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BlueDsc posted:

I admittedly haven't read a ton of Yaoi, but I've seen it in a fair bit of what I have read. It's usually portrayed a bit differently than Yuri though, with it being more "I've never thought about being with a guy before" than "but we're both guys!"

Yea. I didn't really see many myself either, but initial reaction of "I couldn't possibly like him, we're both guys" was common enough. Even if they'd usually give in much faster and just start fucking like rabbits (usually with Seme usually pretty much forcing Uke to admitting he likes him), but initial hesitation and denial is there usually.

Kimika3
joined Jan 1, 2019

I do not subscribe to either "classic" or "modern" tsunderes being more prevalent, as the trope is so overused it has infinite variations across media. This, however, is completely incorrect. Claire is a classical tsundere archetype especially once Rei manages to worm her way into her life properly. At first she is supposed to be the villainness, the bully, but quickly it's basically Rei who is bullying her with affection, which Claire does not respond to well. She has strongly negative reactions without the dere in the early chapters, but very quickly more and more dere sneaks in there, while she still acts in abject denial of her growing feelings.

The further the arcs go, the more Claire drops her tsun. She may have one of the most clean progressions as far as tsunderes go. If you get hung up on the superficial appearances like this, then I am not sure if your judgement towards tsunderes is very well thought out.

Eh... its a bit more complicated. Himedere is the word you're looking for. (Oujidere for males)

I've actually read the entire LN, though I'm still behind on Cheeky for a Commoner, and I'm also a VN and RPG nerd so I'm relatively familiar with her archetype. I actually really like the archetype - Natal March is one of my favorites - but even in galge her type isn't necessarily romanceable... you've got a better shot with the biological little sister. They definitely are similar to classic tsundere but aside from whatever insecurities and trauma made them an asshole there's a fall from grace that's almost guaranteed, and even if you're only following the manga you can tell Rei is trying to cushion Claire from that fall. Generally speaking characters like that take enough critical hits to their identity to where no matter how in love they are they need some time to themselves before pursuing a relationship. If you follow popular anime Eris Boreas Greyrat is a somewhat decent example of what I'm talking about.

I tend to be mostly a romance manga reader, without much interest in light novels, franchise anime, or manga derived from them, and I find yuri tsunderes to be quite common, and while it's true they don't always transform completely, they often do change considerably in terms of overall character development.

I don't like tsundere (especially modern tsuns) enough to actively seek them out, what I'm talking about is prevalence. They're unavoidable in romance in general but they're not really well represented in the most popular and/or anime adapted yuri. I guess they're pretty well represented in bait anyway... Chris Yukine from Symphogear for example.

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I don't like tsundere (especially modern tsuns) enough to actively seek them out, what I'm talking about is prevalence. They're unavoidable in romance in general but they're not really well represented in the most popular and/or anime adapted yuri.

"Anime-adapted yuri" is such a tiny niche as to be negligible. As I said, I could name a half-dozen (what I consider to be) significant tsundere characters from this site off the top of my head. It's hardly a matter of seeking them out--I certainly don't click on a series because it's tagged that way--it's just a matter of reading a lot of yuri manga.

Licentious Lantern
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Eh... its a bit more complicated. Himedere is the word you're looking for. (Oujidere for males)

I've actually read the entire LN, though I'm still behind on Cheeky for a Commoner, and I'm also a VN and RPG nerd so I'm relatively familiar with her archetype. I actually really like the archetype - Natal March is one of my favorites - but even in galge her type isn't necessarily romanceable... you've got a better shot with the biological little sister. They definitely are similar to classic tsundere but aside from whatever insecurities and trauma made them an asshole there's a fall from grace that's almost guaranteed, and even if you're only following the manga you can tell Rei is trying to cushion Claire from that fall. Generally speaking characters like that take enough critical hits to their identity to where no matter how in love they are they need some time to themselves before pursuing a relationship. If you follow popular anime Eris Boreas Greyrat is a somewhat decent example of what I'm talking about.

No, I myself have read all three volumes of the LN and own them physically. I am quite aware of what happens and why.
You are still completely wrong. A himedere is a girl that wants to be treated with reverence or like royalty by their target of affection, but being a tsundere about her love is not a factor at all. A himedere may be dismissive of those she considers of lower standing, but in regards to love that usually manifests in a desire for possessiveness and control, not tsundere tropes.
Himedere and the "villainess" archetype are not synonymous either. A himedere actually has nothing to do with it, aside from the fact that a villainess archetype can also be a himedere. Claire is not one such case. Her downfall is unrelated to himedere archetypes and her falling in love with Rei happens before the downfall anyway. The fact that you are trying to link them weakens your argument.

