When I say for the NanoFate, it mostly means I want to see by myself the development of the anime that lead to the living together + adopting child.
I have friends who are absolutely not into yuri to the point of not being aware that NanoFate is a yuri classic and who went like "Wtf, Nanoha and Fate had a child together ?! Are they dating ?!" while watching the anime. It makes me curious.

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Well, that's the same authors as Mayonaka no accept, can't expect much more. I'm starting to think almost forced sex and not much resolution are this authors trademark.

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There are no such an instinct that make us uncontrollable

Anti-social disorder (psychopaths) would like to have a word with you. But then again, they are broken from the start.

I expressed myself badly :
There no such a male instinct that make us, guys, uncontrollable when we see an attractive women offering herself

For the first one, I wasn't especially replying to you or correcting you. Just giving my opinion, not necessarily contradicting yours.

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Your parents raised you well then! lol
Unfortunately there are men and women who doesn't think and act like you. Some find it acceptable, again depending on the environment and culture they grew up, or just have a weak resolve to resist such temptations. Especially when alcohol and drugs are involved as they have no full control over your actions and desires.

Exactly , it is a choice or a weakness on the individual level not an instinct

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@trafi

I have friend who aren't like that and I don't think I am the weird one and that I'm being naive... am I ?

Well it depends on the culture and environment you grew up. Or maybe you just don't find those women attractive.

It has nothing to do with that, even with women that I find attractive, I'm not like that. Saying that men cheat when they see an attractive women because of their instinct is just accepting it as a reality. It's saying that it normal, it's how they are, nothing can be done about it. But it's not.

There are no such an instinct that make us uncontrollable, it is a choice to cheat and/or to be jerk. The same goes for women.

No one here is agreeing which cheating, we're merely exploring the phenomenon.

However I didn't met more men cheating for no real reason than women. I don't think women cheat differently than men. But I do understand why Evilnemesis would said that.

They do, it does increase with age. Why do 40s married men still go for one night stand and youngins while their counterpart go for long term affairs? Because they wisened up and want a more fulfulling relationship, they want better, they know they deserve better. This is what I mean when I say cheating differently, if you ask around or look some things up you'll find that I'm not lying. Like Nez said, it's not biological for the most part but it does not matter where the difference comes from only that it exists for the debate. Unless you want to "fix" the issue of course, which we obviously wont achieve here on the interwebz.

What I don't understand is why people make it a fact that men are bestial being who only follow their instinct... instinct that essentially says WOMEN!! HOT!! SEX!! x)

Because it's true! Err... wat?

The only thing I truly disagreed about is that instinct thing : men cheat more because of their instinct, because they can't resist or can resist less than women

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One day I will watch Nanoha... just for NanoFate x)

This might sound stupid, but maybe, just maybe, she didn't want to, or have never slept with the guy (or any guy), and the guy gets frustrated because his needs are not being met so he cheats on her with another person. I have met this kind of guy so I'm just thinking that maybe that could be the reason. We have assumed that Seol-A might have opened her legs to some guys, but judging from how clueless she is with kyung-woo's intention, and how she easily let a guy inside her apartment, I'm starting to think that she really is just an innoccent girl. But again, I might be wrong.

I did consider it, but at their age would such thing really occur? I think it's just because it's yuri and everytime there's some form of het sex fandoms flip tables. So we will probably never truly know, it will stay vague.
But I have to say that in some panels when she touches No-rae through the series is so sensual and she seems to be able to do it quite easily without blushing or anything. This tells me she knows things, y'know.

As for her cluelessness, it's odd, sometime she's on the ball being quick to discern things but sometimes she's pretty dense. I'm not really sure what to make of it.

The angry ex is another weird moment, from his texts he was clearly quite upset. Maybe she never believed it would end up in a physical altercation. I'm not familiar with Korea so feel free to correct me but I would think using violence, especially on a woman, would be most frown upon by the public at large. Japan is like that, it would explain why she felt relatively safe even though she didn't really want him there.

