Wouldn't that be boring if there wasn't over exaggeration? I guess it depends on the degree of drama you are willing/able to take. Simple situation and plain reaction can be good, but perhaps they are more fitting for SOL stuff. I think I expect more dramatic stuff when I see the drama tag.

I mean, in my mind, drama is supposed to make you cry of joy and sadness, to make you scream of rage and frustration, cringe of embarrassment, figuratively speaking, of course; the point is to make you feel something and react, exaggerated situations/traits are good for that. I guess there is a limit to what amount of drama one can take. Perhaps I'm confusing drama for tragedy.

I've read many times people complaining about how stupid a character is, as if it was a bad thing; or whatever other flaws they could find (toxic, etc.). I think those make good characters for dramas even though they would make despicable human beings outside of the story. If they have good reasons to be that way, it's okay in my book.

I'm curious now, what is a good drama for you?

I think you're confusing drama with melodrama a bit there. Drama can just be serious stories in more realistic settings with a lot of conflicts (as opposed to SOL, which is low in conflicts), while melodrama is where everything is highly sensationalized to draw out strong emotional response. Tbh, you can trigger emotions in the audience without over-exaggerate everything. It's easier for me to actually feel something for the characters and the situations they're in when they feel believable & I can actually relate to them. Over-exaggerating characters' personality traits just make them stop feeling like humans, only some plot devices/drama elements/walking archetypes, hence I can't take them or their situations seriously (this works in comedy that requires serious suspension of disbelief). A certain level of exaggeration is fine since fiction is still fiction & 100% realism doesn't always make for a good story. But just over-exaggerating everything only makes everything feel cheapened & forced, especially when the setting and presentation of the story are pretty down-to-earth. (There are works that are pretty surreal in nature and depending on how consistently it is handled, over-exaggeration can be justified in those. An example being Oyasumi Punpun)

Good drama, for me, are ones that know how to properly pace its story & subtly build its characters and their situations in order to immerse the audience in the story that is being told through them. When you come to really get to know and care for the characters as people, you will feel something when they have to go through conflicts, or drama, be it subtle or drastic. The drama preferably shouldn't come out of nowhere just for the sake of putting the characters through shits and making the story "more exciting." Good drama situations should just come out naturally from everything that has been building up in the story so far. Here are some examples of more down-to-earth drama stories that I personally enjoy from the top of my head: Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu, 3gatsu no Lion, Bloom into You, Poor Poor Lips (starts off as a comedy, but does have drama later on), etc. I experienced all sorts of emotions watching/reading these, not because of over-exaggeration, but because I really care for what the characters were going through.

I guess the fact that it makes people react so much means it's a good drama, somehow?

If getting your blood boiled over how over-exaggeratedly dumb/retarded/toxic all the characters act & over the infuriating/ridiculous situations they get themselves into is what you look for in a drama, then sure, NTR is certified quality drama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP54J3XeOwY

My teeth rot at the bridge moment.

I think the latest Aho OP broke me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0JsruJFKvs

AOTS for sure.

GUNNM live action coming.......yay......meh
when the hell there going to be new anime dammit!!!

Can't wait to see how they'll butcher one of my fav manga ٩( ᐛ )و

Y'all gotta watch HinaLogi, this show isn't subtext anymore.

Show proofs for research purpose.

That french kiss was so powerful it made Yuu intensify her sexual attraction and awoke her romantic feelings. Touko's tongue is truly something out of this world.

Hope she is as good with her fingers as she is with her tongue so she can please our girl ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I know that Yuu agreed in chapter 6 but she didn't feel attraction and just did it out of curiosity. Or did she feel desire? That comment about Touko's eyelashes and the way she was squeezing Touko somehow parallel the scene in chapter 16.

How I see it is that Yuu has always found Touko to be attractive based on look alone since they met, but as emotionally disconnected as she is, it was hard for her to understand & admit any sort of attraction. Her being curious about kissing Touko is then a normal thought someone would have towards a person they're attracted to. Chap 16 after the magical french kiss & Yuu's gay monologue, it's basically a confirmation (& intensification) of her sexual attraction to Touko that was kinda already there since the beginning.

Anyway, I guess people think best kiss was in chapter 16 but for me it's chapter 22 :^)

Ch 22's kiss trumps ch 16's any day.

