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Hi, is there a scan that is translating the light novel Wasureenu Majo no Monogatari?

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Nijisanji Finana x Elira
NSFW. Reference to a Miitopia stream.

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I just freaking popped my glasses hinge out of the frame 2 weeks before something very important...fuck! Classic me! Now, new glasses or repair? I accidentally scratched the lens on my pool literally the weekend I got them so they're kinda super busted now :/


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LWA Akko x Diana

OrangePekoe Staff
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Splitting into two posts, don't mind me.

Plebeian posted:

I’ll repeat that moral qualms people have with this manga are so foundational that they could hardly be called a trap. There’s a bigger discussion you’re touching on here about how much influence fans should actually have over the content of any work of art. Critiques that encourage authors to commit framing changes to avoid pushing a given boundary aren’t inherently good things..., really detest framing a boundary pushing decision that alienates readers as a ‘trap’.

I'll rescind my use of trap, perhaps it was a poor choice of word. When I say "framing change," I mean to say the artist could have pushed the same boundary in a way that didn't offend certain portions of their core audience. Now, if the point is to offend, then my critique is empty and so be it. I believe this particular artist wants to stimulate their audience, not offend them. If my view is correct, then a framing change would seem perfectly acceptable to me.

Personally, I’m in ‘the artists vision over all’ camp

While it's a fine view to have, it's not really one I share. Creating a 1:1 representation of an "artists vision" on paper is difficult enough in the best of circumstances, and these folks are generally subject to strict deadlines and rigorous work processes. They'll win some and they'll lose some. Their future selves will look back on some work, down to the minutiae, much more fondly than other works.

The vision also doesn't have to be static, internal and external critique can be valuable in molding that vision to be the very best it can be. Maybe the response to Linterdiction would be, "tough luck buddy, story isn't for you." Maybe it would be, "wow, those are some good points I hadn't thought of previously, I'll consider them when working next time." There's no way of knowing, but the latter being subject to external influence doesn't suddenly mean it's not the artist's vision anymore. If the artist were compelled to change their vision for editorial or commercial reasons, maybe we'd have a different discussion.

But in regards to the benefits of these reviews, I have some strong misgivings, but I can’t prove that someone doesn’t find they serve a purpose.

Majere already attested that they find those comments serving that purpose for themselves, so I've got one. Only one, though.

So, since only someone with access to the raws, which I doubt constitute the majority of ‘reviewers’, could answer definitively whether or not the positives grow/negatives wane (and even then they would be giving a review so much as a content warning. Maybe that’s just semantics) does that then leave the main benefit to these reviews in discouraging or encouraging people to continue reading a given work? How virtuous is that on a free website, for material that have generally low reader time investment to boot?

Well I don't know if it is semantics, but we'll see it aside. I'd extend the reviews idea out further. If I read for 7 chapters and am feeling weighed down by what I'm seeing but not entirely willing to drop it, seeing others doing exactly that is likely to push me to make the final decision myself. Alternatively, maybe users can give me new light with which to continue reading. I'd argue Linterdiction makes an interesting point in the third paragraph here that could change the way someone views the piece and convince them to continue. Readers aren't static either, and I find many posts inherently good for that reason.

Also lowering the bar for what we’re calling a ‘review’ to “this work does or doesnt match my morals” isn’t something I wanted to do, but then again the integrity of that word probably died with Steam “””reviews”””.

Yeah, I used it a bit tongue-in-cheek. I'm well aware of the limitations of some comments.

This is a misinterpretation of my expectation that a position held so confidently should be rightfully expected to have some strong backing. I felt Lizstar’s comment of “lol, that’s a weird thing to insinuate” was supremely smug and condescending, so I expected it must've been backed by strong arguments.

Sure, sorry for the misinterpretation.

The mere expression of one’s opinion may be all they’re after but the second they’ve expressed it it’s open to be analyzed and discussed as much as anything else posted here is, isn’t it?
To be clear: I don’t think every post should be obligated to be anything more than a blog post. But they obviously shouldn’t be exempt from responses, either, regardless of whether they aim to be part of a larger argument or not.

Sure, no issues here. To be honest, we seem to agree on all the broad issues. We agree that no artist owes it to the audience to bend to their wishes, or self-censor. We agree that any given commenter bears no responsibility further than blogging their thoughts. We agree that measuring the value of comments is tricky and in some cases impossible.

