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Cat
joined Jul 27, 2015

I'm sensing that this girl has fallen into paradise and is in denial about it.

I mean I am a boy and this still looks like a paradise to me. No harem bullshit involved btw.

St1
joined Feb 17, 2013

This story is some high level horror. No one remembers their brothers and fathers just getting snuffed out of existence with a snap of the fingers, imagine if one of your parents died and suddenly you have no memories of that person ever existing.

½ of humanity got snuffed out of existence over night and no one bats an eye, except for MC...

That's just your assumption - one of many things that may have happened, AND the least likely I'd say.

What has the power to alter reality to that extent? Nothing, except some kind of all powerful God - (maybe she lives in the world of Haruhi and she got pissed off with all men and fell for Mikuru lol) - doesn't seem likely!

It is FAR more likely that the only thing that has changed is HER. To everyone else, they are living the same life they always have.

The only question is what exactly changed. It could be

a) It isn't real and she is in a coma or VR or 'its all a dream'

b) She has always lived in that world, but for some reason (mental breakdown etc) THINKS she lived in the old world with men in it.

c) She has been transported to an alternative dimension - where most things are the same except guys died out long ago.

Might be others I'm not thinking of too - but basically any explanation where the only variable you need to change is HER, seems a great deal more likely and easy to explain than altering the whole world overnight except HER - Also, why would God or all powerful aliens etc bother with that lol?

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Senpai
joined Dec 12, 2017

This obsession with NORMAL. This can only mean that Marika altered the universe to suit her inner desires somehow.

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joined Mar 14, 2018

404: Men not found

Thank you Thanos, very cool.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Okay, Yuritopia, got it.
There is just one problem: Who's gonna take out the trash now that men have ceased to exist?

Itzameapotterhead
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joined Jul 4, 2016

We did it Sachi, Megumi. We have created Yuritopia

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Rosmontis
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joined Jun 5, 2015

chiffoncake posted:

well, the thing is... it might be the translation, so it's hard to say for sure, but the way some of her internal monologue is worded makes it sound less like it's her who's not used to seeing gay people, and more like it's the author themselves who thinks that homosexuality is abnormal? stuff like

"I, Uruuno Marika, fall in love just like any normal person."
"To live normally. To fall in love normally. To have a normal wedding, build a normal family, and die a normal death."

I think she just means normal as in without anything special or weird happening. After all a lot of us wish or wished to have "normal" life. Even gay people can wish for "normal" life, as in life without oppression etc. I'm pretty sure the word she used doesn't imply that there is some set of normal and abnormal and more like common, average. As I said, that is what is normal to her. She doesn't inherently put any negative value on stuff that is not normal, as long as it doesn't affect her life in way she doesn't want it to.

these lines use 'normal' as a shorthand for 'straight', which... well, it's literally what heteronormativity is.

Again, you're looking at it too narrow-minded. No, normal here means common, average. Depending on what happens in next chapter you can even argue that her saying "to fall in love normally" doesn't refer to it being with a boy, but rather, for it to occur in very typical, mundane way. Basically she doesn't want anything unexpected or strange to happen in her life and she want to live it in peace. Sucks to be her because she is protagonist of a manga, so living normal, peaceful life is the last thing they do.

but what makes it feel like it's coming from the author and not her is how it doesn't feel the need to specify that for her, 'falling in love normally' means 'falling in love with a boy'. it just... says it and expects the audience to be on the same page? which says a whole lot about where the author's coming from. and while we're at it...

To be frank, isn't that normal for majority of people? There seems to be misunderstanding about heteronormativity and what is and isn't inclusive etc. You see, lgbt makes up a very small portion of human population. So it is very safe to assume that by default most people you encounter and talk to are straight. It isn't wrong to do so. Sure it is nice and all when you're all inclusive and don't make definite statements like "find a boyfriend" or assume other person is straight by default, but not doing it doesn't hurt anyone. The issue arrives when after assuming that, other person is afraid to correct you or if they correct you, it becomes a issue. Assuming someone is straight is not wrong by itself. It is only when after being corrected instead of just acknowledging it, adjusting from now on and moving forward, you refuse to accept it and/or make a big deal out of it.

