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Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

I'm not sure what to think of this chapter tbh. Kaoru's feelings seem so fuzzy. Kaoru's response to Uta makes it clear in my opinion she doesn't feel romantic attraction for her as of now, otherwise she would probably not say she doesn't feel the same way so quickly. At the same time, she has such an emotional dependence on this poor girl, and only thinks about herself. I mean, seriously, if you are not gonna respond to her feelings, just let her move on! I hate this type of woman.

Well, first of all, she didn't say she doesn't feel the same way, she said she can't respond or accept her feelings. The following panel is focused directly on her hand with her wedding ring, that isn't an accident.

She isn't even considering that she might feel the same way, because she's married to Uta's brother. Even if there are feelings down there somewhere, she's not going to go looking for them.

As for the last bit, I feel like that's a little unfair. She's -trying- to let her move on. She's hoping they can still be together as family. Yeah, that's naive, but I can't really hold it against her. Uta and Reiichi are her ONLY FAMILY. Her mom is dead, her dad is gone, her in-laws are insufferable. She has couple of business acquaintances, and a small group of friends that aren't -super- close, one of which is almost certainly boffing her husband.

Honestly, up until the hot springs trip, Uta was kind of her only sanctuary.

We've been primarily seeing Uta suffer in silence up to this point, but I have a feeling that things are going to get pretty freaking dark for Kaoru now.

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joined Jul 19, 2018

JJzo posted:

So, it turns out Kaoru really is an idiot.

“I didn’t actually think she liked me that way.” Yes, Kaoru, how could you possibly have known? Because all Uta did was tell you, several times, as clearly as she could, that she liked you that way.

JFC, the age gap in the emotional maturity level of these two is just as big as the chronological one, only going the other way.

Denial is a helluva drug.

She already once get over her denial though... And went to discuss stuff with friend...

So why is she now sitting in a room saying that she didn’t think Uta liked her that way?

Kaoru makes it pretty clear—her own world-class denial skills are crumbling, and now she wants Uta to bail her out by denying it for her.

At this point I’m not seeing many amirable qualities in Kaoru that make her worth Uta’s affection, whatever the surrounding circumstances might be.

Edit:

So what happened with the brother's affair(?), Was it explained or did the author forgot about it¿?

Kaoru used up all her super-denial powers wishing it away, so it never really happened. That’s why she’s struggling to deny the obvious with Uta right now.

Compared to the real world the amount of blind denial on display in this manga is a tiny drop in the bucket. Seriously take one glance at the people around you and you will see far more ludicrous examples of ongoing life destroying denial. With one quick glance I see a things like a life long friend with neurological damage and a dying liver who still to this day argues that his 30 year long alcohol and drug bender that he has been on has absolutely nothing to do with his current health problems. I see adults not just believing in unprovable fairy tales but running their entire lives based upon the rules dictated by them. I see a mother who to this day thinks her son, a life long criminal and convicted murderer, is a complete angel who just keeps getting either framed or caught up with the wrong people and situations. The list goes on.

Something as trivial as a woman looking the other way when her sister says some questionable things about her affection for her really doesn't even compare to some of the crap I see every day.

Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

On page 18, shouldn’t the line be, “then you won’t have to leave here anymore?”

On re-reading the chapter I have the usual dilemma that I can’t quite tell if the problems and ambiguities are with the character or the writing—is the character supposed to be so vague and unaware of her own emotions, or is the writing sending contradictory signals?

She went into the room to confront Uta about the fact that Uta is in love with her, then acts shocked (in the previous chapter) when Uta says, once again, that she’s in love with her.

Eh, I don't think it's that hard, Uta confessed, but Japanese is ambiguous enough that "Kaoru, I like you" can be brushed off as just an affectionate comment between friends or family. She denied it because she wanted to deny it, but she knew what she really meant, and eventually she had to break down and acknowledge it, but even through all of that, she couldn't -really- believe it. She doesn't WANT to believe it.

She seems to realize how painful it must have been for Uta to live there feeling as she does, then she treats her like a little kid who can “go back to the way things used to be.”

Because she needs to believe it -can- go back. Uta has always been her primary support structure. Without Uta, she's walking on a tightrope without a safety net, and Risako's been kicking the line.

These things aren’t mutually exclusive, of course, but sharper writing would clarify how to understand them.

As another example, I think we’re supposed to perceive that Kaoru prepared herself mentally for the conversation, but then froze up at the crucial moment. But the line “What would be the correct way to answer her?” makes it sound like she hasn’t given the matter any previous thought at all.