Claire is a straightforward tsundere. The layer of noble vs. commoner is her incentive for initially "disliking" or belittling Rei, but the reason she is a tsundere is her inability to face up to her romantic interest in Rei, however she may internally justify it. She gets wildly embarrassed when Rei flirts with her, she is dishonest about her motivations when she is kind to Rei, she shows cute moments at times of vulnerability, but quickly regresses when she becomes aware of her honesty.

Claire is a quintessential classic tsundere, with the benefit of being written in current times and thus the author had the insight to make her more agreeable and her character development natural. I think what had you confused here is that Claire accepting her romantic feelings and becoming more politically aware before the downfall of her family happened in the same gradual line.

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Kimika3
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"Anime-adapted yuri" is such a tiny niche as to be negligible. As I said, I could name a half-dozen (what I consider to be) significant tsundere characters from this site off the top of my head. It's hardly a matter of seeking them out--I certainly don't click on a series because it's tagged that way--it's just a matter of reading a lot of yuri manga.

So... you're feeling tsun about actually naming them? I'm not expecting household names like Misaka Mikoto (who isn't really tsun around the girls but I digress) or Kyou Souma but knowing some yuri tsundere that you would consider iconic or essential would be nice.

No, I myself have read all three volumes of the LN and own them physically. I am quite aware of what happens and why.

That's nice but the entire series has been fantranslated (maybe 6 volumes worth in total) as well as the 18+ "First Night" chapter (if you're feeling frisky) and the retelling told from Claire's perspective (She's Pretty Cheeky for a Commoner) is ongoing.

Himedere and the "villainess" archetype are not synonymous either. A himedere actually has nothing to do with it, aside from the fact that a villainess archetype can also be a himedere. Claire is not one such case. Her downfall is unrelated to himedere archetypes and her falling in love with Rei happens before the downfall anyway. The fact that you are trying to link them weakens your argument.

I mean... its a matter of demographics. There's shoujo magical girl series as well as seinen magical girl series, with different characterizations in each but still recognizable to anyone and everyone as magical girls. There's no reason for a villainess in an otome game to really show her dere side, but in a galge you want her to be desirable or redeemable even if she is evil.

Claire really isn't evil (or tsun) as much as proud, so I still think himedere fits her best... but I'm also not trying to spoil people who are manga only so this isn't the place for this debate, either. Agree to disagree, for now.

Licentious Lantern
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No, I myself have read all three volumes of the LN and own them physically. I am quite aware of what happens and why.

That's nice but the entire series has been fantranslated (maybe 6 volumes worth in total) as well as the 18+ "First Night" chapter (if you're feeling frisky) and the retelling told from Claire's perspective (She's Pretty Cheeky for a Commoner) is ongoing.

And this is relevant how? Are you trying to one-up me with some strange idea of superior knowledge? The funny thing is that I read the fan translation first and only afterwards read the official translations. Claire is already past her tsundere phase by the end of volume 2.

Himedere and the "villainess" archetype are not synonymous either. A himedere actually has nothing to do with it, aside from the fact that a villainess archetype can also be a himedere. Claire is not one such case. Her downfall is unrelated to himedere archetypes and her falling in love with Rei happens before the downfall anyway. The fact that you are trying to link them weakens your argument.

I mean... its a matter of demographics. There's shoujo magical girl series as well as seinen magical girl series, with different characterizations in each but still recognizable to anyone and everyone as magical girls. There's no reason for a villainess in an otome game to really show her dere side, but in a galge you want her to be desirable or redeemable even if she is evil.

This paragraph said actually nothing. What "demographics" are involved here? Why is this relevant to my point? A himedere archetype is very well defined regardless of genre. Claire does not fit into it. Period.

Claire really isn't evil (or tsun) as much as proud, so I still think himedere fits her best... but I'm also not trying to spoil people who are manga only so this isn't the place for this debate, either. Agree to disagree, for now.

Claire being evil or not also is of no concern to whether she is tsundere or himedere. Neither give any hint towards the moral alignment of a character. There are villains and heroes who are tsundere or himedere. Obviously IFTV is a story trying hard to subvert the villainess trope. Nobody in the story is stereotypically evil.
Pride also does not make you a himedere. There are plenty of proud tsunderes, in fact pride is one of the primary motivations for many tsunderes to not be honest about their feelings. Admitting to liking the protagonist is often seen as a loss.

