Looks like somebody didn't finish their drafts in time.

Yeah, about that.
Was this on purpose or the author really dared to publish "unfinished" work?

To be fair, it happens, I've seen much worse examples in other manga. They usually clean it up for tank releases.

wut ?? really ?? i thought the author just can't keep up with the deadline, not just "sketchy", they even transparent at next pages lol

That was my initial reaction but if you look closely you'll see they are the only ones drawn like that (and just at the beginning).

I think it's probably more likely that the pages weren't illustrated sequentially, so some are finished and others aren't. Your optimism is adorable though.

Pressure doesn't have to be aggressive or violent. Ruki took advantage of Sachi's passivity and her situation to get her into bed. The fact that Ruki was motivated by True Love makes her sympathetic, but it doesn't make the whole thing not kind of gross.
Sachi should have spoken up. So should Ruki. But you're not going to convince me that a part of Ruki wasn't being strategic about not speaking up, especially after some of the stuff she said to Remi.

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It's just... it's really hard for me to read what you're saying and not see it as including an aspect of "Ruki deserves to date the good, feminine Sacchan she had a crush on, because she was so loyal and so patient and stewed in silent pain from her longtime, hidden love."
Y'know, this kind of thing is usually dumb, but imagine RUKI is a man. Secretly in love with his best friend, he waits until like five minutes after she's had a painful breakup before confessing and (innocently!) pressuring her into a fake non-relationship she clearly isn't into. Instead of talking to her about it, he goes through with sex while she's listlessly lying there, not enjoying herself.

People have been accused of over-empathising with Ruki, but I think you're preoccupied with reducing Sacchan to a victim. Sacchan had clearly been hurt by her ex cheating on her and it must have made her feel inadequate. Sure Ruki sprung the fact that she liked her at a vulnerable moment, but she was trying to make her feel better about herself as much as anything, by letting her know someone out there still loved her and thought she was worth loving. I don't think it's wholly inappropriate to say that Sacchan took advantage of Ruki's feelings to make herself feel better. She even says "I was happy that she was serious about me" and "I was very happy to hear you say that you loved me". I think you're vastly over-estimating Ruki's emotional intelligence to think she was consciously capable of manipulating Sacchan in the way you're implying. Ruki had never been in a relationship before and didn't really know what to do, while Sacchan clearly brought her baggage from her previous relationship along. Neither of them were blameless, but honestly, I do think Sacchan was more to blame for how things panned out.

I didn't know Dynasty could be so hostile about a manga before.

I envy your naivety.

ColonalCat pretty much gets it head on. Sachi doesn't show remorse because she found something about herself during her fling with Remi, and she shouldn't be sorry about it. She can be the strong and assertive type of person instead of being so submissive, whereas Ruki has always been timid and fragile - there was no way she was ever going to be the strong person she wants to be. Sachi doesn't apologize because there's nothing to apologize for; she knows what she did hurt Ruki, and in a way her revealing this information is almost like an apology without the bland "I'm sorry"s. She wants that cleared up, and wants Ruki to know all of it before they even step into becoming girlfriends.

I understand your reasoning, but I still think it's wrong. She says she wants to protect her, but so far she's the one who's caused her the most harm. I think being aware the she hurt her means she should apologise even moreso. She doesn't have to be sorry about all of it, but I think she should at least feel bad for the emotional pain she inflicted on her.

When she asks her sister if she's okay with her having a girlfriend, I see that as a huge important part of Sachi's growth as a person. If she kept it a secret and pretended like they were friends, sure, you can call her an asshole. But she doesn't; she wants to make sure her family is fine with it.

This did give me a little hope for the future though.

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violent

Not violent, wrathful. There's a distinct difference.

Oh okay! I wonder if that sort of means that she wanted to take it out on Ruki for having being cheated on by her ex-boyfriend.

Lil bit. Wiktionary defines it as 'extreme anger' and I always think of it as lashing out in all directions, wanting to inflict pain on others because you can, out of some real or imagined slight. Ruki is just an unfortunate sod who got caught up in it.

violent

Not violent, wrathful. There's a distinct difference.

it's helped her grow

Apparently not enough to actually regret the hurt she caused to someone she's supposed to care about.

