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Sc
joined Dec 23, 2014

pisteng animal kurikong yawa... NoOOooo...!! whyyyy??? whyyyy??? TT______TT

Makiko
joined May 1, 2014

Okay I'll go cheer for Harumin more! :D

Smollmboye
joined Sep 25, 2013

At this point I'm only reading it to see how much of a clusterfuck it manages to become.

Tohka%20not%20crying
joined Jun 6, 2014

After reading the last few chapters again, I think the main issue is that they just aren't on the same level emotionally yet. Yuzu is struggling with her emotions. I think she does accept her feelings for Mei, but is having a hard time trying articulating them properly. Also I think while she would like to be intimate with Mei she is afraid. Not just of betraying her role as a sister, but also she doesn't want to feel like she is just using Mei to sate her desire. Since for Yuzu I feel she wants to connect with Mei and not just use her as an object like that teacher did. The problem is Mei is so guarded, aloof, and casually about intimacy it is just twisting Yuzu up inside. She seems so desperate to connect with Mei, but she panics and trips over her words when Mei doesn't react.

As for Mei since we are meant to follow Yuzu we are also in dark about a lot of what Mei's actions and words mean. Unlike a lot of people I don't see malice in Mei's action here. It's building towards something. Frankly I think Mei is just confused about how Yuzu feels. Mei was more than willing to offer herself up to Yuzu at Christmas, but was pushed away. I think Mei is having a hard time trying grasp that Yuzu needs more from her than just her body. I do think in her own way Mei was being kind. I think she is having a hard grasping that while Yuzu does desire her, it is more than just a physical attraction. I may be wrong but I think she has a hard time believing that someone could be that in love with her. Since all the other in her that have "loved" were either using her or gone about it in superficial way.

Now I could easily be proven wrong with the next chapter, but I think Sara's confession made Mei realize something. Which is why I think she had that slight smile on the two-page spread. Mei asked Sara if she needed her and I think Mei finally got it. Love is about depending on one another, caring for another person, and just basically trusting each other. i feel it all fell into place for her at that point.

As for the last page, I think Mei is playing at something here. I am not sure what. Maybe she feels she is broken and wants to spare Yuzu. Or she is testing Yuzu to see if this what she really wants. There is something going on since I doubt Mei would just fool around with Sara. It is going to be a long wait for the next chapter, but I think this volume will end up bearing fruit.

Excellent analysis, you're on the right track. Everything is building towards something.

You're definitely on the right track. Mei doesn't actually consciously know what love is; if we look back to the first few chapters, we remember she was just sexually used, and when in a desperate situation tried to sexually use Yuzu.

However I think Yuzu is only struggling with her ability to connect her feelings with Mei and her broken view of romantic love...see I think Yuzu knows exactly what she feels and exactly how she feels, and her struggle is not with her emotions but with her ability to just communicate her feelings to Mei (although after this alleged acceptance of Sara's confession, I think Yuzu is going to be beyond hurt for the next bit). Ultimately romance is NOT about sex so much as spiritual and physical connection, among lots of other things (but when all the other things are in place, boy is the sex good; it just can't come first).

The issue is that I'm trying to find a way to see Sara as a necessary character to this realization of Mei's, because Yuzu has MORE than proven her want and dependence for/on Mei, especially considering how consistent Mei has been in pushing her away. We shall see, I suppose. But all the same I completely agree that Mei probably is playing at something. Mei is not stupid, and all the things that Yuzu has done for her, she is more than aware of. When Yuzu helped her with her issue with the teacher, when Yuzu helped her reconnect with her dad finally and learn to strive for her own goal, when Yuzu decided to put being family for Mei above a girlfriend at the grave because that's what she saw Mei needed, when Yuzu worked hard to get into the top 100 even with Mei's harsh rejection, when Yuzu helped Mei with her Matsuri trap - I guarantee you Mei has recognized all of it, so I doubt she would play such a cruel card right on Yuzu's face.

The thing I keep remembering is how Mei remembered Yuzu's attempted confession when Sara confessed...that's gotta mean something, I just don't know what.

