There's no most important main characters, they're all equally important, it's true that now the story is focusing on Sumin and Sungji, but the story is not about their relationship, a happy end can be in various ways, I never said Seju need to end with someone, but you said she doesn't need one if Sumin and Sungji get theirs, but then it would outright go against what WDTFS is about, the healing of Seju and Sumin after 10 years of having their fucked up relationship, Sungji is a main character, but the main plot was always about Seju and Sumin relationship and problems.

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Also this is not Seju's story, even if the main characters get a happy ending she doesn't need one I think.

Since when Seju is not a main character and this is also not her story? And if she doesn't get a happy ending then this won't be a healing story.

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Seju and Sumin will always be part of each other life, aren't they pretty much the only family they have? I can't really see them going apart after all those years, if they already endured that much it doesn't make sense for them to separate now.

As for the flashbacks, I can only think of two reasons, either it is to show how Sumin is finally having a happy relationship again and how that always makes she remember how she was happy with Seju, also making Seju more tragic for still want to go back to those times even after 10 years of wait, the only other reason I can think is because even though she is definitely in love with Sungji, now that she is finally being healed and thinking clearly she will realize that she still loves Seju and we're going to have a threesome ending, just because it seens to not add anyhing to the plot it doesn't mean it won't be meaningful later, give it some time.

I'm still unsure if Seju will end with Nami or not, it's the impression it gives, but like you said MacySan they're not really developing it at all, maybe she'll be there just to help Seju heal or to help threesome ending, as for marriage, her family is trying to force her into an arranged marriage, but they never said anything about Seju finding some guy and deciding to marry him because he's nice as she already lost Sumin, I actually kind of can see something like this happening but to help threesome ending, after all if in any way Seju decides to marry a guy Sumin will be the only one able to stop her.

Although I doubt Seju will die, I can actually see her donating any part of her body if Sumin needs it or just using all her money to pay for any treatment she might need, of course they could heal Seju by making her die happy because she saved Sumin, but I doubt they're stupid to do that, fans would riot.

Actually thinking about how things are going, is it just me or it seens to be giving more and more the impression of possible threesome ending? They also don't see this as a love triangle, Seju is happy as long as she is with Sumin, if Sungji doesn't have problems with it we could easily have a threesome ending as Sumin could go out with both, I actually won't be surprised if we start to see interactions between Seju and Sungji and they have some chemistry making theesome ending even easier, not to mention that everyone would be happy too.

I'm on Team Pink, but I don't mind Team Blonde as long as they give a proper happy ending for Seju, but something that I thought now about the team names, if Team Pink is because of Seju ending with Sumin, Team Blonde is because of Sungji ending with Sumin, does that mean a threesome ending would be Team Black because Sumin is the one that "won" by ending with both?

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Out of curiosity, where does it say FF was originally going to be 50 chapters?

Weeeeell... I remember reading it looooong ago in the thread, would be a pain to find it now, but I remember that someone said that it was going to be 50 chapters but the story was extended to 100 chapters, it's all I remember, I might be mixing it with WDFS, I won't deny that, but their extention was from 40 chapters to 80 chapters, It's a little hard to mix up those numbers, does someone else remember if it really was originally 50 chapters?

And I have to agree that as we're in chapter 66 it's hard to say how it will end, unless Ssamba drags the confession more than necessary. we might have it by chapter 75 or 80, I mean. besides the drama they're having now because they don't know the love is mutual, does anyone remember any drama left? I can only think of No-rae ex-bf with perfect timing that didn't really get a proper conclusion.

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Yeah you're right dofudofu, it started being about Seju and Sumin, but now Sungji is also a main character, but I guess people are forgetting that now that it's focusing mainly on Sumin and her relationship with Sungji...

Layla and MacySan, are you two serious? I might be wrong of course, but as far as I remember the story is not about Sumin, but about Seju and Sumin, about how their relationship is fucked up and how they will be healed, it's kind of silly to ask why they didn't just get rid of one of it's main characters, the story is about Seju as much as it is about Sumin, also, I don't remember well but in the beginning before Sumin x Sungji popularity didn't the story also focused more on Seju? They can't just cut her like any other woman with who Sumin got out because Seju is not like any of them, they both changed each other life forever, unfortunately not for the better, the story is all about how after 10 years they are finally dealing with their problems.

