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joined Sep 27, 2014

"Is it just me, or was the whole “clarinet/nimble fingers” thing sort of lewd?"

There was that earlier bit where she told Kasumi to sit on her face instead, too, you know.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

"Is it just me, or was the whole “clarinet/nimble fingers” thing sort of lewd?"

There was that earlier bit where she told Kasumi to sit on her face instead, too, you know.

Yes, I’m quite aware. Nobody was drunk this time, though.

I get the feeling Sakurako spends a fair amount of time googling, um, lesbian cultural mores.

Asagi_d4
joined Feb 23, 2017

I dunno, guys, this manga seems kinda gay to me.

Tag%20rock%20snake
joined Aug 16, 2014

"Is it just me, or was the whole “clarinet/nimble fingers” thing sort of lewd?"

There was that earlier bit where she told Kasumi to sit on her face instead, too, you know.

What, you've never told your gal pals to sit on your face platonically?

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joined Apr 1, 2018

Baby's Breath = Kasumisou

Are we gonna ignore the fact that apparently Sakurako is literally thirsting for Kasumi?

joined Jul 26, 2016

I dunno, guys, this manga seems kinda gay to me.

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joined Mar 8, 2019

Baby's Breath = Kasumisou

Are we gonna ignore the fact that apparently Sakurako is literally thirsting for Kasumi?

She’s been thirsting since chapter 1 but it’s nice to be reminded.

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joined Feb 3, 2013

Chapter 52 was a competition between Sakurako and Moka to determine who was the thirstiest.

And between Ruriko and Kasumi on who could act the most indiferent.

Baby's Breath = Kasumisou

Are we gonna ignore the fact that apparently Sakurako is literally thirsting for Kasumi?

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/a_room_for_two_ch38#11

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Harumin
joined Jun 1, 2018

I dunno, guys, this manga seems kinda gay to me.

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White%20rose%20index
joined Aug 16, 2018

I sometimes feel that Kasumi must be blood-related to Yasuda-sempai from this manga here.

Haha. It's amusing that you picked that scene as an example, because the exact same thing actually happens in this manga (in the pilot episode, the "chapter 0" of the series). Sakurako is thinking about how Kasumi is so beautiful and so popular with the guys, always receiving love letters and invitations and whatnot, and starts worrying: what would happen if one day some bad man tries to assault Kasumi? Would Kasumi resist and escape!? Or would her superhuman laziness stop her from even putting up a fight???

She decides to put it to the test, and mock-assaults Kasumi who is on the bed having a nap. Kasumi doesn't resist at all, and Sakurako breaks down in tears -- wailing that Kasumi is WAY TOO LAZY, and that one day a real molester will have her way with her, and it's all so sad and tragic, and and and... And, at that point, Kasumi cuts in and says: "What are you talking about? Why would I resist your sexual advances? If I was against it, I wouldn't sleep in the same bed with you!" Which leaves Sakurako totally flabbergasted, heh.

I've noticed a lot of people tend to forget that scene when discussing the nature of the relationship between the two girls. Then again, since it was in the pilot, maybe they don't take it as canon?

Rereading that pilot, I didn't find anything that go against canon. In fact, it should be the real chapter 1 of the series. It starts with Kasumi narrating the story, then the POV slowly shifts to Sakurako, and the conclusion seamlessly connects with the beginning of the first chapter in volume 1 (where the first page replicates exactly the first page of the pilot, only this time from Sakurako's narrating perspective) which then switches to a flashback.

In retrospect, it was kind of a waste of time, all the debate about whether Kasumi and Sakurako are or aren't lovers who have sex 'n stuff. I mean, thinking back, already in chapter 0, we had Kasumi saying that she was ok with banging Sakurako. "Or else, I wouldn't sleep in the same bed with you!" Those were her words, loud and clear.

I guess she could have added: "Duh."
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Avatarblax2
joined Jun 12, 2015

So... Sakurako totally ate that ice cube afterwards right ?

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joined Oct 22, 2018

Chapter 52 was a competition between Sakurako and Moka to determine who was the thirstiest.