I don't think she hasn't given the matter any thought, but she's in a situation where there ISN'T a correct answer. At least not one that goes where she wants to be. She's getting faced with a harsh reality. Uta can't be family anymore. It won't go back to how it was. The only way forward is change, and change is terrifying for her right now, because things are going badly with Reiichi, her "best friend" is stabbing her in the back, and the only person she's ever been that close to besides is Uta.

It’s sort of miraculous that I find myself still caring about Uta as a character—I want to see things work out for her, but I’m not sure the writer wants me to think that Uta needs to get away from Kaoru as fast as possible and stay away permanently.

Maybe Reiichi will come home and somehow make everything all right. lol

Reiichi's probably boffing Risako about now, honestly. :p

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joined Oct 15, 2014

Just when I felt like crying, that credit page make me burst out laughing instead...well played

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joined Jul 29, 2017

@ Looking East

Sure, but that’s basically non-responsive. I’m not reading about your friend, who has a life encompassing many decades of real-life experience; I’m reading these flashes of fictional existences and attempting to fill in the blanks, with the assumption, as is not true of real lives, that the work of art will make a coherent whole.

So when the story takes some pains to raise an issue like the possible infidelity of one of the major characters, then seems to forget all about it, I’m not inclined to say, “That’s just like life—all sorts of crazy stuff happens!”

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joined May 7, 2017

UGH ... it's my only reaction to this chapter

Torako-okay4
joined Oct 17, 2017

pull the trigger piglet... end this

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joined Feb 23, 2016

Ooooof! But face it guys... we all know uta is going to see or hear about her bro cheating.. so she’s gonna go running back to kaoru at some point .. we’ll just see xD

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joined Jun 22, 2013

10/10 chapter. 11/10 credits page!

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joined Jul 29, 2017

She went into the room to confront Uta about the fact that Uta is in love with her, then acts shocked (in the previous chapter) when Uta says, once again, that she’s in love with her.

Eh, I don't think it's that hard, Uta confessed, but Japanese is ambiguous enough that "Kaoru, I like you" can be brushed off as just an affectionate comment between friends or family.

Please—did the whole confession scene not happen, where Uta says that she is in romantically in love with someone but it can never go anywhere, and ultimately tells Kaoru it’s her?

At best, Kaoru is being extremely self-centered and highly insensitive to the feelings of someone she supposedly cares about deeply—insensitive not with her rejection but with her failure to take Uta’s feelings seriously. She has her reasons for doing what she’s doing and there are character traits that have been established that can justify how she reacts, but again, I’m not quite sure the writer wants me to choose among the options of seeing Kaoru as a shitty person, a dolt, or both.

I get that lots of things about the story can be explained when looked at in just the right way, but to me far too many things need to be explained away, or the explanations require positing a much more subtle and nuanced writer than the execution of the overall story justifies.

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joined Sep 10, 2015

That credit page. Please give my feels back.xD

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joined Jul 11, 2015

That credit page. Please give my feels back.xD

ME TOO x'''DDD almost feeling everything, then the credit page came up ;"D

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joined Dec 28, 2018

Bro why is she declining uta's feelings? she knows her husband is cheating and yet she continues to be loyal to him? im sorry but that just pisses me off man Uta desrrves her tbh more than her stupid brother who probably just married her because his mom forced him to lowkey.

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joined Feb 18, 2018

The saving grace is that Uta has some guts I gotta say, she took Kaoru's attempts at waving everything away pretty much THREE TIMES and shoved them right back.

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Hino-san
joined Sep 4, 2014

You know, if this manga really wanted to explode a figurative bomb in the room, it would have Reiichi come home with divorce papers.

Honestly I would rather see Kaoru get some self-respect and serve them up, but it doesn't seem likely. I feel sorry for both Uta and Kaoru, as they are stuck between a rock and a hard place without a good way out. I don't know what Kaoru is making on Etsy but it seems like she would have a real hard time alone, Uta is still a kid and can't stay or leave without suffering.

Kaoru's idea of the life she was living has fallen apart - her estrangement from Reiichi is the unstated elephant in the room, and arrangement with Uta is also done. She's maybe the one with the hardest choices in that sense. I can see Uta living on her own as soon as she hits 18, she seems like the type who can do that. Kaoru has always seemed fragile.

Someone's gotta step up to the plate, or I guess they'll just twist in the wind. A manga where they all suffer for another 50 chapters, that's just the ticket!