I don't think Seju will go psycho, but I also doubt Team Pink has any chance at all now, really, I don't think Sumin will later realize she always loved Seju and will dump Sungji for her, only chance she have is if Sumin decides to go out with both, which I doubt will happen, unless they introduce a new character Seju will probably end up with Nami, unless that by "healing" they mean turning Seju straight or killing her, taking in account how her life is fucked up, does suicide count as a form of "healing"? : x

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Extensions have ruined good kdramas before because suddenly the writers have to manufacture more drama to fill up the order, I don't want FF to fall into that trap too.

I don't think FF have this problem, originally it was going to be 50 chapters, now it is 100 chapters, so what Ssamba planned could have been nothing more than subtext, I know it's not exactly those numbers, but thanks to the extention we basically got 50 chapters focusing on their friendship and growing feelings, now we're in 50 chapters where they question their feelings and notice they love each other romantically, having conflict with those feelings, unless Ssamba really wants to make them a couple only in the last chapter, that is what might happen unfortunately, if it ends with them a couple at all, with another extention of 50 chapters she could easily show more than enough of their relationship as a couple and deal with any drama it brings, really, FF can easily be a story of three arcs with more or less 50 chapters in each, now if it goes beyond 150 chapters I agree that the quality will probably drop, I mean, after friendship arc, fluttering feelings arc, and couple arc, what else would she do? Married adult life arc? Adoption arc? After all they are still pretty young, but that would probably need a time skip of years to happen which could easily make the quality drop.

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Yes, because I'm totally the sort of person who'd expect it to be a male.

I know you're not that sort of person, but it's good to make clear what you mean, don't forget that not everyone know english well, one missing word can completely change the meaning for them, when you see it we can have a bunch of people whining because you implied het ending for Nico with a producer just like in The Idolmaster.

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I'm cool with Honoka being Maki's second girlfriend, who she stays together with after graduation. Meanwhile Nico finds herself a sweet female producer to cuddle.

You forgot to say it'll be a female producer, but I fixed for you~~

But seriously though, it's a shame it won't go full Yuri, also, I don't remember if it's this LL manga or the other one, but according to mangaupdates one of them has a continuation, it says Second Season in the title.

Rather than them give permission, I actually think they will demand Ssamba to extend it, my memory is kind of bad but I think you're right, for a long time FF was the manhwa with the most reads, then it fell to second place, but recently became the most read again.

Also, I doubt it'll end with just flirting, if anything it'll end when they become a couple, but if it's extended to 150 I bet we'll see them as a couple too.

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(though really there's nothing preventing ssamba from extending it)

There is Comico, I'm pretty sure she can't extend without their permission, from what I remember someone said in the past that they let Ssamba extend to 100 chapters, not that she extended just because she wanted, I think it's the same with Lezhin, Team Gaji extended WDTFS because they got permission.

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The entire season 5 of POI has been filmed and some cast and crew members have moved on to other projects, so they can't change anything now. At this point we're just waiting for the network to stop holding the show hostage and just air the last season already :(

I see, that's a shame, although POI staff didn't do shit and seens to hear what fans say, unlike 100 staff, so unlike pretty much everything else where I expect the worst, I think we can hope that they will give us what we want, if not they will at least do it in a good way.

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The ending where you save Arcadia bay, without spoiling too much, it is longer and you see the effects the decision has and Chloe's funeral. It's well done and very emotional. I watched a youtuber who chose that ending first and I actually teared up watching it. While the one where you save Chloe it's just them driving through and out of the town in the pickup truck. As for which one I think is better, I like the one where you save Chloe, mostly because I'm all for giving the finger to fate and such. Fun fact, depending on your choices you can actually kiss Warren near the end.

Heh, I thought it was going to be that ending, in my case I save Chloe cause fuck everyone else, Bae before Bay! I also knew you could have romance with Warren instead, but by chapter 2 I was already tired of his shit

After fan reaction to what they did in 100 I don't think that they will kill Shaw for good, maybe we'll see her only in the end of the season or in the next season, leaving us wondering what happened, I actually suspect that if they were going to kill her they might have changed their minds thanks to 100, it would make fans really happy and make sure to keep them continue watching it too

Well, I guess that we can say that not everything is lost at least? Javier Grillo-Marxuach did say he will try to gain people trust again in his next work (Xena), so maybe now we can hope that they will do it properly after all the shit they did? Well, technically it's Jason Rothenberg who did most shit, but since it hit the fan it affected everyone, even those who didn't have much saying, from what people say of him I doubt Javier Grillo-Marxuach could have done anything to change that death or make it better, and even if it was possible with the things he say like wanting to make people cry like in Game of Thrones he would probably make fans give up on it anyway, now the question is if the serie will continue or if it lost enough fans to be cancelled.

