Why are people calling this messed up? Sunako has a shitty life. That does not mean she is unable to fall in love. That's really condescending saying that just because she has no one to care about her, cannot fall in love with someone who does finally care about her cuz because it's a complex or something. She's not some fragile glassware that should be sheltered, protected, and barred from making her own decisions as an autonomous individual.

You know what sucks more than making a potential mistake and being hurt? Not being allowed to make a potential mistake and be hurt.

Is it the best starting ground for a relationship? Maybe not. But just because everything is not ideal sunshine and rainbows, that does not mean it is not possible for someone to legitimately fall in love. Love is more than the initial situation from which it spawned.

Oh, I'm really glad when I logged in after forever today I came back to this discussion to see how it had developed. I really like your input on this, it's some good objective insight. "Love is more than the initial situation from which it spawned" definitely summed that up real nice.

I think my initial knee jerk reaction of "omg this in unhealthy" just comes down to this weird idea I have of "If I don't reassure to myself and others that it's unhealthy, I might, or others might accidentally do this to themselves" but it's like you said.

When I think about my own relationships anyways, not all of them started from a healthy place or for the right reasons. I'm in a really good relationship now, where initially entering it I was coming out of some bad neglect and entered for the wrong reasons.

So I like your point a lot, made me think more objectively.

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I'm just curious about the ratio between male and female on this site. Is it 50/50? Also where is everyone from? I remember looking at an image on here and a bunch of French girls replied to that one. Is dynasty just visited by everyone all over the world?

The French girls is probably thanks to all the French yuri releases - Australian here tho

I always get kinda yucked out by guys who like yuri that much

I can empathise with the thought process of being creeped out if a guy is remarking how much he likes yuri - but for me that only used to be if I was A) Scared about how he'll view my own sexuality and that'll impact how he sees me if he doesn't consider real homosexuality/bisexuality legitimate B) Worried once he finds out him talking how he wished he could see it or whatever (keep that to yourself man) C) Fear of sexuality erasure in general I guess??

I've worked through those feelings now and learnt that generally guys won't say such things as I think female sexuality is becoming better acknowledged than maybe the world my dad grew up in based on the warnings he drilled into me as a kid and when he found out about my girlfriends and such. But hey, if guys (and girls) are thinking ~lewd~ things, if it doesn't impact how they treat me and my relationships with girls as serious and more than a fantasy then I don't care.

The moment we start policing fantasies is the moment we open up a whole pandoras box of what could be considered an "ok" fantasy then. As long as the fantasy isn't getting in the way of someones perception of reality it's kinda unhealthy to consider it dangerous or icky? But I empathise if you worry about people going beyond your boundaries or whatever just for their fetish/fantasy/whatever.

I'm probably creepier anyways because whenever yuri comes out in English or I order some Japanese Editions or Yuri Hime I get so damn excited and weird like Yuri Lover-Kun hahaha

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Damn. Totally understand why it got dropped because viva la yuri, though as a bi girl 'tis a little sad; yuri baiting does indeed suck, but I thought this series might be fun, especially from a fave author.

Meh, I guess I'll need to keep it in mind for when I eventually know Japanese & pick it up.

Sorry if this was already asked or silly to suggest, but the option to blacklist more than 5 things could be cool.

Okay, the drama is all well and good but seriously; garlic donuts?! What in the-?!

I'm glad I'm not the only one confused.

Yussss these dorks are back. Love this series <3

Rival!!
Milk Morinaga is so fluffy with sprinkles on teen angst. I feel like some of this is like other series, yet with a nice spin to still keep things interesting? Maybe I'm just biased to love Milk Morinaga works even when I'm like "I've technically read this elsewhere" because I got into her works young, lol. I just like Morinaga's particular flair to things - but I still haven't really identified what that is. Could just be art.

Her art is nice and an important part of what makes her works good. What makes her special to me is that she paces her stories well, with a defined beginning, middle, and end, and she understands the importance of friendship in romance better than almost any writer I've seen. She shows you how and why two people come to love each other, and she sells it believably even using very standard tropes, which most love stories, at least for me, fail to do.

You couldn't have said it better! Woo Moringa Milk woot woot!

Ah that makes sense :) I often find it difficult to analyse things, but what you've said makes a lot of sense ^_^ I think you've hit the nail on the head.

This is too relatable I feel both inspired and depressed at the same time. Though all the unrelatable parts, like some of the mother dynamic things are interesting too.

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No matter how many times I read this; Collectors and Nishi Uko are just too good <3

Would this qualify as a complex?

I'm pretty sure this is the very definition of a complex. Sunako's extremely screwed up, with her mother beating her constantly and her father being mostly absent, she had nothing to grab ahold of; his death upended what little she had, especially with hearing that her mother wishes she had died instead.

When she's moved in with her father's other family, his wife isn't shy about letting her know that the relationship's temporary and that she's to earn her keep. She's moved up from an abusive mother, but that's about it. Only when Yasuko makes her speech on family and what it means is Sunako given something permanent to latch onto. This is, of course, why she takes everything she has to throw at her: calling her on it would risk losing the one thing she's clinging to for dear life.

There's nothing healthy here.

Definitely not healthy. Sunako's independent yet emotionally dependent on her sister, so it feels like she's more latching onto her than actually in love with her since she wants to be loved.

Feels like I havent seen Chie and Ah-chan in so long, they're my favorite ;_;

Same ;u;

I like the combination of yuri and tennis.

We need a series like Saki, but with tennis. And more text instead of heavy heavy subtext.

This.
Sports yuri is fun times, cute yuri is fun times.
Tennis outfits can be quite cute.

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There's something a little unsatisfying about this. Like they didn't really resolve the issues they had.

Yeah, I was kind of thinking that too. It seemed that Fuuko didn't really think Keiko loved as a person but more as her... I don't know, doubles partner considering the fact that Keiko didn't know anything about her. I didn't really see any indication that she did start seeing her actual personality come through... I don't know, I'm bad at interpreting stuff, so maybe the fact that Keiko remembers their end of the world conversation from middle school proves that she does? Regardless, I felt the same way reading this... but at least it had a cute conclusion.

It seemed like Keiko had an infatuated fantasy idea of Fuuko that wasn't really delved into, probably because it's meant to be short. Still, that threw me off a bit too. I think it' a bit like you said because she remembered the conversation proves she realises some stuff? but I still can't help but feel like Keiko still isn't quite seeing her, and that will just lead to Fuuko feeling not appreciated for herself again later. Maybe I'm just in a cynical mood.

Rival!!
Milk Morinaga is so fluffy with sprinkles on teen angst. I feel like some of this is like other series, yet with a nice spin to still keep things interesting? Maybe I'm just biased to love Milk Morinaga works even when I'm like "I've technically read this elsewhere" because I got into her works young, lol. I just like Morinaga's particular flair to things - but I still haven't really identified what that is. Could just be art.

A little confused by all the plot-points and unsaid things over the place. But I guess it's flowing like some real relationships do when communication is poor, so... realism?

@benja

I think the main reason the discussion is coming up is because how the manga itself is making our main character question herself and her inclinations. The story itself isn't going "magical yuri fun time no worries about the agegap~!" - Mimika herself is conflicted about things, so readers also start thinking about the conflict. Idk if that's a really poor way of describing it, but I tried. aha.