I take back what I said earlier though. Sacchan never set out to hurt Ruki. She just didn't care about Ruki, or consider her at all in her actions. And honestly, finding out you've been caring so much for someone - friend or a lover - who is apathetic towards you in return is more painful in a lot of ways than someone who did it purposefully.

Eh... to be honest, If I was Ruki, I would have forgiven Sacchan as well. if she only did it once, and it wasn't anything serious, I'd just blow it off and forgive her for it. I'd be hurt of course and probably a little annoyed as well, but I wouldn't destroy my relationship by telling her to go fuck herself and leave me a lone or whatever. I just don't tend to hold grudges or get in a serious rage over things...

But she fucked Remi every day for a month. I think that's something worth getting pissed about. She could have just slept with her once to have an epiphany about enjoying sex and then gone back to Ruki with her newfound knowledge, but she chose not to while fully aware that what she was doing was wrong and was going to hurt Ruki when she found it. Even how she told her seems worked to cause as much emotional carnage as possible.

A truly terrible ending. Fuck this series. I'm pissed I started it and I'm pissed i ever had faith in it.

Yeah that was pretty dumb of you.

Well Chapter 13 was a little disappointing
"I slept with Remi, it was fun. It also helped me realize I want to protect you."
At least get a little mad that your girlfriend just said that cheating was fun...

Honestly, it could've been worse. And I don't really think Sachi meant it that way.

She doesn't even apologise.

Because the scanlators have lives that don't revolve around impatient readers.

But why can't they ever think of us tho

Nothing's going to happen to us.

Nothing is happening with us, there is no us.

I've always wondered about that.

Something's whispering me that there won't be any actual healthy yuri, only subtext...

Just wait until chapter 13. It will come. THE YURI WILL COME. JUST WAIT ANOTHER 5 YEARS FOR TRANSLATOR TO ACTUALLY GET TO IT BECAUSE OF ALL THE BREAKS.

THERE'S 13 CHAPTERS. WHAT THE FUCK. WE'RE ONLY ON NUMBER 5.

If I start studying now, maybe by the time the last chapters come out I'll be able to understand the raws anyway.

http://status.yuriproject.net/needs-ed.php

That wasn't a jab at YP incidentally, I totally agree with the 'be the change you want to see in the scanlation world'. I just didn't realise there were 13 chapters on top of all the extras. I have considered lending a hand with qc/editing, but I'm really shy about interacting with people online. Despite the apparent contrary here.

If I start studying now, maybe by the time the last chapters come out I'll be able to understand the raws anyway.

Something's whispering me that there won't be any actual healthy yuri, only subtext...

Just wait until chapter 13. It will come. THE YURI WILL COME. JUST WAIT ANOTHER 5 YEARS FOR TRANSLATOR TO ACTUALLY GET TO IT BECAUSE OF ALL THE BREAKS.

THERE'S 13 CHAPTERS. WHAT THE FUCK. WE'RE ONLY ON NUMBER 5.

Honestly? that scene where Ruki has sex with Sachi is a way bigger punch in the gut for me than anything Remi's done. If you can read that and still see Ruki as purely innocent here, then you're reading this manga way differently than I am.

Yeah, that scene has always made me feel so deeply uncomfortable. What makes me laugh though is the "Things became unclear between us.". I think things were already pretty unclear.

But when I really think about it as well, I've been the Sachi in relationships before. (Not that I've actually cheated on anyone.) I've gone out with people because they were into me and I didn't dislike them and it made me feel good to be wanted. And in the end I hurt them, because they had feelings for me that I didn't reciprocate. When we broke up I felt bad for hurting them, but never sad about the relationship coming to an end, and really, that was all on me, I think. I don't see what my Rukis ever did wrong really, except hope for something I couldn't give them.

Man, I just had the shittiest epiphany ever.

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This might be tagged as "non-moe" (art), but I find it more moe than a lot of other works on this site.

Must be that 'gap moe' I hear them talking about. >.>

Interesting, thanks, Is this from a interview with Amano? Gonna reread the thing with this in mind.

I think it's from stuff at the end of the tank? anon mentioned something about chapter 14, but I'm not sure if it's the afterword or what. I reread it too and it really made such a difference to the impression I got from the story with and without knowing.

Hm... I don't know, for a while now it's been evident that the girls have been kinda parting ways with Remi without saying anything.