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joined Jul 29, 2017

The saving grace is that Uta has some guts I gotta say, she took Kaoru's attempts at waving everything away pretty much THREE TIMES and shoved them right back.

That's a key to my increasing respect for her--Uta wandered around emotionally speaking, for a while, because she really is the one with the the insoluble problem, but at least she's trying to face it.

I've been heavily Kaoru-bashing here, and people have been articulating her various emotional/social dilemmas pretty well. I want to sympathize with her, but I just don't feel like I'm getting much to go on. Part of the premise of the series is that she's supposed to be an adult, and therefore an inappropriate lover for Uta, but she's not bringing a lot to the table in the "adult" department.

Believe me, I've tried ignoring problems in hopes they would just go away and then everything could go back to the way it was. I don't recommend it long-term, though.

Arg
joined Jan 17, 2014

Please just let Uta move on, didn't think it would ever happen but for once the yuri end in a yuri manga is not the good end, if it's necessary just give her a girlfriend in college and call it a day.
Atleast like that it would be a decent and somewhat down-to-earth story about actually unrequited love.

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joined Jun 23, 2017

Now I remember why I don't read comments any more. This is my personal contribution to the amount of useless comment being posted in this topic. Have a nice day!

Hinataskype
joined May 26, 2011

I love this series. I like the side stories it follows. I don't understand people calling it boring when it's just a slow burn. Not every series is going to be straight to the point with everything. That's not how real people are, either. I might feel differently depending on how it ends but I think it's been shown clearly Uta and Kaoru don't really know what they want, and it's their own confusion that keeps them from getting where they need to in their lives

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joined Feb 18, 2018

Please just let Uta move on, didn't think it would ever happen but for once the yuri end in a yuri manga is not the good end, if it's necessary just give her a girlfriend in college and call it a day.
Atleast like that it would be a decent and somewhat down-to-earth story about actually unrequited love.

I totally agree. And Kaoru should divorce and go get a personality.

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joined Oct 6, 2015

Bro why is she declining uta's feelings? she knows her husband is cheating and yet she continues to be loyal to him? im sorry but that just pisses me off man Uta desrrves her tbh more than her stupid brother who probably just married her because his mom forced him to lowkey.

Lol what? Just because your husband cheated, doesn't mean you have to fck up your life, too. Maybe it comes as though she's brushing Uta's feeling but give Kaoru a break. She's been through hella lot.
-husband cheating
-accident
-Uta's moving
-Uta's confession

Things are piling up so give her some time to sort it out. And Kaoru has the right not to reciprocate Uta's feeling especially if she only sees her as a sister or she's not into that(would be great if she feels more tho), even Uta came into terms with it already that's why she has decided to move on. It's not just about Uta, BOTH of the girls deserve better.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

I love this series. I like the side stories it follows. I don't understand people calling it boring when it's just a slow burn. Not every series is going to be straight to the point with everything. That's not how real people are, either. I might feel differently depending on how it ends but I think it's been shown clearly Uta and Kaoru don't really know what they want, and it's their own confusion that keeps them from getting where they need to in their lives

Uta knows exactly what she wants. She just, rightly, doesn't see any way for her to get it.

People act like it's some incredible revelation to other readers that "slow burn" stories exist; I know very well what a slow burn story is, and one basic requirement is, as the name suggests, heat. To me this is more like a gas stove with a partially blocked feed line--things threaten to flare up from time to time, but it mostly just sputters.

And I don't think there's ever been a story in history that somebody somewhere didn't defend on the basis of its "realism." For those who think this a great story that works the way great stories work, more power to you--enjoy. Those of us who see flaws in it don't need to have genres explained to us, however.

Wtfsakura
joined Nov 5, 2017

Credit page, give me back my sadness.

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joined Jun 20, 2017

C'mon, nothing in this manga is realistic.

One of the appeals of manga is how utterly stupid things can get. It's like every author is competing with the rest to design the most emotionally incompetent set of characters.

Considering Yuri manga's standards, the main scenes of this one are quite realistic, I don't know what you're talking about.

This manga has a lot of flaws, mostly with the pacing and side characters, but "realism" isn't really the way to address it. Uta, for instance, is quite the interesting character. She's an emotional time-bomb but in a way that's not over-emphasized. It's the little gestures that convey the best how much pain and stress she's under.

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joined Sep 16, 2017

Dafuq, that ending credit... XD

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