize them inyo my personal preferences. It's not because I want Sumin to be emotionally/mentally healthy because I like her so much, but Sumin way of living has proved that she is emotionally/mentally healthy imo. Neither I like Seju so much that I wish her not to be a bad person. She is not a bad person imo. Seeing that you would think of people that way makes me believe that that is how you have judged the characters so far.

You shouldn't have written any serious answer that would make you feel bad about the discussion.

What have proved that she is emotionally/mentally unhealthy?

The day of the 10th years death anniversary of her parents, she was trying to make a move on Sungji using her sad story. She has been purposely hurting Seju for 10 years. She met moleguy and talked back to him just fine. Emotionally unhealthy her ass.

I believe the emotional manipulation thing only works on people who are emotionally unhealthy. But I believe Sumin was not that damaged though; her going back to Seju was her getting revenge on Seju too. She knew what she was doing, and she chose to do it for her own satisfaction/benefits.

How about you say she wasn't drinking wine but an energy booster drink as she had known she was going to be a top? lol Just kidding, tbh, I believe she was scared of Sungji, so imo she wanted to meet both of them at the same time in order to sow more seeds of doubt on Sungji, she might wanted to make Sungji feel like she was an outcast by showing how close she was with Sumin, that's all. I don't think she could plan the whole cheating situation.

Sumin did not drink at all, Seju didn't ask her to drink with her either. I personally believe that her cried so much because that was her 31st time, it's quite a fubar life to have that many breakups, not because of Sungji alone.

It's the same as why Sumin had been going back to Seju 30 times, why wouldn't she do it again?

Why couldn't she do it? It's not like she was afraid of meeting both of them at the same time. How could she know that Sumin was going to cut tie with her and so she could ask for her one last time with Sumin?

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I also don't see the cheating as manipulation. And I don't think Seju crying back then was just an act.

Through out the whole series, Seju has been always a dog waiting for her master to come back on her own. Nothing has changed at all even now imo. She is not that good at manipulating, really. She has nothing holding Sumin back at all. That house thing is unreasonable.

I really don't see how Seju can be considered as a brilliant manipulator.

But just a minute before seeing Sumin sleeping on Sungji's laps, we saw her very long monologue about how confident she was in their toxic relationship.

I don't understand why she tried to sow the seeds of doubt in Sungji. It's not like she could see the future about Sungji being not like any of Sumin's other women.

It's been 10 years, it's long enough for Seju to believe in her relationship with Sumin. I find that not strange at all that she felt like playing cool setting Sumin up with Sungji, an innocent girl, who, no matter how you look at her, would never in a million centuries be Seju's opponent. The thing I don't quite get is why suddenly she acted like a jealous ex gf giving Sungji a warning. So, I take it as that either it was lazy writing, or the word "friend" pissed Seju off so much that she's gone mad.

I think it indicates the fact that Sungji has been successful gone between them. Oh, if I were to add a monologue for each of them, then it would be something like:
Sumin: I've found my girl.
Sungji: I don't regret it.
Seju: It would be great if you don't exist. lol

In other words, this reading of the title is not a yandere's practical intent to literally destroy a rival, but a tsundere's childish attempt to resolve her basic personality conflict by basically wishing it away.

This title somehow gives me a really sad feeling, my guess about it is pretty heart-rending. I hope I'm wrong and you are right about it.

Just the title or the general feeling you get from adult manhwas since most thrive on drama haha.

At first, I didn't pay attention to the title at all, but now that I have had a high expectation on this manhwa because I like the art, storyline, character personalities,..., the title somehow hits me in the heart.

Yeah, Sumin's health seems to be more noticeable, and it kinda attracts people attentions, and makes people who like her want to take care of her. But it doesn't mean that Sumin isn't able to live alone, or she wants someone to take care of her. Sumin herself doesn't care about that that much. She always said that she was not that old.

Seju got sick last time too, she almost collapsed at work, and she didn't even have any medicine at home, she is not better than Sumin.

Just because Sumin always dates someone doesn't mean that she has to have a person to lean on in order to live, nor she will not be able to live alone.

Compares to Seju, Sumin is much stronger, she never said that dating a woman was her only reason to live.

Seju said that Sumin was always in a relationship that never worked out. If Seju was the one who ruined those relationships, she wouldn't have said like that, wouldn't she?