And melevas, where is your avatar from?

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Not to mention the fact that you basically decide if other characters will die or live, Kate, Pompidou and Victoria, and the others in the tornado that I didn't see yet, so it doesn't make sense being all because of Chloe living, Max has the vision after her first rewind that happens by accident, so it feels more like a warning that if she change things the tornado will happen, especially because technically her power is time and space manipulation, since she basically teleport herself and whatever she have with her when she goes back in time, there's just no way that would not have consequences since they use butterfly symbology and one chapter is even named chaos theory, it makes more sense that the tornado is trying to kill Max instead of Chloe to fix the universe, time, space or whatever she broke.

Rather than saving Chloe or Arcadia Bay, the ending feels more like fighting fate or let it happens as it should, or choosing between Max take responsibility for her actions or undoing them to escape responsibility, and which ending feels like they put more effort into? Which one you think is the better one? For some reason I can't help but see saving Chloe as the logical ending since all the game is about their relationship, especially if they become a couple, though even if it was not the case I would be on team Bae before Bay anyway.

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I do believe that the devs have said that if they do a season 2 it will be with completely different characters with no relation to the first season.

Well I don't really expect a season two, but I did imagine they would want to use new characters and maybe just make some references to the first season, like new main character see in the news about the tornado and basically saying to us if everyone died or not, from what I read part of the reason some people hated the endings is exactly because some of the plot points are ambiguous and can easily be interpreted in the worst way, like how some see that the tornado happens only because Chloe is saved, ignoring completely the fact that Max changes a lot of thing, so seeing it like that makes it easier to think that letting Chloe die is the "best" choice, really, there's not much a better or worst choice, even if you let Chloe die Arcadia Bay is kind of doomed because of Nathan father fucking up everyone, if you assume the casualties were minimum saving Arcadia Bay can probably be the best for them, and from what I read the city kind of looks deserted and not much damaged by the tornado, so I always get the impression that it's just everyone assuming the worst of that ending and only a few really died offscreen, if anyone died at all since you save some people from it...

What I meant was that gay men in tv shows are never killed off like lesbians are. It just feels like "gay dudes can do what they want because they are men, but we got to keep women in their place" or something like that.

Probably because it doesn't matter if they're gay or not, when it's a woman it's always seen as more tragic when they're killed?

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Can we really be sure about that? I don't know how this kind of thing works, but aren't they kind of forced to support each other decisions even if they're stupid and don't like them? After all they do work for the same people, so maybe he didn't have much choice but defend that decision.

That could be an explanation, especially since we now know that Rothenberg just isn't a very nice person. I'm sure some of the writers aren't happy with what happened and how it happened. But I saw the guy go out of his way to answer people's comments, and fan interaction as a TV writer/showrunner is another debate, but he didn't have to engage with people, did it anyway and came across as defensive and kind of an ass.

Maybe he had to go out of his way because whoever pays him demanded it? I never trust much what the people who work in a serie, movie, game or whatever else says because they're kind of forced or at least expected to say only good things and make excuses for any shit that happens.

So why exactly couldn't Alycia stay on the show anymore?

She's in Fear The Walking Dead....

Oh, I'm not watching it, the only thing to fear about TWD is about how bad made it is, I'll still going to watch it though... (>_>)

Behind it all, I think that is the biggest irritation I have with the continued use of this trope. It promotes the thought that it's ok to be a lesbian as long as they don't have a happy ending. Or, the only good lesbian is a dead one. I don't think it's intentional all the time, but it's still there. It only seems to be gay women that get this treatment on tv shows too.

That was one thing that irritated a lot of people about Life Is Strange, too. The continuation of "queer girls don't get happy endings" that's in so much media. Books and comics seem to have graduated from that to some degree, but it's taking a long time for other formats to catch up.