Let me sum up the major difference between the two tropes in a neat bow:
Himedere: "You are my obedient dog and if you act the way I want I will reward you with my love."
Tsundere: "Y-you aren't worth my time, how could I ever love you?!"

You see where the overlap may lie between the two and why you got confused. You most likely believe that this is also a himedere trope: "How could I ever love a commoner?!"
But that is just a tsundere oujo-sama type actually. A himedere is not so much concerned with denying her feelings as to show her superiority alongside them.

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"Anime-adapted yuri" is such a tiny niche as to be negligible. As I said, I could name a half-dozen (what I consider to be) significant tsundere characters from this site off the top of my head. It's hardly a matter of seeking them out--I certainly don't click on a series because it's tagged that way--it's just a matter of reading a lot of yuri manga.

So... you're feeling tsun about actually naming them? I'm not expecting household names like Misaka Mikoto (who isn't really tsun around the girls but I digress) or Kyou Souma but knowing some yuri tsundere that you would consider iconic or essential would be nice.

Very cute. "Iconic or essential" are the classic nitpicker's criteria, so you can have the rest of this conversation to yourself.

As I said, I'm a manga reader, and I don't care much for properties derived from light novels or anime, nor does the "girls making kissy face while fighting mecha or dragons or aliens" genre have much appeal.

(And I did have to look up some names, so this list isn't literally off the top of my head.)

  • Toko in Marimite

  • Shiramine in AnoKiss

  • Himekaze Nobuku in Tsun Hime-Sama to Dame Ouji-chan

  • Nika in Well Done (,) Pervert

  • Kokosaki in The Mute Girl and Her New Friend

  • Kurashiki in "Notes From the Garden of Lilies"

  • Half the characters in the Mochi Au Lait universe

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Waiting for girlfriend to be of age.

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I love how people are just casually discussing "Claire's downfall" here, as if that wouldn't be a spoiler to people still unfamiliar with the story. The popularity of a work does not warrant openly discussing important plot elements in unrelated threads.

Claire really isn't evil (or tsun) as much as proud, so I still think himedere fits her best... but I'm also not trying to spoil people who are manga only so this isn't the place for this debate, either. Agree to disagree, for now.

Yes, this really wasn't the place.
I don't mind people discussing whatever they want, but please use the spoiler tags. I've more than once been spoiled by people who thought that it's okay to talk about what happens later in a story because it was "already obvious" or they "thought everyone already knew". (I'm still salty about getting the ending of Five Centimeters Per Second spoiled for me XD)

Kimika3
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And this is relevant how? Are you trying to one-up me with some strange idea of superior knowledge? The funny thing is that I read the fan translation first and only afterwards read the official translations.

I mean... you're the one who made it an issue in the first place.

Claire being evil or not also is of no concern to whether she is tsundere or himedere. Neither give any hint towards the moral alignment of a character. There are villains and heroes who are tsundere or himedere. Obviously IFTV is a story trying hard to subvert the villainess trope. Nobody in the story is stereotypically evil.

Okay now you're moving goalposts. According to your original premise she couldn't be himedere because she's a villainess.

Let me sum up the major difference between the two tropes in a neat bow:
Himedere: "You are my obedient dog and if you act the way I want I will reward you with my love."

Um... yeah that's called a sadist, not a himedere. A himedere is mostly just obsessed with their own status, though there is a decent amount of overlap between himedere, tsundere, and sadist.

You see where the overlap may lie between the two and why you got confused. You most likely believe that this is also a himedere trope: "How could I ever love a commoner?!"
But that is just a tsundere oujo-sama type actually. A himedere is not so much concerned with denying her feelings as to show her superiority alongside them.

I think you're just gaslighting me at this point. Claire has the ringcurls, the laugh, the obsession with her own nobility, but I'm wrong (and apparently shallow?) for believing my own eyes that she's himedere. Whatever, the belligerence isn't helping your case.

Very cute. "Iconic or essential" are the classic nitpicker's criteria, so you can have the rest of this conversation to yourself.

I mean... nothing has changed aside from some wording since my first post when I was pondering "noteworthy" tsundere in yuri but I appreciate the list, I guess.

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Very cute. "Iconic or essential" are the classic nitpicker's criteria, so you can have the rest of this conversation to yourself.

I mean... nothing has changed aside from some wording since my first post when I was pondering "noteworthy" tsundere in yuri but I appreciate the list, I guess.