Regardless, In this specific instance do you interpret Lizstar’s post as just a blogpost? I saw his post as part of an active back-and-forth and decided to throw in.

No, it's not a blog post. Though, it starts to get sticky here, and this is the crux of my issue with...everything. I view the comments made by Lizstar and the OP as pertaining primarily to blog posts. Neither Lizstar nor MapleLovesYuri are really talking about My Younger Senpai. They're talking about the people talking about My Younger Senpai. We're in complete meta territory now. To me, these comments are perhaps more negative in nature than the comments they're referring to. We'll come back to this.

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I disagree that one can prove value in moralistic comments based on whether they might be encouraging for someone else.

I've had a lot of thoughts of how to work out definitions like "value" in measuring comments, but I think this is sort of a sideshow, it's also not super interesting to me for now since we agree on those broad basics. I'd like to take the discussion in a different direction, to get closer to what I think is the root of our disagreement. You're of course welcome to just ignore whatever doesn't interest you.

What is "moralistic" to you? How are you using that word? I use it by this dictionary definition: "Given to making moral judgments, especially in a self-righteous or judgmental manner." I don't see a single comment on page 14 that is particularly moralistic. Yes, users are expressing disgust towards a particular character. Is the emotion of disgust inherently a moral one? If so, in what way do these moral judgements go beyond the personal?

I don't see anyone here preaching or pushing any agendas. I can't see anyone acting particularly righteous or judgemental (of real people, anyway). They're merely stating their personal reactions. On this forum, those reactions happened to be the majority (of those voiced) for a few pages. What is wrong with these comments, relative to any other? If we look at the primary responses to them, I think we see comments of an entirely different nature.

Nene laughs at and mocks them. This is poor behaviour, but it doesn't seem particularly moralistic. Blastaar takes the mockery a step further and seems to mischaracterize his opponent's views. Nobody on page 14, to my knowledge, said anything about reality or applying the "moral lessons" of this manga. If we assume that disgust as an emotion may only be expressed in moralistic terms (again, I do not), then surely Blastaar's post is also creeping into moralistic territory, as it's making value judgements about other user's views. Finally we get to Maple LovesYuri, and finally we reach a comment that I would consider completely moralistic.

why are half the people here are so sensetive...real life morals is gone.

Sensitivity as a value is dismissed, and viewing media with any moral lens is dismissed. A particular viewpoint is being pushed not just towards the manga, but towards other users here, too.

I decided to go through each specific post because I wanted to include something I consider important in these discussions; specificity. If we're just having a meta discussion about general trends in media fandoms, we're having a stale conversation that's already been had a few thousand times over, here and elsewhere. So we finally get back to...

Besides, should I really just be a cheerleader for whatever position I favour, in order to make people who cleave to the same ideals as me feel more welcome, so that they too can add their voices to the chorus? Wont that just result in less discussion and more vitriol and radicalization of opinions?

I would say that cheering on your side, or probing the other, is a far better use of our time than either the meta commentary or the mockery. There actually are a handful of comments on page 14 that had responses or which could've been worth replying to if one was interested in discussing the manga in particular.

Who does the meta commentary and mockery serve? What is the purpose, where does it lead? Is it really getting us there faster than if we bothered to actually talk to people who have interesting insights to share, rather than disparage and talk about (but never with) people we disagree with? To me, this two-track circular head-patting contest is already leading to more vitriol, less discussion, and further radicalization of opinions.

But if I wanted my posts to not be picked apart by others, then I shouldn’t have posted at all. Like, if I just said: “My Younger Senpai has no moral issues”, for instance, I’d expect that post to be torn apart, and rightfully so.

Sure, and I hope anyone doing that would address you or your points directly in a manner that facilitates actual thought or discussion.

In fact the amount of voices decrying works of fiction for their moral content on this site is sometimes discouraging, and a driving reason behind why I’ve never posted here before (been lurking just a little while, since 2018~ish).

I've already agreed a few pages back that this is a problem and we have made a rule for it some months ago, too. I've given this a ton of thought in the past year since I began moderating, but my views are still in flux. Upon a look back across this thread, I don't see "moralistic" comments from puritans as being especially concerning. Please do fill me in if you disagree.