I think Sakurako won that competition, not barely, but not by a long shot either.

And between Ruriko and Kasumi on who could act the most indiferent.

While in this competition, I think it was a tie.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

I like how the bonus chapter really portrayed how exhausting the start in the work force is. How Shouko wouldn't let anything on until Seri reminded her of how much fun and relaxed those school days were. She is there to support her and that's all that matters.

And chapter 52 proved that Sakurako being overly defensive of Kasumi is such a natural sight that people simply continue their conversations without even minding it lol
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/a_room_for_two_ch52#1

I've noticed a lot of people tend to forget that scene when discussing the nature of the relationship between the two girls. Then again, since it was in the pilot, maybe they don't take it as canon?

Rereading that pilot, I didn't find anything that go against canon. In fact, it should be the real chapter 1 of the series.

The Pilot is not canon. It is a proof of concept, nothing else. We really don't need wishful thinking for a series that is already overtly gay.

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ItsTimeItsVaderTime
joined Feb 7, 2019

The only thing I have to say about Ch. 52 was that I was surprised to learn that clarinets could be part of something called a "brass band" considering that it's a woodwind instrument.

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joined Oct 22, 2018

The only thing I have to say about Ch. 52 was that I was surprised to learn that clarinets could be part of something called a "brass band" considering that it's a woodwind instrument.

Well... Even though saxophones are made of metal, their structure is similar to the likes of oboas, clarinets and flutes, so saxophones are also counted as woodwind instruments, despite not containing any wood (well, the same "woodwind instruments, despite not containing any wood" thing also applies to flutes, but you get my point), so a woodwind instrument being in a brass band isn't nearly as far-fetched as you'd expect.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

The only thing I have to say about Ch. 52 was that I was surprised to learn that clarinets could be part of something called a "brass band" considering that it's a woodwind instrument.

I think that there’s the “official” definition—there are brass band clubs and competitions, etc.—and then there’s an informal “band consisting of instruments you blow into rather than instruments with strings, and which plays brass-band music” idiom. Clarinets definitely fit in the latter.

Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

Is it just me, or was the whole “clarinet/nimble fingers” thing sort of lewd?

I think that was the point. People who play instruments often have very nimble fingers (percussion can fuck off I guess). Nimble fingers are like magic for lesbians.

Hey, waaaaitaminnit. Have you even SEEN a drummer work those sticks? You wanna talk about nimble fingers...

Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

The only thing I have to say about Ch. 52 was that I was surprised to learn that clarinets could be part of something called a "brass band" considering that it's a woodwind instrument.

Well... Even though saxophones are made of metal, their structure is similar to the likes of oboas, clarinets and flutes, so saxophones are also counted as woodwind instruments, despite not containing any wood (well, the same "woodwind instruments, despite not containing any wood" thing also applies to flutes, but you get my point), so a woodwind instrument being in a brass band isn't nearly as far-fetched as you'd expect.

Actually, Saxophones are classified as woodwind because of the wooden reed on the mouthpiece. The distinction between brass and woodwind in an orchestra can be pretty well split up by the style of mouthpiece. The exception is actually flutes, which (usually) have lip-plate style mouthpieces that don't have wooden reeds.

But "brass band" is kind of a vague term. It can refer to a military band, a marching band, or certain types of jazz bands, and a Clarinet wouldn't be out of place in any of those. It's hard to tell from the context what type of band they're talking about, too. She says she'd have a hard time playing in front of people, so you get the impression this is a little private group that plays for fun, which seems more likely for a jazz band.

That said, https://www.theclarinet.net/History/cleveland-brass-metal-clarinet.html It's not like clarinets can't also be made of brass anyway.

White%20rose%20index
joined Aug 16, 2018

The Pilot is not canon. It is a proof of concept, nothing else. We really don't need wishful thinking for a series that is already overtly gay.

The pilot is as canon as canon can be.

And Tadokoro-san is still a great series, no matter how much you hate and insult it.

You really need to stop confusing your personal likes and dislikes with universal truths.