All in all I don't think she's a virgin but it's not really important for the story.

I don't think she never had sex with him but even if it was the case, it's not what is important. He was upset because he had no control over her, she went out with him for the sake of dating or just because he asked and never showed affection for him. He the kind to want to be dominant and "own the female" but he couldn't really have her... hum, I don't know how to say it... emotionally ?
That's how I took it

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@trafi

You've not seen the women I've seen x)

LOL you sure you've just seen them? :P

Yes I prefer to watch from afar. x)

I don't have some bestial instinct that make me jump on a women when she open her legs, on the contrary I tend to annoy me. If a women try to seduce me fully aware that I'm already in a relationship, I tend to react very badly. So no I don't have any sympathy for men who cheat (neither do I for women who cheat)
However I didn't met more men cheating for no real reason than women. I don't think women cheat differently than men. But I do understand why Evilnemesis would said that.

What I don't understand is why people make it a fact that men are bestial being who only follow their instinct... instinct that essentially says WOMEN!! HOT!! SEX!! x)
I have friend who aren't like that and I don't think I am the weird one and that I'm being naive... am I ?

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• He's a guy, men cheat way more often when nothing is terribly wrong in the relationship. It's a generalization but is true for the most part. Most women that cheat on their partner is because of over time neglect in the romantic department. How often will you see a guy get the "What the fuck were you thinking" talk?

You've not seen the women I've seen x)

takachi

Seol-a has three brothers. The one who used to live in the apartments she stays now is Hyeong-woo (re-read chapter 7 - Seol-a mentions that in her dialogue with Ji-hwan in the car). The one who gives her a visit in chapter 12, who No-rae mistakes for Seol-a's boyfriend, and the one whose car Seol-a's taking is Jin-woo. So I assumed she's taking the car from Jin-woo's garage.

Are you sure? I mean, because I think the brother we saw in chapter 12 is the same brother we saw in chapter 31. The car seems like the one we saw in ch. 12, their interaction is practically the same plus the earring.

That's what she said, only the brother who lived in Seol-A apartment (which we've never seen I think) is a different one

More

You know, I still haven't got a clue why people think this is a het ending. The two who supposedly got married didn't interact at all in the epilogue, and the build up literally on the pages prior was pretty much stating that the two sisters were getting together. Just, can anyone enlighten me as to why this is het? I just don't see it...

Supposedly got married ? Who else could she have married ? Seeing how the guy got annoyed by the sisters kissing, I personally see it as she married the guy without it being a fake marriage of convenience and kept her special relationship with her sister. The two relationship are different and they are important to the big sis, so everyone adapted and they all had their "happy ending". Plus there was no statement of them getting together as in they are the only one for each other, just that they both ended happy because they stayed together.

So I do think it ended with het... actually, the fact that she married a guy is enough for thinks there is het. Note that there can be yuri and het together in a manga.

And if it is a marriage of convenience, I find it even worst.

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I've seen comments (not necessarily here) calling No-rae a bitch or saying she's a bad person (as if they've forgotten every single chapter leading up to the recent ones) but, I believe she's mainly afraid. Fear and a strong desire to protect an already fragile heart can make a person say and do irrational things. It doesn't make you a bad person, it makes you human. And I love that ssamba portrays these emotional layers.

Just to clarify, I said :

Looks like No-Rae is being a bitch >.>

I agree, it may be a bit much but it didn't meant No-Rae is a bad, wicked or mean person and that she did that by pure evil. It just meant that at this precise moment she did something "bad" and cruel (though she had her circumstance)

This is so wrong! This is against God's will.
Maki should be in the middle.

True

I bet on No-Rae pretending or trully to go along with the rumors and criticize Seol-A for being easy with men

but why would Seol-a then remember those two girls who tried to befriend her for benefits?

They were talking about her behind her back and seing her as superficial. The fact that they didn't see (or want to see) her as a friend hurt her as bad as them trying to get benefits.