Also, excellent fruit pun. I'm sad no one else is noticing it :(

I feel that Sara's little sister has a thing for her that's why she went that far to make sure that her sister will confess to Mei even though she heard Mei and Yuzu talk.... i guess I'm reading too much in her action ahaha. Anyway i think the best part in citrus is reading everyone's reaction in this forum :)

Nina definitely has feelings for Sara, but she is toying the line between love guru and heartbreaker, and something's gonna go wrong for her if she keeps her own heart bottled up one way or another.

This is what happens every drama that is released episode/chapter by episode/chapter. The thing people tend to forget is what would happen if you could marathon the entire thing in one go...anything with angst is supposed to give you that angsty feeling and suck you in to see its resolution. And dear god, if the resolution is good, it is REAL good.

Tohka%20not%20crying
joined Jun 6, 2014

Yuzu should just go out with Harumin. Mei is just.....ugh.

I dunno. I'd be uber disappointed if Harumin actually harbored romantic feelings for Yuzu.

Plus the Harumin-Matsuri dynamic is something you can get drunk off of. It's kinda like the Sugi-Tamamin from Girl Friends that never got followed through on. A bit different, but very similar.

Drmrsmonarch
joined Feb 23, 2015

Yeah the whole Sara thing does bother me a bit. I think her confession is important for Mei to grow as character, I am just nervous about the follow through. I still don't see Mei toying with Sara, Yuzu certainly since I think part of her enjoys teasing her. Unless this is some giant gambit Mei came up with so she can get Yuzu and have Sara fall into the arms of Nina. Since I get the feeling Mei picked up on the fact Nina likes Sara.

Now that you brought it up I am wondering if Mei was using some double talk when talking about accepting the confession. We all assumed she meant Sara, but she could have been referring to Yuzu. I know we don't have much to go on, but there is something happening. We are missing key parts of conversations and everything is rather vague.

Conversely this may sound weird after everything I said, but Mei may just be honest about accepting Sara's confession. What is getting me to that point is the final page. It is subtle but I really think Mei knows what she is saying is hurting Yuzu and that pains her. I could just be making something out of nothing, but in the scene she doesn't have that same apathetic look as usual. On why she may be honestly accepting Sara's confession, I think Mei just wants to stop hurting Yuzu. I think she can see Yuzu's feelings for her are twisting Yuzu up and maybe she figures it is best to end it all.

I think what I am getting at is there is something going on. I understand all the frustration, hell my first reaction at the end of the chapter was yelling "son of a bitch" at my screen. But after that I take a second and tell myself I know they are going end up together. All this drama is just drawing it out, but when they do connect I will be smiling. Although if on the off chance they don't get together I will be impressed and then just cry.

Plus now that you mention I think Harumin-Matsuri sub-plot would be fun after Yuzu and Mei get together. Just have Yuzu stumble on them in throes of passion. Oh the hijinks that would follow.

joined Apr 10, 2014

Yuzu should just go out with Harumin. Mei is just.....ugh.

I dunno. I'd be uber disappointed if Harumin actually harbored romantic feelings for Yuzu.

Plus the Harumin-Matsuri dynamic is something you can get drunk off of. It's kinda like the Sugi-Tamamin from Girl Friends that never got followed through on. A bit different, but very similar.

Regardless, Harumin remains the best girl

This series would instantly become my favorite if there is one whole chapter lengthed omake dedicated to Harumin

joined Jan 5, 2015

Note the difference between Sara and Yuzu: the first didn't had any hesitations when declaring things to Mei.
I'm sure Mei wishes for a 'serious' relationship, not a romance, and is just shy. So when she tried to be serious in the chapter before and got rejected, it hurt more than should.

Alice Cheshire Moderator
Dynasty_misc015
joined Nov 7, 2014

Whenever a new chapter of Citrus comes out, my reaction is torn between excitement and extreme frusturation. -

People would probably be less dramatic overall if they weren't forced to be so patient, lol. This seems like one of those mangas you might enjoy overall but in the middle of it all you're just going to find it frustrating and it's the ending that makes everything better. Having to stop and wait after each and every chapter like this only serves to be frustrating. (I'm not saying the manga or translations should be rushed by the way.)