Does the fact most people consider het relationship only options and most stuff is only framed with it in mind, annoys me? Sure. But I understand why it is that way, because that is what is normal to majority of people and most of them will have very limited or almost not existence experience with anyone from lgbt group. Again removing heteronormativity shouldn't be about twisting everything so straight people will walk on eggshells all the time and be afraid to not include some very minor part of minor group when they talk. It should be about normalizing it in a way that once it is brought up, the first reaction is not a shock/surprise but just simple acknowledge of that fact. "Oh, you're gay? KK. I'll remember about it from now on". It's like assuming everyone is transsexual before proven otherwise. It applies to such small group it is just not practical in normal day to day life interactions. Some changes in default assumptions/perceptions are pretty much welcome, but I wouldn't expect anything drastic. After all expecting majority to completely change the way they act just to sometimes avoid hurting feelings of minority, is unreasonable. Instead of trying to shallowly please each other, it should be more about building a real understanding. And if it catches on, the chances are people will become more sensitive and considering about it naturally.

on top of that, the fact that she's the protagonist gives her 'normal' a greater weight than anyone else's. you might've heard of protagonist-centered morality, and this is a similar thing; so when she says "this isn't normal", unless the work goes out of its way challenges that (and it doesn't), we're implicitly expected to agree with her.

Again, it bases on assumption her normal refers to "being gay is bad" and well, it is first chapter in which neither MC or anyone else realized anything even happened, so there is no way to assume her thinking won't be addressed. Again I think the whole point of this first chapter was more that MC doesn't want anything out of ordinary happening in her life and then boom, she transfers to/her word is replaced with alternative universe where everything is similar but guys died out and she is the only straight person left. The premise is that her normal life stopped being normal, not about how being gay is not normal.

also "not having anything against gay people" really does not mean much at all, especially when one of her lines in the classroom ("There can't possibly be any abnormalities in my normal life") is awfully close to 'i'm ok with gay people, as long as they're not gay near me'

Again, overinterpretation. The situation as a whole is abnormal. The 2 straight girls she knows suddenly date each other and kiss in the open (which ignoring whatever it is because of homophobia or not, probably didn't happen regularly or at all in MC's life, hence it's not something she normally see), then all girls seems to be into each other and guys are conspicuously missing. She realized something is not right, not the way it always was, but she can't put her finger on what it is yet. Again, at no point she singled out girls being into other girls as the thing she thinks is abnormal.

Or I could be just overthinking it myself and manga turns out to be garbage ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Happened before.

chiffoncake posted:

but "is being abnormal bad" is a great question, and one that i hope this series engages with! because often, discussions over what's normal or abnormal are actually about what's good or bad.

There is also misconception about what normal and (not normal) abnormal means. It is all statistic. It is just what is more common to happen. Being into movies is a more common (normal) hobby than being into collecting stamps. Abnormal is more about what happens less often. It isn't inherently worse because of it. But as Quiescent-Rose said, humans, especially Japanese, care a big deal about being part of the group. What is seen as normal is just what most people agree is right. It becomes a standard just on the notion of it being the most held opinion, when what is seen as not common (abnormal) is treated as something bad, because people simply don't see its value. So basically people like when everyone agrees with their opinions, so opinions that more people share become standard of what is and isn't acceptable. So when you happen to disagree with that opinion, you're judged as abnormal, despite their opinion not being any more valid than yours. It's also part of the fact that people naturally create their groups around us and them mentality. When you disagree on something you become outsider and not part of the group, so you're naturally rejected and discriminated. Because there is no value in someone who is not following rules everyone else agreed to. Human psychology is pretty fucked up when you think about it.

SyxThree posted:

BTW did everyone who isn't a girl get changed into one or did they just blink out of existence? Like, I'd definitely notice that first, right? I wouldn't want to lose half my family, even for a cause as righteous as a yuritopia.

Except it is pretty clearly established, whatever happened, only MC is aware of it. For everyone else, that is how things always were. So for them nobody disappeared, because they didn't exist in the first place.

elevown posted:

Also, why would God or all powerful aliens etc bother with that lol?