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It's normal in Korean culture to go out to drink in a professional way with all the hierarchy, it's a way of socializing. I had a teacher who went to Korea when he was a student for studies and internship at a research department and he did sometimes went to drink with his teachers/superiors.

Yeah, I heard about it, but I assumed it happened naturally, like after class, during the week. It feels wrong to have a party with a professor on Sunday night - he has to do the lectures next morning and others have to listen, you know ;)

Yeah may have been a special occasion

Looks like No-Rae is being a bitch >.>

yeah, don't tell me she said that she just used Seol-a to get to Ji-hwan or something in order for Seol-a to start hating on her.

I bet on No-Rae pretending or trully to go along with the rumors and criticize Seol-A for being easy with men

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Good question. I don't think it's very likely though. I doubt they'd have a party with the professor on Sunday night. That sunday evening Seol-a was wearing glasses and drinking coffee at home, reflecting on Hee-jin's words. Besides, how did they get the professor out with them?

It's normal in Korean culture to go out to drink in a professional way with all the hierarchy, it's a way of socializing. I had a teacher who went to Korea when he was a student for studies and internship at a research department and he did sometimes went to drink with his teachers/superiors.

These kind of drinking "party" is something they do very often and that is seen as a normal and good thing to do. May it be with just classmate/coworkers or with teachers/superiors

Looks like No-Rae is being a bitch >.>

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Why this story have yo be on haitus?
Can't wait for the next chapter tobe update.

The magazine it was published in was stopped but the author said she would continue this manga one day

This was a really interesting challenge to translate. I've not had much experience with long-form translation in quite a while, and then I wanted to keep the 'children's book' feel to the language as well...

How'd I do, d'ya think?

I'd throw away all the "-chan"'s. And replace Lin's "Nya" w/ "Meow".

Personally I feel like I lose a part of the information about the characters' connection between each others when the honorifics are dropped. I've seen teams who just drop all of them and even go as far as replace a character who is reffered to as "senpai" by the characters name and maybe even other things I didn't noticed. So when I don't see them, i don't know what else have I have missed for the sake of total translation.

The honorifics are meaningful and untranslatable. When I see words like baka or neko, I can be annoyed but not the honorifics.

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They were destined to become a cute married couple of butchers, it was totally obvious =D

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Love the tag. When I search for nice image the JPG artifacts are essential =D

I didn't realize that the french ones were ahead of the english ones... great another reason for me not to prepare my exams x)

Haha love the change of time x)

Well, I find that the competitive behavior is more like her character so I understand the modification for the basketball match

Edit : I assumed the english one was from the volume but I might be wrong... If I am then I don't understand the modifications

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Trafi

Did you see the new GotW update?! Things are fiiiiiinally heating up with the girls! and Jaegu is finally going to be taking things seriously.

Yeah that's great, the story is moving on and Dal-Dal vs Queen will be so badass... but Queen will have Jae-Gu and I so don't like the new guy for Dal-Dal T_T. He's like a perfect, normal and boring version of Jae-Gu... Her cute point is how she's alway overexcited and moody but with him it will be calm and boring
She should get someone like Moon-Young instead, they became so much closer and a TsunTsun relationship is much more interesting

Didn't even fight =D

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Earlier on the thread we were discussing about Neptunia and the Uni x Nepgear pairing. Well, i just found about one game (I think is Neptunia U) where Gear outright says to Uni that she loves her

http://a.pomf.se/pdnfxn.webm

It's probably U, in Mk2 and R2 Nepgear is the main character and gain Lily Level with the other girls, from what I read in U you can do that with all girls not just Nepgear.

I watched it, Nepgear uses daisuki and call Uni tomodachi, and Uni uses suki, isn't suki and daisuki used between friends? or they're also used romantically? could anyone who knows japanese explain the difference?

Generally when you see a character who doesn't understand that he's being confessed that's because the one who confess use "suki". In a shoujo manga if a guy/girl is confessed that way, he generally know it's meant romantically... unless he/she's supposed to be the extremely naive and innocent type.