Dark_Tzitzimine
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joined Dec 18, 2013

I'm a bit confused at Nina actions. she knows Mei has a thing for Yuzu and yet, she encouraged Sara.
I'm also wondering what was Himeko thinking by telling Nina the itinerary

Mask
joined Jan 6, 2015

Urg....I really liked this one most of the way through, but this latest chapter..I'm gonna have to drop it. I just can't enjoy it anymore.

Nina Crepaldi
Fairy_tail_zero_ch03_12%20-%20c%c3%b3pia
joined Dec 7, 2014

This is what happens when people fail in speak/show their real intentions and feelings, things don't move forward.
This is shit, these new girls are boring, c'mon you see the person once and already love her for real?
Yuzu is a coward, she is afraid of her own feelings, Mei want someone that needs her, she must be messed up from her past with people only using her.
This is not going nowhere.

Harumin is the best thing from Citrus

1590005349325
joined Apr 6, 2013

Urg....I really liked this one most of the way through, but this latest chapter..I'm gonna have to drop it. I just can't enjoy it anymore.

Don't give up, you can make it.

Random Reader
2656
joined Nov 30, 2011

I'm a bit confused at Nina actions. she knows Mei has a thing for Yuzu and yet, she encouraged Sara.
I'm also wondering what was Himeko thinking by telling Nina the itinerary

I get the feeling that she knows it probably won't work out. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. And Himeko probably thought nothing of it.

Image
joined Dec 12, 2013

GOD DAMN IT MEI

Alice Cheshire Moderator
Dynasty_misc015
joined Nov 7, 2014

Urg....I really liked this one most of the way through, but this latest chapter..I'm gonna have to drop it. I just can't enjoy it anymore.

Maybe try again after it has been concluded? Depending on how it ends then maybe it'll be more tolerable for you then.

Rsz_11rsz_029_001_08
joined Jul 8, 2013

I'm a bit confused at Nina actions. she knows Mei has a thing for Yuzu and yet, she encouraged Sara.

Eh, I mean they are sisters, so it would be pretty odd for her to straight up tell her sister to give up right?

damn it, so damn embarrassed that I couldn't buy volume 1 in the store >_<" cuz of the cover... just so shy :v sigh online instead......

Right?! Oh my god I was so embarrassed to go up to the register with Citrus, so I bought a different manga and just ordered Citrus on Amazon. xD

I'm with all you guys who are rooting for Harumin. Easily best girl. I wish we got more of her and Matsuri. And Himeko. Hell, all the other girls need some more screen time.

I'm happy Yuzu took a chance to confess, but I think she did it as such an inconvenient time (she was still getting the cold shoulder) that Mei just couldn't take it to heart like Yuzu expected. I think Mei is processing it like this: Yuzu rejects me > we don't talk for 2 (?) months > she says she loves me?! SHUT DOWN. DOES NOT COMPUTE.

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Random Reader
2656
joined Nov 30, 2011

I'm happy Yuzu took a chance to confess, but I think she did it as such an inconvenient time (she was still getting the cold shoulder) that Mei just couldn't take it to heart like Yuzu expected. I think Mei is processing it like this: Yuzu rejects me > we don't talk for 2 (?) months > she says she loves me?! SHUT DOWN. DOES NOT COMPUTE.

It was also probably Mei's fault for that 2 month long bout of silence between the two of them as well. Not just Yuzu's. If anything, I'm thinking they did talk but none of their conversations were about what happened that night.

2_copy
joined Jan 27, 2015

I'm a bit confused at Nina actions. she knows Mei has a thing for Yuzu and yet, she encouraged Sara.

Nina seems to be a bit of a villain here. Yes, she loves her sister, but like she said, no matter what it takes, she is going to fulfill her sister's destiny. So, I doubt she really cares about the relationship between Mei and Yuzu, she is going to take advantage of their troubles so she can get Sara and Mei together. Sara however, seems to be a good person and I think if she found out what Nina was up to, she would be pretty upset.

Drmrsmonarch
joined Feb 23, 2015

Frankly I see Nina more as feeling that while she can't be with her sister, she will try everything to make her happy.