From what I remember in western fiction gay man is almost always used for comedy while gay woman is for drama, as for Life is Strange, from what I read they wanted the ending where Max let Arcadia Bay die to save Chloe to be seen as beautifully tragic and that it is to be ambiguous, so it's technically not Chloe die vs everyone die, they wanted to leave open to the player choice who died or not, supposedly they wanted to show more in the endings but didn't have more money or time to do it, though I just started chapter 4 so I still don't know if it is as ambiguous as they wanted, either way they probably could have done it better, maybe in the future they will fix it with a bonus chapter or a second season, but for now they're making a new game with another publisher, Vampyr that should be released in 2017, so even if they do make something it probably won't be any time soon.

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Hey guys, someone is translating another yuri from Lezhin, Vengeance, they just released chapter 18 some days ago, only 22 chapters, the funny thing is that Lezhin decided to sell it in english like WDTFS, they already released 5 chapters some days ago, and by accident I found they're selling yet another yuri webcomic in english, Her Pet, now I wonder if they have any other yuri webcomic.

And again link to mangaupdates xD ghaaa I hate that web. They aren't uploading things there, only on imgur. That's why updates are also on Tumblr xD Her Pet or like in Korean Lezhin - Her Dog, Vengeance. They also started translating Broken Lily but stopped because other projects had higher priority.

Thanks for the links Alextasha.

So why exactly couldn't Alycia stay on the show anymore? And even if she had to die, are people complaining more about the fact that she died or because of how she died? Either way, even if the serie is not cancelled there might be some consequence to the genius who had the brilliant idea to kill her that way, I mean, if twitter is any indication they did lose over 35k fans in one day...

^ Oh, wait, forget I said anything. The new Xena showrunner is currently working on The 100 and he's been defending their shitty writing decision on Twitter. Dude is not on our side.
I accidentally rubbed even more salt in the wound. I'm sorry, I should have done my research better.

Can we really be sure about that? I don't know how this kind of thing works, but aren't they kind of forced to support each other decisions even if they're stupid and don't like them? After all they do work for the same people, so maybe he didn't have much choice but defend that decision.

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So Rakusa and oguzhan96, after saying all that you two won't even exchange some form of contact? I'm kind of disappointed. (>_<)

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Thanks EvilDevil.

Yuri Guy, you have source of that image of Neptunia? Cause now I want to see more from this artist...

Well, since today is when we have new chapter and Nya-chan is not here to make sadistic comments like some are asking for, I guess it's the perfect time to mention this other yuri webcomic from Lezhin, Vengeance, it's complete with 22 chapters, fan translation is on chapter 18, official english translation is on chapter 5, why mention it here? Well, the story is about the detective Seol-a trying to find who killed her lover No-rae Hara, obviously there's differences in the art style, but yes they do look like Seol-a and No-rae, so I hope everyone will enjoy this alternate universe where their relationship had a bad end \ ( * = * ) /

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Hey guys, someone is translating another yuri from Lezhin, Vengeance, they just released chapter 18 some days ago, only 22 chapters, the funny thing is that Lezhin decided to sell it in english like WDTFS, they already released 5 chapters some days ago, and by accident I found they're selling yet another yuri webcomic in english, Her Pet, now I wonder if they have any other yuri webcomic.

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Rye posted:

...I don't think any Fire Emblem had it.

Awakening did have dual audio. The only other games with voices were the tellius games and that was just for the fmv. cutscenes.

I see, I didn't play them, neither search much about them, so I thought they had more voices, but if it's only the cutscenes guess it's not really much of a problem that it don't have japanese voice option.

Also, the VN Manken!, sold as Cherry Tree High Comedy Club, it was released in 2012 but was localized, the characters names and other things where changed to be "americanized", but in the end of 2014 they released it again but de-localized, basically a proper translation keeping the original japanese names, it's not yuri but don't have any het romance either, so I thought it would be good to mention in case someone could have interest on it.

Fire Emblem Honest Trailer, funny how Waifu Wars: No Petting Allowed is fitting since nowadays a lot of people play more for the shipping than for the battles.

Going by the ernthusiastic reception, I don't think localization and removing the petting really put off very many people at all.

Guess it's not a surprise, translation is the same as previous games and most people probably don't care about the petting, shame they didn't give option to use japanese voice, there's still that third version of Fates that is a mix of the other two and apparently is the one with the canon ending, so I wonder if any chances of having japanese voice for it, probably won't have as always, I don't think any Fire Emblem had it.

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Fire Emblem Honest Trailer, funny how Waifu Wars: No Petting Allowed is fitting since nowadays a lot of people play more for the shipping than for the battles.