What if they actually do it before resolving their issues? I can totally see Touko going for that given that she's pretty horny, and Yuu wanted to touch Touko in ch. 20, and in general volume 5 has shown Yuu acting on her desires more and more so far.
Not sure if I'd like that though. After they become a couple would be more romantic

I prefer them doing it after they become a couple myself. More romantic as you say. & I think the possibility of them doing it before is low since 1) Yuu still doesn't fully understand her sexual desire for Touko yet (but she is beginning to have thoughts as seen in vol 4) & currently, she's more focused on helping Touko than jumping on her & 2) Touko is becoming less & less as impulsive about her horniness & more considerate of Yuu, which is a great sign. I want these developments to come to a full bloom at the GBS™ when they become an official couple & have mutual consent. That is, if they do actually end up together.

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At least all of that lead to Yuu holding Touko in her bed.

I'd call Chap. 22, pgs. 26-27 some pretty advanced-level "holding." :-)

Just call it the great bed scene for now until the next great bed scene comes along.

I want a bitchfight. Nothing too big or stupidly dramatic though.

Same. I want the catfight just so I can see the calm & collected Yuu getting upset enough to slap somebody.

But a clue has been given with the two figures of Yuu and Touko, that are on sale in Japan about a LETTER(?) So whats in the letter from Touko to Yuu?

Did they say they'd give a clue to the plot in the letter? I think it's unlikely, but I do rlly want to read the content in it though. Since it's Touko, I'm imagining it'll be something corny but sweet & maybe a bit horny as well. Hopefully, someone will share it once it's out in October. Preordered the figures on AmiAmi, but the special set with the letter is Japan-exclusive, so can't get my hand on that.

probably no sex scene, I'm afraid.

Top 10 manga betrayal

If only on the phone - remember Yuu was promised lots of new lines to remember

No doubts Sayaka is going to be seriously pissed off about the updated script in public and will afterwards attack Yuu in private. And of course Sayaka will call Yuu a rival. Most definitely Yuu is going to deny everything including any possible feelings towards Touko. Obviously Sayaka will then kiss/confess to Touko in front of Yuu. Naturally Touko is going to get confused, especially after the play will get her brains messed up enough. Of course it's the jealousy and possessiveness of Yuu that will make her question the nature of her feelings towards Touko. Of course it's going to end happily establishing Touko x Yuu as canon.

This is too much of a cliche shoujo romance situation for this series. No offense if you want this development to happen, but personally, I hope Nakatani will steer as far away from this as possible.

@riverFlower The snips in your quotes made me chuckle. Also great posts on Sayaka. I agree that while Sayaka has an attitude sometimes, she's not the kind of petty person that will try to sabotage Yuu (like bullying her or kissing Touko just to spite her) when she finds out about Touko & Yuu's relationship.

You already briefly talked about her motivation and how while she does want what's best for Touko, there's still a bit of insecurity & selfishness mixed in the somewhere. She talked about it in ch 12 how she wanted to keep the status quo because she knows Touko can't handle romantic relationship & needs Sayaka's friendship to support her, but at the same time, keeping the status quo also helps her remain by Touko's side & be the closest person to her. Currently, these two interests are not in conflict with one another. However, the moment she finds out about Yuu & Touko's relationship, they will be. Sayaka will have to face the question of whether she wants what's best for Touko or whether she wants to remain the closest to Touko. This internal conflict will probably lead to her trying to confront both Yuu & Touko (individually) in some form to make sense of their relationship. Currently, Sayaka still believes that what Touko is doing is what's best for her. Although recent development in ch 23 does seem to show that this belief might fall apart sooner or later. The expression she made here, IMO, seems to be her slowly realizing/considering 1) how close yet so far away she is from Touko (as Touko still hasn't trusted her enough to open up completely) & 2) how Touko is not fine in her current situation at all. I think these confrontations (& maybe her own observations) will help Sayaka to come to the full realization of the extent of Touko's problem, which will lead her to let go of any ego/selfish interest she may have & join Yuu in helping Touko. Yuu & Sayaka working together (after their little catfight) is the ideal situation I personally hope for.

Also, along the way, she'll come to realize how much closer Yuu & Touko are to each other & how she has no chance & so she'll give up :^)

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What do you guys mean? This series (at least the prequel) single-handedly delivered some of the sweetest moments in yuri history ever. Remember this & also this. So it's not that unexpected, right?

PSP is the lewdest handheld.

Good one lol

It is a sex scene, right?

"Where admiration leads." Definitely to the infirmary hospital bed ofc.

since people are mentioning a possible confession from Yuu, do you think Yuu will admit her feelings (at least to herself) naturally or some big cluster fuck will be necessary in order to make that happen? personally I think the latter is more likely

A comet fragment hits earth & directly onto Touko's house. While attending senpai's funeral, Yuu admits her feelings.