Yeah, we've been talking past each other the whole time because my point was about yuri romance manga, while you were discussing characters in a hodgepodge of light novels and anime of various genres, some of which may have had a manga manifestation at some point. But we need not do that any more.

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GendoIkari posted:

Waiting for girlfriend to be of age.

But they taste much better if you wait

Kimika3
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I love how people are just casually discussing "Claire's downfall" here, as if that wouldn't be a spoiler to people still unfamiliar with the story. The popularity of a work does not warrant openly discussing important plot elements in unrelated threads.

I'm still mostly trying to avoid a debate with the hostile person but the general premise of villainess isekai is that its... not going to go so well for the villainess. I don't think that's a spoiler.

Yeah, we've been talking past each other the whole time because my point was about yuri romance manga, while you were discussing characters in a hodgepodge of light novels and anime of various genres, some of which may have had a manga manifestation at some point. But we need not do that any more.

As I said already my preference is visual novels (where every route is a winner) and manga but when people are responding to me with references to stuff like Darling in the FranXX I'm going to go with the most well known examples I can think of.

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Licentious Lantern
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I love how people are just casually discussing "Claire's downfall" here, as if that wouldn't be a spoiler to people still unfamiliar with the story. The popularity of a work does not warrant openly discussing important plot elements in unrelated threads.

Is IFTV popular? I wasn't even aware. In fact the reason I did not even consider this an issue is that it would be asinine for people seeing us discuss a series they havent completed yet to read the conversation in the first place. I won't make excuses like saying that it should be obvious that a story about a villainess has a negative intended outcome for the villainess (whether this comes true or not), but at least some caution around unfinished works should be applied.

I will add spoiler tags, but please, try to be more careful as well. It's easier for everyone if both sides are cautious.


I mean... you're the one who made it an issue in the first place.

....I did not. You were the one who brought up that you read it all and that I am probably manga reader who isn't aware of where the plot goes yet as an argument. I merely tried to convey that we are on the same level of insight here and that the discussion thus has no such limitations.

Claire being evil or not also is of no concern to whether she is tsundere or himedere. Neither give any hint towards the moral alignment of a character. There are villains and heroes who are tsundere or himedere. Obviously IFTV is a story trying hard to subvert the villainess trope. Nobody in the story is stereotypically evil.

Okay now you're moving goalposts. According to your original premise she couldn't be himedere because she's a villainess.

I never said that. I said a himedere is not a villainess by default and vice versa. In fact I said a villainess can be a himedere, but it's not somehow a requirement. I am sorry, you seem to have lost the thread of the conversation a few times now. I implore you to carefully read my posts.

Let me sum up the major difference between the two tropes in a neat bow:
Himedere: "You are my obedient dog and if you act the way I want I will reward you with my love."

Um... yeah that's called a sadist, not a himedere. A himedere is mostly just obsessed with their own status, though there is a decent amount of overlap between himedere, tsundere, and sadist.

Not exactly. The flaunting of status, the desire for control over the partner and the direct expression of ownership are all himedere traits. They are not traditionally tsundere traits. Sadism is a different aspect altogether, though they can mix.
A himedere will compensate a love interest with affection if they show reverence or suitably impress them. This can be viewed as sadistic at times, but in most cases it actually is just dominance.

You see where the overlap may lie between the two and why you got confused. You most likely believe that this is also a himedere trope: "How could I ever love a commoner?!"
But that is just a tsundere oujo-sama type actually. A himedere is not so much concerned with denying her feelings as to show her superiority alongside them.

I think you're just gaslighting me at this point. Claire has the ringcurls, the laugh, the obsession with her own nobility, but I'm wrong (and apparently shallow?) for believing my own eyes that she's himedere. Whatever, the belligerence isn't helping your case.

....you are very unpleasant to converse with. I have been trying my hardest to reply objectively. I genuinly am trying to explain to you why your viewpoint might be off. Ring-curls and the ojou-sama laugh are exactly that... ojou-sama traits. An ojou-sama is not a himedere by default. In fact they mostly aren't. An ojou-sama can be anything from a tsundere to a kuudere or yandere. And yes, even a himedere. But you seem to purposely avoid every reason I gave you for why Claire is a typical tsundere.

I fear I cannot get through to you, so this will be my last response.

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I love how people are just casually discussing "Claire's downfall" here, as if that wouldn't be a spoiler to people still unfamiliar with the story. The popularity of a work does not warrant openly discussing important plot elements in unrelated threads.

