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So probably an unpopular opinion but this doesn't look like trans it looks more like pitos usual works which is futa.

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Oh joy, and here I was thinking this thread had finally been sanitized.

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joined Jan 17, 2014

Can't wait for the continuation :))))

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joined Jan 17, 2014

Welp Im cool with You having a crush on riko. Lol my main otp rn. Thanks for telling me about it and the continuation of the story Yujacha. :)

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Oh joy, and here I was thinking this thread had finally been sanitized.

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Oh joy, and here I was thinking this thread had finally been sanitized.

https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0309/35/1395259993331.gif

Not helping.

Lainchan
joined Feb 3, 2016

Why does this have the Transgender and Futanari tag? It can be either Transgender or Futanari, but definitely not both. Also, there's no evidence at all that either the Trangender tag or the Futanari tag is appropriate, so why use it?

Also, a faceless woman paying for sex with an anime character, wtf? The best you can say about this whole doujin is that at least it wasn't rape I guess.

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Lain posted:

Also, a faceless woman paying for sex with an anime character, wtf?

Because faceless woman can't have sex with anime character in doujin. We need to gather and protect the rights of faceless women!

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joined Oct 12, 2016

Why does this have the Transgender and Futanari tag? It can be either Transgender or Futanari?

Simple Answer: It seems likely that the author considers this futanari. But on dynasty that tag is associated with porn and fetish representations of women with penises, and is super stigmatized and not considered yuri. The transgender tag is mostly associated with works around actively transitioning characters, but can also be used as an umbrella tag for any character with a sex/genitalia/gender configuration that is different from cis-gender norms and expectations. So its tagged futanari because it came from a futa author, but also tagged transgender because its not fetishizing or making porn out of women with penises and therefore there was no reason for it to not exist under the umbrella of transgender or to be considered yuri.

Long Answer: See entire thread

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joined Dec 27, 2014

Talk about drama alert. I was wondering why such a simple story had a ton of comments xd
Well idk the story was kind of dry and meh... Didn't really like it that much, though that's probably more due to de fact that I don't knoe You's character

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joined Jun 24, 2015

Hahahahahaha

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joined Apr 13, 2014

The art on the front cover reminds me a lot of a different series character (but i can't remember what it was)

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why all this drama anyway? Pito usually makes characters futa it's nothing new or needs discussion

joined Mar 19, 2016

why all this drama anyway? Pito usually makes characters futa it's nothing new or needs discussion

See frigidbones' simple answer up above, it really sums up this whole thread in a very concise way. It's a good argument for keeping the transgender tag, imo.

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@ cowyouto

The art on the front cover reminds me a lot of a different series character (but i can't remember what it was)

First thing that comes to my mind is Haruko from FLCL:

http://i.imgur.com/lWQ6H5I.png

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Hey, one question. How I see that this chapter have the tags "transgender" and "yuri", because You is a trans girl so it's yuri if she do it with another girl, I suggest the same tags at this doujinshi, because I thought it was the same but got rejected, so, where you use those tags? I'm asking because I expected the both doujinshi are the same but they aren't to the staff, so I wanna know how to use them :S sorry if I'm making a dumb question, I just wanna learn about this >.<

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Hey, one question. How I see that this chapter have the tags "transgender" and "yuri", because You is a trans girl so it's yuri if she do it with another girl, I suggest the same tags at this doujinshi, because I thought it was the same but got rejected, so, where you use those tags? I'm asking because I expected the both doujinshi are the same but they aren't to the staff, so I wanna know how to use them :S sorry if I'm making a dumb question, I just wanna learn about this >.<

Normally futanari wouldn't get tagged with Trans and Yuri, but this was a highly specific case where the tags couldn't be decided on, as evidenced by the length of the forum thread on the matter, so it received both pairs of tags for the time being.

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@ cowyouto

The art on the front cover reminds me a lot of a different series character (but i can't remember what it was)

First thing that comes to my mind is Haruko from FLCL:

http://i.imgur.com/lWQ6H5I.png

Nah that wasn't it, I think i'm just going crazy tbh. If I'm not its a series/oneshot on DR. :9

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@ cowyouto

The art on the front cover reminds me a lot of a different series character (but i can't remember what it was)

First thing that comes to my mind is Haruko from FLCL:

http://i.imgur.com/lWQ6H5I.png

Nah that wasn't it, I think i'm just going crazy tbh. If I'm not its a series/oneshot on DR. :9

Could you be thinking of Pito's series Her Pet?

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joined Jan 20, 2014

Hey, one question. How I see that this chapter have the tags "transgender" and "yuri", because You is a trans girl so it's yuri if she do it with another girl, I suggest the same tags at this doujinshi, because I thought it was the same but got rejected, so, where you use those tags? I'm asking because I expected the both doujinshi are the same but they aren't to the staff, so I wanna know how to use them :S sorry if I'm making a dumb question, I just wanna learn about this >.<

Normally futanari wouldn't get tagged with Trans and Yuri, but this was a highly specific case where the tags couldn't be decided on, as evidenced by the length of the forum thread on the matter, so it received both pairs of tags for the time being.