While she hasn't exactly ditched her or stood up to her (other than this latest chapter I guess), Ruki doesn't actively go out on a limb to interact with Remi. I mean, even Meru doesn't seem to be as close to her anymore, now that she has Maasa and her secretary thing going. As for Asuna, we hardly see what she's up to now, but maybe she's focusing all her attention on the daycare; either way she hasn't been seen with Remi in a while.

So while they haven't caused a scene to call Remi out on her actions, they're slowly growing out of the little clique they initially were in at the beginning and moving on with their lives. Maybe they just don't feel it's necessary to confront someone they know is never gonna change. If not for Sachi, I think Remi would be completely alone (with the exception of her booty calls, but I think that's a different matter altogether).

I hadn't noticed this at all til you pointed it out, but it's pretty true. I've had more than one friend over the years who I chose to drift away from because they were more trouble than they were worth dealing with. (I don't doubt I've been that friend on occasion either though.)

Whoa, calm your tits, onee-samas, everyone is awful just like Remia stated, and that's normal, nobody is ever perfect.
anyway, based Remi! I can't not like this magnificent bastard and the self-contained way she brags about her machinations. This woman really has some surreal power over her surroundings, as if she were some mysterious creature. Confirmed for most vivid character among those who actually conduct the role of a plot device, in that as soon as she is the driving force behind all these entangled stories of our characters, still there is a strong and outstanding characterization of her personality.
And yes, kids, this is Pride. That's what she looks like. Make sure not to do as she does! if you don't have the guts to be feared by everyone and handle the reputation of worldwide bitch
About the rest of girls, well, let's see.
Ruki pretty much confirmed for Envy given that she always looks to the sides never actually paying attention to what's right before her, wants to do everything at once instead of doing what's the most important with all she's got. Driving a car is nice as analogy: she doesn't watch the road before her eyes while lookind left and right/indulging in thoughts.

I already pointed out that this was wrong earlier in this thread.

From the thread on /u/, thank based Kawaii anon:

Alright, for those who cared to know Amano's thoughts on the characters, here's the whole list:

Ruki = Pride
First name: Lucifer (Luci). Last name: lion.

"When I think of how many times she got her pride crushed, she ended up becoming quite the wimp in the end. Her hair style resembles a lion’s mane."

Sachi = Wrath
First name: Satan (Sacchan -> Satan)
Last name: Wolf

"When I think of wrath, punishing people by punching them always comes to my mind so I made her a violent character.
The ends of her hair are pointy, making her resemble a wolf slightly."

Fueko = Sloth
First name: Belphegor. Last name: bear

"I thought of her as a hibernating bear. Because she is lazy, she keeps her hair styled as a bob so she can style and trim it at home without the hassle of going to a hairdresser."

Asuna = Lust
First name: Asmodeus. Last name: goat.

"It seems like Yagi-san’s letter never reaches its recipient (vol 2). I thought of making her pupils more wide and rectangular like a goat, but it looked really disgusting so I dropped the idea. I feel that girls with monolids look cute too."

Maasa = Greed
First name: Mammon. Last name: fox.

"At first, I had initially created a scenario where she racked up a huge gambling debt, and saved herself borrowing her parents’ money. I think handsome, rich girls with talent are simply the best. She’s actually the youngest one in the group."
So, Maasa is probably her favorite.

Meru = Gluttony
First name: Beelzebub. Last name: pig.

"When I first tried to design her character, it resulted in an empty, broken girl clinging to a fake smile. My editor said, 'She must be really ill…', and that decided it."

Remia = Envy
First name: Leviathan (Levia). Last name: snake

"She is not envious of others, but she enjoys having others be envious of her. She is the oldest one, so she acts like an older sister, but is in reality the type that can’t grow up. She has the pupils of a snake."

Can anyone confirm what Sabu is thinking of doing with Harumin? Last I heard, Harumin was in contention for Yuzu's top girl spot---and not in just the platonic way

We don't know yet but I think it's going to happen.

Where was this indicated?

spoiler: Ruki deserves her for letting her.

Ouch. my precious bb ;_;

At least with Happy End, you saw the ending coming, but I agree, it was a pretty terrible (and illogical and random and confusing and just completely out of fucking nowhere) ending.