If I learned anything from isekais is that any entity on god-like level is bored af and does stuff like that for shit and giggles.

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joined Jul 26, 2016

elevown posted:

Also, why would God or all powerful aliens etc bother with that lol?

If I learned anything from isekais is that any entity on god-like level is bored af and does stuff like that for shit and giggles.

This seems like a reasonable reading of a large portion of real mythologies too - even without going into actual "trickster figures" whose whole thing tends to be starting some shit.

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joined Aug 13, 2017

To be frank, isn't that normal for majority of people? There seems to be misunderstanding about heteronormativity and what is and isn't inclusive etc. You see, lgbt makes up a very small portion of human population. So it is very safe to assume that by default most people you encounter and talk to are straight. It isn't wrong to do so. Sure it is nice and all when you're all inclusive and don't make definite statements like "find a boyfriend" or assume other person is straight by default, but not doing it doesn't hurt anyone. The issue arrives when after assuming that, other person is afraid to correct you or if they correct you, it becomes a issue. Assuming someone is straight is not wrong by itself. It is only when after being corrected instead of just acknowledging it, adjusting from now on and moving forward, you refuse to accept it and/or make a big deal out of it.

yikes. yeah, i'm outta here

Cat
joined Jul 27, 2015

elevown posted:

Also, why would God or all powerful aliens etc bother with that lol?

If I learned anything from isekais is that any entity on god-like level is bored af and does stuff like that for shit and giggles.

Hahahahahahahahaha....

Sorry I just can't hold it. I can imagine myself with some kind of god like power doing this. EXACTLY this. And then laugh like a mad man.

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joined Aug 27, 2013

Is this heaven? Did this girl die?

En7lgnjwaaad25y
joined Dec 28, 2018

I was all ready to just have my fun reading the comments and lurking, but . . .

Listen, the premise is nice and all. But that girl apparently brought a porno mag to school....

Sheesh, for a lesbian, she’s got more balls than I do...

I mean, somebody has to step in to replace the class perv roles usually taken by dudes. And with all those roles collapsing at once, well . . . unless it's distributed evenly, you're gonna get some bold-ass perverts.

½ of humanity got snuffed out of existence over night and no one bats an eye, except for MC...

It's like someone layered a Thanos snap over that thing Mewtwo did at the end of the first Pokémon movie. Something something circumstances of birth, something something this does bring a smile to my face.

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joined Feb 3, 2013

It is my dream that some day we'll get to see a story in which the word "ordinary" is not used when describing the main character pre story start.

Rosmontis
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joined Jun 5, 2015

chiffoncake posted:

To be frank, isn't that normal for majority of people? There seems to be misunderstanding about heteronormativity and what is and isn't inclusive etc. You see, lgbt makes up a very small portion of human population. So it is very safe to assume that by default most people you encounter and talk to are straight. It isn't wrong to do so. Sure it is nice and all when you're all inclusive and don't make definite statements like "find a boyfriend" or assume other person is straight by default, but not doing it doesn't hurt anyone. The issue arrives when after assuming that, other person is afraid to correct you or if they correct you, it becomes a issue. Assuming someone is straight is not wrong by itself. It is only when after being corrected instead of just acknowledging it, adjusting from now on and moving forward, you refuse to accept it and/or make a big deal out of it.

yikes. yeah, i'm outta here

Wow. So much for constructive conversation. As always you have to have everything given to you on a silver plate and catered to you. There is no room for compromise. I bet you didn't even understood what i was talking about in your close-minded homonormative head. You're doing exactly the same thing you accuse other people of doing and being wrong.

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joined Apr 8, 2018

Pretty sure homonormative isn't a word.

Rosmontis
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joined Jun 5, 2015

LLENN posted:

Pretty sure homonormative isn't a word.

The same way heteronormativity isn't.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Ah words, what troublesome things they are.
Basically some people here conflate "normal" and "ordinary" with natural. Homosexuality is natural, but not normal or ordinary. That's all there is to it.
Heterosexuality holds the absolute majority by a ridiculous margin, so it has to be treated as the standard which all other varieties deviate from. Hence the "abnormal" thing. Just as was brought up already, abnormal doesn't mean bad.