I wanted to do exactly this, add my voice to that of people who like this work, not just in spite of some of its’ content, but who wholly embrace it. Because I sure don’t see a lot to positively identify with. In fact the amount of voices decrying works of fiction for their moral content on this site is sometimes discouraging, and a driving reason behind why I’ve never posted here before (been lurking just a little while, since 2018~ish).

Welcome. I hope we can continue to clean up the forum such that more people like you feel included enough to contribute. Take care.

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joined May 8, 2017

Just wanted to drop by and say hi! Haven't been here or on this site in a long while. Hope everyone is doing well.

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Rye posted:

I just freaking popped my glasses hinge out of the frame 2 weeks before something very important...fuck! Classic me! Now, new glasses or repair? I accidentally scratched the lens on my pool literally the weekend I got them so they're kinda super busted now :/

Oh, that sucks...I recently lost the screw on the frame on one side. Can't get anything to properly fit in there (even if it is the right screw. Maybe the old one was magical?). It's a real nightmare...

bubbleteabird posted:

Just wanted to drop by and say hi! Haven't been here or on this site in a long while. Hope everyone is doing well.

Hello! Doing great, hope you're doing well too.

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Can you believe it but it's Klee's birthday from Genshin Impact tomorrow followed by Yanfei on Wednesday. :)

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joined Jul 23, 2019

I've talked before about the great writer and artist (and countrywoman of mine) Xierra099 and her comic series, especially Lovin' Sis which is a smut-fest of yuri and bi action and is already in its 3d season.

This time I want to share some recent posts by her. First one is a reply to some readers who wanted to know of her first romantic experience in high school:

The other is a conversation with fans about the works that influenced her:

1624496683210[1]
joined May 10, 2014

I'm going to college next week and will travel to the US this week as an international student. This took a lot of trying and it wasn't my first option but stills pretty great haha. I have lived alone before and I'm not nervous tbh, I'm only a little worried about going back to school after so long....don't kill me, Math/Chemistry!
I'll probably still have free time but I'll definitely have to play less gacha hahaha.

Oh, that sucks...I recently lost the screw on the frame on one side. Can't get anything to properly fit in there (even if it is the right screw. Maybe the old one was magical?). It's a real nightmare...

I swear newer glasses are just made worse so we buy new ones every year. I had to go and buy new ones after all, they were supposed to be ready yesterday, we called and it's going to take longer because it had some kind of defect...fml.
My old glasses give me headaches.


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Fate Nobu x Okita

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Rye posted:

I swear newer glasses are just made worse so we buy new ones every year.

Like everything nowadays pretty much. Quality doesn't matter anymore. Only how many copies they can shove down our throat.

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joined Apr 27, 2021

I'm going to college next week and will travel to the US this week as an international student. This took a lot of trying and it wasn't my first option but stills pretty great haha. I have lived alone before and I'm not nervous tbh, I'm only a little worried about going back to school after so long....don't kill me, Math/Chemistry!
I'll probably still have free time but I'll definitely have to play less gacha hahaha.

Going abroad for college is great, so many amazing experiences :) Never been to the US personally, probably a very prejudiced opinion, but I'm a bit scared of the country

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Rye posted:

I'm going to college next week and will travel to the US this week as an international student. This took a lot of trying and it wasn't my first option but stills pretty great haha. I have lived alone before and I'm not nervous tbh, I'm only a little worried about going back to school after so long....don't kill me, Math/Chemistry!
I'll probably still have free time but I'll definitely have to play less gacha hahaha.

Hey, congrats! That sounds awesome. Math was easier for me the second time around tbh, sometimes a break and some distance can be really good for your head.

ChikyuuNeko posted:

Never been to the US personally, probably a very prejudiced opinion, but I'm a bit scared of the country

Well it's just a giant place...but I can't say you're wrong to be scared of some parts of it.

1624496683210[1]
joined May 10, 2014

Hey everyone! I made it in one piece, it's been a busy week. I'm at a relative's house atm. I'm 99% Dynasty is blocked by at college, so I'll won't be able to chat here or share cute 2d girls anymore for a while. rip hentai too
I had to make a new Discord account after all [snipped by OrangePekoe] Suisei pfp(duh) I'm going to bed and play Genshin Edit: mods, please remove it in a day or too, thanks. Get it while it's hot! I think I'll have like no privacy, so please don't send me lewds, even if I appreciate them, because I might get in trouble. I'm a good family friendly piece of bread after all.