I think saying you could see it coming and then stating that it came completely out of nowhere negate each other. But I guess as a series about incest you could probably expect it not to end happily. I did still hold out some hope - I liked their romantic relationship considerably more than that in Sakana no Miru Yume. And then my hope was dashed against the salty rocks of mandatory heterosexuality.

The only thing Sachi complains about is that Ruki doesn't tell what's troubling her (Fue and Asuna breaking up) or when Ruki is preoccupied with other things and not listening (Meru's AV).

But she also says at the end of chap 10 that she's sure there a better girl out there for Ruki. I think she's still got some major issues from her exbf. Reading it as well, honestly, it doesn't seem like Sacchan really wants to be in a relationship with Ruki. She seems to like Ruki and appreciates that Ruki loves her, as in so much as it makes her feel good about herself and she clearly has some inadequacy issues, but I don't recall if she ever actually expressed a romantic interest in her of her own volition. Even when she talks about them having sex, she talks about it as if it's just something you have to get over and done with when you're going out with someone. Maybe she was fucking around with Remi because she was hoping she'd get caught and then she'd be able to get Ruki to break up with her. She's been really passive up until now. (Except for those occasional violent outbursts.) Even when Remi is accusing her of being a LUG, I don't feel like she's agreeing because she's actually straight and knows she's just experimenting. But moreso because she knows what she's like and she accepts that she'll probably take the path of least resistence which is to settle down eventually with a man and have a family. Either that or she wants Remi to make her feel terrible, because she feels like she's terrible. I think I'll have to see the next/last chapter before I really make up my mind there.

And then when Ruki confronts her she realises how much she really loved her all along and she's sorry for everything and they all live happily ever after because Ruki's a doormat for her.

Then again, what the fuck do I know. It's making me increasingly impatient for the next chapter though. I wanna see how shit goes down.

ETA: Also, worst end ever is still Happy End. soz.

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Also, /u/ anon messed up first, go check the thread again. Ruki's apparently pride, Remi's envy.

What thread, this one? Can't find it here.

Huh. I kind of like Ruki as pride. Her ego keeps her from communicating well with Sacchan (because it might lead to rejection) or from giving up. Interesting.

But Remi as envy is not great. I think it's pretty trite if she's really motivated by wanting to be innocent and loving and emotionally involved with people, like the others are. Like "ohh, she's really just sad deep down!" Boring.

So MAASA is greed? Hm.

Ahhh, sorry, I thought you were getting them from the Recent Releases thread on /u/, someone from Kawaii was sharing some quotes about the characters from chapter 14. Remi as envy is explained pretty succinctly there.

"She's not envious of others, but enjoys having others envy her."

whoa, all the confusing rage.

Seems to me that Remi's being presented as a person with good intentions and a vile nature, so she's being beneficent by being awful. She wants to disrupt the passivity that's ruining Sacchan and Ruki's relationship. Sacchan will go along with anything because the alternative for her is blind, unhelpful anger, and Ruki never believed that she had anything resembling a chance, and she's wanting to put off the rejection as long as she can.

I admit, I don't understand the apparently common belief that cheating in a relationship demonstrates a reprehensible, rotten, and unfixable moral core. I mean, I wouldn't like it if it happened to me, but I also figure that it's something that takes place in the context of a relationship, and so it's up to the partner to forgive or not. Regardless, a lot of character nuance seems to be glossed over by people who are just mad about the cheating.

Oh, and so Ruki's officially envy. That makes Remi.... greed? Makes sense.

I'm hesitant to form any lasting opinions yet, because there's still two chapters to go, but I can sort of understand what motivated Sacchan's behaviour - that doesn't mean it wasn't incredibly shitty though. I don't think one indiscretion means the end for a relationship, particularly if they're willing to discuss it, but she apparently fucked Remi behind Ruki's back for an entire month, and in general has just been a shitty fucking girlfriend. But I don't think that means she's an awful person. Most people's first relationships are training wheels relationships, where they figure out how to be with someone and deal with doing shitty things to someone you love and having them done to you. But I think in this regard they've gone past the point of no return and should each cut their losses.

But I know they won't, clearly, because Ruki is stupid over Sacchan.

Also, /u/ anon messed up first, go check the thread again. Ruki's apparently pride, Remi's envy.