Oh & since the PV is brought up, just wanna say that the voices for Touko & Yuu are pretty spot on. Hope they'll keep these voices if the anime ever happens.

^^ I know there are some people out there who like yuri for the "forbidden" aspect & doesn't like it if the setting is where everyone is gay or where the GL is viewed as normal. Don't get it either since the purest form of love should be recognized by everyone.

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Because it's arousing

Because it's cute.

Moe Moe Kyun!

This. I was hoping for the cute option, but it wasn't there.

No idea how Sayaka will affect things. She loves a Touko which isn't real. I hope she finds a way to break out of her stasis too.

Sayaka is very perceptive so she'll probably get suspicious that Yuu is up to something when Koyomi tells everyone about the revised script. I imagine that she might confront Yuu before Touko does & maybe even start getting protective of Touko? & then we'll get to witness the catfight of the century. Maybe.

It could go either way is what I'm saying. It is quite possible that Nakatani might be writing from an experience she had since I believe (?) that Koyomi is the character that was loosely based on herself. (Can't recall who or when this was reported.)

Yup. Nakatani said Koyomi is her self-insert in this interview: https://pastebin.com/mv1p5Dja

Would be really interesting if this chapter is actually based on her own experience.

And you're right, it is not going to happen. :[

I don't expect several chapters focusing on Koyomi's story, but I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually get a special chapter that gives us a glimpse of what happens afterwards (whether she'll make it far in the writing contest or not & whether they'll see each other again)

Uhh didn't she just indirectly tell Maki she is rewriting the script in her text by accident?

It's not Sayaka or Touko, so she's good. Can't wait for their reactions when school starts again.

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TL: http://www.mediafire.com/file/zm9x7tvn1qyoz7j/%5B4s%5D_Yagate_Kimi_ni_Naru_-_25.zip

It's actually a nice chapter for one that focuses entirely on a side character. Going back to the gender expectation theme with Koyomi finding out her author crush is actually female, instead of an older man she believed her to be & based her taste off. Being male or female shouldn't affect your view on who they are or what they do or even your admiration of them is what's getting across here. The experience helped her got out of her writer's block though, so we'll see how it will affect the writing of the new script.

Random thought, does Maki have no LINE icon or is that human blob his icon?

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My complaint is directed at the art style, not the animation. Ofc, that is subjective though.

Well, I know you won't like, what you don't like, but this should shed some light how much that art style was important for animation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBH3IYRjaw

I do know that simpler art style is what helps boost the animation quality of Pokemon SM. Doesn't make me think otherwise about the SM art style though. Never said it looks low-budget or lazy, it's just unappealing to me. That's why I said my complaint is subjective.

Though gotta admit that the reason why I don't like SM style is because I'm not that keen on design changes much as pointed out in the vid, especially with something like Pokemon, which I'd been following since forever. Had problems when they changed Ash's eyes back in BW & wasn't very fond of the slight hair change in XY either (but those were minor changes so I didn't react as strongly as with SM)

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Really? Because SM has a much higher animation budget than the prior series.

My complaint is directed at the art style, not the animation. Ofc, that is subjective though.

What is wrong with your faaaaaace

SM was a mistake. A mistakeeeeee.

No guarantee it won't be another music video, but yeah

Worst case scenario.

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Raw: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5290664247

Huh, the last thing I expected was an entire chapter focusing on Koyomi.
The new script is complete & the title is "Kimi Shika Shiranai" (the meaning is being discussed to either be "I don't know anyone but you" or "No one knows but you"). I'm so glad Nakatani didn't make the title "Yagate Kimi ni Naru" lol Was dreading that.
& they still haven't told the rest of the gang about the changed ending yet. So, play at the beginning of vol 6, hopefully?

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It's fine if no one cares, but YagaKimi just got 4th place (& was only 27pts apart from 3rd place) in the 3rd annual Upcoming Manga Grand Prix ranking: http://tsugimanga.jp/result/2017/comics/

In this ranking, 50 ongoing manga under 5 volumes are chosen as nominees and then online voting is taken place over a period of 1 month. There were several yuri & yuri-ish titles getting nominated this year: http://tsugimanga.jp/nominate/2017/comics/. The ones that made it include HSL (13th), Oshi ga Budoukan Itte Kureta Shinu (11th), Shinmai Shimai no Futari Gohan (9th), & YagaKimi. Kuzushiro's work, Ani no Yome to Kurashite Imasu, also made it at 15th but I heard that it's yuri bait so uhh... rip.

Edit: Forgot to mention, quite a few titles that made it in previous rankings have gotten their anime adaptations, so fingers crossed?

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