Like everything nowadays pretty much. Quality doesn't matter anymore. Only how many copies they can shove down our throat.

Yep. These new ones seem fine so far, I just hope they last a little longer.

Going abroad for college is great, so many amazing experiences :) Never been to the US personally, probably a very prejudiced opinion, but I'm a bit scared of the country

Haha. I'm only worried about having a roommate tbh, it'll be fine but still, a sleeping next to a stranger yabai. Everyone has been very nice and polite so far. I haven't found a Karen or anything like that just yet... it'll happen sooner or later lol

Hey, congrats! That sounds awesome. Math was easier for me the second time around tbh, sometimes a break and some distance can be really good for your head.

Thanks! I'm not bad at math but ya know, I am kinda dum. I almost embarrassed myself already and it hasn't been a week.
Btw, why are American showers so freaking strange????

https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2021/08/08/tokyo-2021-olympics-rhythmic-gymnastics-team-pays-tribute-to-sailor-moon/

That's pretty poggers ngl

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hello nyas (i am using nya as referring to people/person.)!!!

i really dont know what topic to start but i hope we can start talking and change topic midway so here i am, asking how you think of cats!

i like all cats in general, really. but fluffy cats are my favorite! especially the small ones... so cute!!!! but you, what do you think of them? what are your favorite types of cats?

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Someone needs to translate this, it has princess carry AND kabedon

joined Aug 29, 2021

Hi dear,
I love cats too. I don't have any, but I do love to play with the community cats around my neighbourhood. I'm nw in this forum and this is my first post.=(^v^)=

hello nyas (i am using nya as referring to people/person.)!!!

i really dont know what topic to start but i hope we can start talking and change topic midway so here i am, asking how you think of cats!

i like all cats in general, really. but fluffy cats are my favorite! especially the small ones... so cute!!!! but you, what do you think of them? what are your favorite types of cats?

joined Aug 29, 2021

Hello there,
I'm new in this forum.
just want to start a journey of writing and drawing and making some light yuri theme manga, fan doujin and probably some original stories. Not sure where should I find a community of similar interest. Since most of my real friends find this things weird and not really into manga. :)

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hello forum people, first time listener and first time caller here

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Hi dear,
I love cats too. I don't have any, but I do love to play with the community cats around my neighbourhood. I'm nw in this forum and this is my first post.=(^v^)=

hello nyas (i am using nya as referring to people/person.)!!!

i really dont know what topic to start but i hope we can start talking and change topic midway so here i am, asking how you think of cats!

i like all cats in general, really. but fluffy cats are my favorite! especially the small ones... so cute!!!! but you, what do you think of them? what are your favorite types of cats?

ah its okay if your new to this forum, you can just chat around dynasty cafe and chat with other users! the forum name says it all.

i do love to play with community cats around my neighborhood

what kind of cats are they? god i wish i could go outside.. we have a cat at home and all he wishes is attention and extremely lazy..!!

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Hello there,
I'm new in this forum.
just want to start a journey of writing and drawing and making some light yuri theme manga, fan doujin and probably some original stories. Not sure where should I find a community of similar interest. Since most of my real friends find this things weird and not really into manga. :)

ah ive been actually planning to be a manga author for all kinds of things but i really dont know where to start.. i also havent figured out any storylines or plots with my manga yet so im off to a really bad start, wb you? you got any interests in becoming a manga author or are you just interested in manga in general?

joined Aug 31, 2021

Hello there,
I'm new in this forum.
just want to start a journey of writing and drawing and making some light yuri theme manga, fan doujin and probably some original stories. Not sure where should I find a community of similar interest. Since most of my real friends find this things weird and not really into manga. :)

Hello! New here too!
You can totally try with Twitter, pixiv too! I follow a ton of people who upload their comics/manga in there! .
Now:
Hello everyone! I've been following dynasty since I can remember and just decided to finally made my account. Hope to read more about Yuri stories and related stuff! Random things too :D.

OrangePekoe Staff
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Wow, lots of new folks around. Welcome, everyone. Hope you have fun. I'm very happy to share a home with two cats. They're the best.

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I'm very happy to share a home with two cats. They're the best.

i am very jealous Opekoe sobsob.. i had like a home with 3 cats but one of them died, the other went missing and now i only have one

well excuse my trauma, how are your cats? what breeds are they? how old are they? (this makes me feel like im interrogating you as a cat investigator)
i want your cats give me

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