Avatarblax2
joined Jun 12, 2015

While I'm pretty sure the conversation in the pilot happened at some point in the main story, the pilot itself can't be considered canon. Most pilot one shot are never canon the their serialized version, and this one is no exception considering the little difference you can find compared to the main version

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joined Jul 29, 2017

I agree that there’s nothing in the pilot that’s incommensurate with the rest of the series, so to me the argument about whether it’s “canon” is rather beside the point, but I don’t agree that Kasumi’s reaction to Sakurako’s “pouncing” is a definitive statement of specifically sexual interest.

I take her “Why would I resist?” response as an actual question, one of her standard “I need a compelling reason to do more than I want to do, which is nothing” questions. So the “this” she’s “not against” is basic skinship with Sakurako. The situation is Sakurako’s (supposed) testing of Kasumi’s reaction to being “attacked,” but obviously Kasumi doesn’t read Sakurako as a danger, since she’s just doing what they normally do, only in a more uncomfortable (to Kasumi) posture.

When Kasumi asks,”Do I have to do something like that?” about pretty much anything, a person better have a pretty good answer ready, or she’s going to go to sleep. Or, as in this case, back to sleep.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

The Pilot is not canon. It is a proof of concept, nothing else. We really don't need wishful thinking for a series that is already overtly gay.

The pilot is as canon as canon can be.

And Tadokoro-san is still a great series, no matter how much you hate and insult it.

You really need to stop confusing your personal likes and dislikes with universal truths.

Are you just trying to get a rise out of me with that nonsense?
On the off chance that you are not, please think before typing. If the definition of a one-shot pilot in manga wasn't contradicting you enough, the idea that this could be the first chapter is even more laughable. I'd suggest re-reading the series. The pilot cannot happen at the start of the series, for it skips almost every development it had.

You still seem upset about your own misunderstanding in a different conversation. Get over it. Move on.

I agree that there’s nothing in the pilot that’s incommensurate with the rest of the series, so to me the argument about whether it’s “canon” is rather beside the point.

It doesn't contradict the overall theme of the manga, as it is the core idea of the story crystallized in one chapter (hence proof of concept), but it is clearly off from the dynamic that the actual serialisation established. Sakurako is way too forward, when their relationship actually started out much tamer and changed over a long period of time. Their personalities are off too. It simply doesn't fit into the canon, even if it treads closely.

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67413148_p0
joined Jan 22, 2016

Oho, next one is already ch. 53. I'm so looking forward to it. One of my favs in the manga.

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

I agree that there’s nothing in the pilot that’s incommensurate with the rest of the series, so to me the argument about whether it’s “canon” is rather beside the point.

I'd say it's a standard part of the series. When serialization began, the author made an effort to make everything in the series fit with the pilot -- even the small details, like Kasumi's dress in her first meeting with Sakurako. In numbers, the pilot should be chapter 0 of the manga, thus as "canon" as the rest of the chapters.

I take her “Why would I resist?” response as an actual question, one of her standard “I need a compelling reason to do more than I want to do, which is nothing” questions. So the “this” she’s “not against” is basic skinship with Sakurako. The situation is Sakurako’s (supposed) testing of Kasumi’s reaction to being “attacked,” but obviously Kasumi doesn’t read Sakurako as a danger, since she’s just doing what they normally do, only in a more uncomfortable (to Kasumi) posture.

Imho, we'd have to assume Kasumi is way more dense or spacey than she actually is to make that work. "If I was against this, we wouldn't be sleeping in the same bed." Sakurako knows Kasumi is ok with skinship, and Kasumi knows that Sakurako knows, but this time Sakurako's behavior and reactions are wildly different -- and there's no way a girl like Kasumi wouldn't realize what the whole scene is about. Heck, even an obtuse boy who just turned into a girl would get it right, as shown in that example that was in the OP.

But I do understand that ymmv.

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

Is it just me, or was the whole “clarinet/nimble fingers” thing sort of lewd?

Hehe, the magical fingers of a musician, one of the oldest clichés in the book.

As demonstrated here by Suzi Nielsen from MA3. Thank you, Miss Nielsen.

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