That makes sense, thanks you ^^ and sorry then for sending those tags then. How in that doujinshi in the credit page the team who translate it said that it was a trans Honoka, I thought it would fit >.< and you are right, this thread is very long just for using some tags or others

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joined Sep 5, 2012

Anyways - this means that Pito just released a continuation!

Thank you very much. You're the only person that gives light to this thread.
I can't open it tho cuz Mama is just there behind me haha
Anyway, thank you translators for this release.
Will be waiting for more :D

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I hope this comment isn't considered too offensive, but as a lesbian Transwoman who thinks that this whole Gender is a social construct theory is only a loophole for heterosexual cisgenders to take part in the whole LGBT-Stuff, I think it is legitimate and would make sense to draw a distinction between the emotional and the sexual/physiscal elements in a work of fiction in the question whether or not Transwoman x Ciswoman is Yuri or not, at least in the case of Pre-Operation Transgenders. When it comes to romance, it should be clear that it is Yuri. A Transwoman is psychologically a woman, and therefore a romantic relationship between Transwoman and Ciswoman are in the end nothing but romantic emotional relationships between two woman, Yuri per definition. In the sexual element, I would say it is hetero. After all, erotic depictions are all about the physical elements of a relationship and with a Transwoman pre-operation it is between a physical man and a physical female. Hetero. There is a reason why we undergo medical treatment that changes our whole natural hormonal balance and surgery that basically mutilates our fully functional natural genitals to make them as similiar to the gender that matches our psychological and emotional sense of self as possible. If I could just happily live as a lesbian woman without all of this I, and possibly most other transgenders, wouldn't do this shit to begin with, sex-change is a pain in the ass, it's certainly not funny and you need to take medication for all of your life, which sucks.

I think ignoring the fact that Transwoman Pre-OP x Ciswoman remains physically still hetero undermines the whole problem that comes with being a Transwoman.

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As a trans woman myself, honestly there's nothing trans-related about this. All I see is Age Gap Futa Gender Bender Moderate amounts of sex. People have just latched onto the Futa aspect and treated her as a surrogate for a Transgender woman. Nothing more, nothing less.

So all the trans discussion is mostly ridiculous and pointless in the context of this doujin. Should've mostly been its own separate, unrelated forum post.

Edit P.s. This is all I have to say on this doujin. There's nothing more to say. Don't try to convince me one way or another, you won't get anywhere. I'm not posting anything more on this thread, as reply or otherwise, so don't try to engage me.

(Also, I was asked to comment by one Georgium_Sidus on IRC.)

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I think ignoring the fact that Transwoman Pre-OP x Ciswoman remains physically still hetero undermines the whole problem that comes with being a Transwoman.

I respect your personal identification with the "trapped in the wrong body" experience of gender identity, but your concern that the problems of trans women are being undermined by lesbians who fail to sufficiently dis-identify with their penis comes across as being based entirely on the offensive, even if well intended, idea of a single, authentic biological female body.

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I think ignoring the fact that Transwoman Pre-OP x Ciswoman remains physically still hetero undermines the whole problem that comes with being a Transwoman.

I respect your personal identification with the "trapped in the wrong body" experience of gender identity, but your concern that the problems of trans women are being undermined by lesbians who fail to sufficiently dis-identify with their penis comes across as being based entirely on the offensive, even if well intended, idea of a single, authentic biological female body.

There is a general female body with typical sexual charakteristics. This is the whole reason why most transgenders inherintly wish to change their physical characteristics to the traits that are common among the gender they identify as. I wouldn't even call it an idendity anymore, but really a fundemental part of the sense of self a person has. Gender Dysphoria will be always an issue because it isn't as easily solved as homosexuality, where everything is right as long as the person has the legal fundation to have romantic or sexual relationships with their own gender, it will always need some medical treatment and it will always come with a disruption between the own sense of self and the body one is born with.

And in the context of Manga, it simply makes practical the most sense to distinguish between the romantic and emotional element of a relationship Pre-OP Transwoman x Ciswoman and sexual encounters, simply because most people want to see two physically tradtional female characters when they read erotic literature. In simple terms, nobody is looking forwards to see a penis and testicles when they watch or read lesbian porn. When people watch erotic stuff, the physical element is utterly important and Pre-OP Transwoman and Ciswoman simply doesn't fits the general expectation when somebody is watching this stuff. In such cases, if the character isn't on hormones yet, it is simply hetero because this is what we physically see, in an sexual intercourse between a Pre-OP Transwoman and a Ciswoman, we see nothing but a heterosexual act. If the Transwoman is on hormones and has already breasts and a already more female appereance, it is futanari, because in this cases, in the best case there is no visual difference between a futanari and a transwoman who still has er penis. In cases where the focus is on the emotional element, it's all different. In this case, we have the premise of a non-erotic Yuri, an emotional and romantic relationship between two woman, an approach on a different experience of lesbianism. Like, I don't think anyone would deny that Ayumi and Aika from Mermaid Line is Yuri, the focus is entirely about how Ayumi and Aika, two woman, come together and about their relationship with each other.

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