I'm still mostly trying to avoid a debate with the hostile person but the general premise of villainess isekai is that its... not going to go so well for the villainess. I don't think that's a spoiler.

I guess that's fair.
Though, is it really a given? Like, it doesn't happen in My Next Life as a Villainess, does it? Note: I've only watched up to about the middle of season two, but if it really does happen later on, I would be surprised (covered this in case someone accused me of spoiling that it doesn't happen lol —I would deserve it).

Is IFTV popular? I wasn't even aware. In fact the reason I did not even consider this an issue is that it would be asinine for people seeing us discuss a series they havent completed yet to read it. I won't make excuses like saying that it should be obvious that a story about a villainess has a negative intended outcome for the villainess (whether this comes true or not), but at least some caution around unfinished works should be applied.

I will add spoiler tags, but please, try to be more careful as well. It's easier for everyone if both sides are cautious.

I do believe it is quite popular, at least in the West, not sure about Japan.
But thanks for calling me stupid...? lol
For the record, I was just interested in the talk about tsunderes and himederes. After all, we are in a discussion about tropes, not one about IFTV, so I don't see why openly discussing the plot should have been expected. Though I can also understand why you might have thought it was okay.

I didn't actually mind the spoilers tbh, since it's already pretty clear where things are going where the manga is now, what bothers me is how often people assume that others won't mind it, with excuses like what I said before.

Anyway, perhaps I was a bit more aggressive than needed (as I said, still salty from past experiences...)

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Licentious Lantern
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But thanks for calling me stupid...? lol

For the record, I was just interested in the talk about tsunderes and himederes. After all, we are in a discussion about tropes, not one about IFTV, so I don't see why openly discussing the plot should have been expected. Though I can also understand why you might have thought it was okay.

Was the hyperbole really necessary? I haven't questioned your intelligence at all.
To me it is obvious not to read conversations that involve series I haven't finished, this is why I was surprised by your perspective. Perhaps we are simply used to different conversational ettiquette. The internet is not exactly graceful about such matters, so I was trying to impart my own advice on the two-way caution system.

I can at least understand that a first post could catch you off-guard and it would certainly be unfortunate if there were spoilers in it, that would be very careless of the poster indeed. It's just that in this case we only brought in spoilers later on, so by that point I was certain no manga-only would continue reading it.

I'm glad the spoilers were mild enough not to affect you at least. Apologies nontheless.

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Kimika3
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....I did not. You were the one who brought up that you read it all and that I am probably manga reader who isn't aware of where the plot goes yet as an argument. I merely tried to convey that we are on the same level of insight here and that the discussion thus has no such limitations.

Its kind of sad that that was your takeaway from a paragraph in which I was discussing my appreciation for the archetype as a whole, but I'd still prefer not spoiling things for manga readers. This isn't the topic for this discussion.

Not exactly. The flaunting of status, the desire for control over the partner and the direct expression of ownership are all himedere traits. They are not traditionally tsundere traits. Sadism is a different aspect altogether, though they can mix.
A himedere will compensate a love interest with affection if they show reverence or suitably impress them. This can be viewed as sadistic at times, but in most cases it actually is just dominance.

Examples would probably be more helpful than your own headcanon because I really have no clue where you're getting the notion that a himedere relationship is by default a dom/sub thing. Meanwhile I've given two examples, and one tsundere with himedere traits.

I never said that. I said a himedere is not a villainess by default and vice versa.

That's my bad but your posts are just a blur of angry gaslighting to me at this point. Sorry not sorry.

....you are very unpleasant to converse with. I have been trying my hardest to reply objectively. I genuinly am trying to explain to you why your viewpoint might be off. Ring-curls and the ojou-sama laugh are exactly that... oujou-sama traits.

If you go back to my initial post I just called her "ojou" while comparing her to Luviagelita Edelfelt (Rin's rival from Fate) since others brought up Tohsaka and you still deemed it necessary to correct me while claiming I'm being swayed by appearances or something. Spare me the hypocrisy.

But you seem to purposely avoid every reason I gave you for why Claire is a typical tsundere.

Because you're wrong? I already suggested we agree to disagree to avoid spoilers but you doubled down on the hostility.

I fear I cannot get through to you, so this will be my last response.

Next time try being less belligerent and more right. Oh, and more examples.

I guess that's fair.
Though, is it really a given? Like, it doesn't happen in My Next Life as a Villainess, does it? Note: I've only watched up to about the middle of season two, but if it really does happen later on, I would be surprised (covered this in case someone accused me of spoiling that it doesn't happen lol —I would deserve it).