If we relate this issue to the main character, it seems that she is caught up in a delusion of normality that only focuses on homosexuality, because that's literally what's being shoved in her face. When she first saw her friends kissing and saying they are a couple she said that she isn't opposed to it, but finds it weird. On one hand surely because homosexuality is abnormal, but even more so because they weren't a couple yesterday. She is justified in finding all of these events, this changed world, completely abnormal.
If this was not a yuri manga that focuses on sexuality above all else, she would probably be challenged with other things that defy a "normal" lifestyle as well.

If I learned anything from isekais is that any entity on god-like level is bored af and does stuff like that for shit and giggles.

This seems like a reasonable reading of a large portion of real mythologies too - even without going into actual "trickster figures" whose whole thing tends to be starting some shit.

The Greek Pantheon basically played a board game called "Humanity" when they weren't fighting each other lol
They especially loved the hero cards.

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joined Aug 16, 2014

She was so focused on living a normal life that the Universe itself changed to suit her desires. Now she can live her normal yuri life that she didn't even realise she wanted

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

She was so focused on living a normal life that the Universe itself changed to suit her desires. Now she can live her normal yuri life that she didn't even realise she wanted

That's some Haruhi Suzumiya shit!

Cglishmini
joined Apr 12, 2018

Looks like this world is designed to break her out of her egyptian river. I look forward to the chaos that will ensure in the process.

Stardusttelepath8
joined Oct 15, 2014

EDIT: Poked around on the author's twitter, and the machine translator is telling me that this is something of a preview chapter, with the proper story starting on the 16th.

Should first chapter be changed to Ch.0 then?

This one is listed as Chapter 1 preview (第1話予告), so it's still technically ch1, just a part of it. Full one seems to come out on Jan 16th, so once the /u/ crew gets round to completing that, we can decide whether to release it as a full chapter or as a part 2.

White%20rose%20index
joined Aug 16, 2018

yikes. yeah, i'm outta here

Buh-bye! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

Ayuwaka
joined May 27, 2018

I wanna go there when I die...
But I heard there's no such thing as the yuri heaven, so meh.

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joined Nov 15, 2017

To be frank, isn't that normal for majority of people? There seems to be misunderstanding about heteronormativity and what is and isn't inclusive etc. You see, lgbt makes up a very small portion of human population. So it is very safe to assume that by default most people you encounter and talk to are straight. It isn't wrong to do so. Sure it is nice and all when you're all inclusive and don't make definite statements like "find a boyfriend" or assume other person is straight by default, but not doing it doesn't hurt anyone. The issue arrives when after assuming that, other person is afraid to correct you or if they correct you, it becomes a issue. Assuming someone is straight is not wrong by itself. It is only when after being corrected instead of just acknowledging it, adjusting from now on and moving forward, you refuse to accept it and/or make a big deal out of it.

yikes. yeah, i'm outta here

Yikes, this person is challenging my poorly thought out argument. Yikes, they have a point and I have no rebuttal. Yikes, I'm leaving before I have to make up more nonsense to counter them.

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

I kind of understand why the MC is distressed, tho. Waking up one morning in a world where reality has magically changed into something completely different has to be slightly alarming... even if the new reality is yuri paradise, heh. Marika's reaction of shock and disbelief is, to use her favorite word, very normal.

Also, there's the matter of the vanished male population that has to be addressed. For all we know, it's perfectly possible that Marika had a father she loved. Maybe she also had an older brother, or a younger brother, or friends among her male classmates. There's no way she wouldn't be worried about them. I'm guessing that, in the coming chapters, we'll get a proper explanation. My bet is this: we'll find that, in this new reality, everyone who used to exist as a male will turn out to have always existed as a female. Thus, all of Marika's formerly male relatives and friends are still there -- only they never were boys: they have always been girls since the day they were born. This will save us a lot of angst, as it is infinitely better to find that your father has turned into a beautiful woman than to find he has been erased from existence.

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