Smollmboye
joined Sep 25, 2013

One of the thing that does confuse me in this manga is the absolute lack of communication. They seem to keep doing things and then never actually having a frank conversation with each other about what they want, and it makes a lot of the drama feel a bit arbitrary and unnecessary.

I get why it's hard to do that, but no wonder you're both being annoying if neither of you are willing to sit it out and talk, or even make an attempt to make sure you're on the right page instead of just constant inconvenient misunderstandings.

Roomie
joined Mar 9, 2014

^ just that. During all the time they spent together (and all the night they spent in the same bed), they never talked and all we've got was Mei making only incomprehensible sexual move (that she says meaningless) and Yuzu (understandably) being confused and misunderstanding everything. Or sometimes they talk (mainly yuzu encouraging and consoling Mei), it seems like they could progress a bit... but there are no progress afterward
There are just no development, they aren't getting anywhere since the beginning.

Adding to that the convenient cheap drama brought in by empty characters who can say they love and need someone just after meeting them...

I've seen someone saying that Citrus was like Girlfriends but in my opinion it's not true. In Girlfriends we never had cheap convenient characters brought in like that only for the sake of the drama. Yes there was the boyfriend that came all of a sudden but his reasons were understandable and probable, he wasn't a total stranger that came like : Oh you in the middle of the crowd, I don't know you, you are expressionless ans you do not talk to me at all but I love you =D. And there was some development and communication between the characters they weren't at a total standstill

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joined Jan 8, 2014

Okay, I'm extremely disappointed in this chapter. My initial reaction to this was WTF OMG WHY?? Then I gave myself a few minutes to think about it. In some messed up way Mei needs more validation from Yuzu. This would be the way to do it. She asked the other girl "do you need me?" and without a thought the other girl replied. Yuzu shows her feelings but even they are kind of hot and cold. This other girl without restraint confessed to Mei. Mei probably doesn't really have true feelings for this girl, she's using her to show Yuzu that someone else was able to truly show her how she feels. Maybe this will give Yuzu enough push to force her to say "Mei I love you, not only as a sister but a lover. I need you by my side." I think that's what Mei wants to hear. I think her screwed up way she is playing games again to force Yuzu to express herself without restraint. That's just my opinion though. Which, I don't know that will happen. Yuzu is a hesitant character that slowly processes stuff, I think we don't give her enough credit it. I actually think both her and Mei are really complex characters. At the same time, i'm fully aware of how immature both of them are. They are teens, I have this feeling that Yuzu will be crushed and decided to possibly make Mei Jealous back.

Yeah the slow pace is killer, but I remind myself this story is depicting teen love/first love...so many conflicts that are actually minor, the time/trial & error it takes untill you learn to express and understand eachother...I think its really well written, and some of these scenes, and situations are written to be ambiguous...which is frustrating but good because we can have diff interpretations of what may happen or what is behind actions of characters etc...
Ill keep hoping that Mei is still in a land of confusion when it comes to Yuzu and that eventually they'll be together ^_^

Alice Cheshire Moderator
Dynasty_misc015
joined Nov 7, 2014

One of the thing that does confuse me in this manga is the absolute lack of communication.

Unfortunately a lack of communication is far too common irl too.

I've seen someone saying that Citrus was like Girlfriends but in my opinion it's not true. In Girlfriends we never had cheap convenient characters brought in like that only for the sake of the drama. Yes there was the boyfriend that came all of a sudden but his reasons were understandable and probable, he wasn't a total stranger that came like : Oh you in the middle of the crowd, I don't know you, you are expressionless ans you do not talk to me at all but I love you =D. And there was some development and communication between the characters they weren't at a total standstill

It was also made immediately clear what Mari was thinking when she did that as well.

Untitlsed
joined Jul 20, 2013

yeaaah .. im going to stop reading this for now, this part is annoying and felt recycle again with "new nemesis" thing and i have to fulfil my onee wish .. no... i dont want to seee more chara, i dont want to know them, i just want to see how mei and yuzu grow in the relationship as a person i want to know those 2 more not this ... "extras"

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