I'm pretty sure the harem would never let that happen but I'm anime only. Though if it gets translated I'm playing the VN for sure... there's no yuri options unfortunately.

Usually its more about avoiding the worst ending, but the Chinese yuri villainess manga has the MC starting out in exile so I guess it can go any which way at this point.

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At this point there's been like 6 separate instances (this is hyperbole) in which some variation of "let's stop" or "let's agree to disagree" was posted. So, let's stop already. Thanks.

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At this point there's been like 6 separate instances in which some variation of "let's stop" or "let's agree to disagree" was posted. So, let's stop already. Thanks.

When I decided to end the conversation that is it from my side, I guarantee it.
Still, it would be nice if the mods could keep an eye on @strayalive. They seem excessively hostile or disparaging in every conversation they had in this thread.

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Not sure if it's specifically a Yuri trope (I don't read much non-Yuri romance), but I really dislike the "I don't know what love is" trope where a girl somehow is completely clueless what a romantic relationship is even supposed to be. Unless the story is making a specific point that a character is extremely sheltered or maybe from a strict household were anything romance-related is strictly forbidden, it just feels super weird to me and just makes me want to roll my eyes

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Not sure if it's specifically a Yuri trope (I don't read much non-Yuri romance), but I really dislike the "I don't know what love is" trope where a girl somehow is completely clueless what a romantic relationship is even supposed to be. Unless the story is making a specific point that a character is extremely sheltered or maybe from a strict household were anything romance-related is strictly forbidden, it just feels super weird to me and just makes me want to roll my eyes

At least the version of the trope that I've seen is more like "Everybody's talking about love and who they like but I don't feel anything like that." So it's not like they've never seen romantic relationships on TV or in the movies, but that kind of thing just doesn't seem to have anything to do with them.

But maybe I'm mistaking what you're talking about.

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At least the version of the trope that I've seen is more like "Everybody's talking about love and who they like but I don't feel anything like that." So it's not like they've never seen romantic relationships on TV or in the movies, but that kind of thing just doesn't seem to have anything to do with them.

But maybe I'm mistaking what you're talking about.

I guess the most egregious version I can think of is Haruka in Sakura Trick who even after being confessed to just doesn't understand what that means. That's the extreme, but there are a fair number of characters who literally do not seem to grasp the concept of love, rather than just not feeling it

Kimika3
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Not sure if it's specifically a Yuri trope (I don't read much non-Yuri romance), but I really dislike the "I don't know what love is" trope where a girl somehow is completely clueless what a romantic relationship is even supposed to be. Unless the story is making a specific point that a character is extremely sheltered or maybe from a strict household were anything romance-related is strictly forbidden, it just feels super weird to me and just makes me want to roll my eyes

Is it supposed to be like an aro or ace thing? I've seen that hinted on occasion but not represented particularly well. Usually stuff like that ends up being another way to say "but we're both girls!"

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Not sure if it's specifically a Yuri trope (I don't read much non-Yuri romance), but I really dislike the "I don't know what love is" trope where a girl somehow is completely clueless what a romantic relationship is even supposed to be. Unless the story is making a specific point that a character is extremely sheltered or maybe from a strict household were anything romance-related is strictly forbidden, it just feels super weird to me and just makes me want to roll my eyes

Is it supposed to be like an aro or ace thing? I've seen that hinted on occasion but not represented particularly well. Usually stuff like that ends up being another way to say "but we're both girls!"

Suspecting it's some weird purity fetish thing in the overwhelming majority of cases.

UranusAndNeptuneAreJustCousins
joined Sep 6, 2015

I guess the most egregious version I can think of is Haruka in Sakura Trick who even after being confessed to just doesn't understand what that means. That's the extreme, but there are a fair number of characters who literally do not seem to grasp the concept of love, rather than just not feeling it

Interestingly, but Sakura Trick is actually the only one that I know of in this regard. And it is not just Haruka, Yuu as well has no clue whatsoever. Two braindead bricks, literally ignorant that such a thing as dating exists. The only series in existence filled with two grills frenching each other from the get-go, yet by the end it turns out they are not considering their relationship to be anything other than friendship because they literally do not know other options exist. Shredded my suspension of disbelief in seconds, and caused me to viscerally hate the entire series. But that is also the only such instance that I know of, all the other stuff of similar nature fits more into what Blastaar described.

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