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Anjelika
joined Sep 23, 2018

Huh, at this point I'm going to have to stop saying KasuAri is criminally underrepresented. Now there's quite a bit of these big gay dorks on this site (and I am here for it).

joined Sep 23, 2018

I think it's quite unfair to derisively refer to it as cliché for something as broad as "girl is interested in the girl who's supposed to be her love rival". There is no similarity in any way between the actual substance of this story compared to IFtV. You could lump together 95% of the manga on this site under five such broad premises, but the execution is what makes a story, not the premise.

joined Sep 23, 2018

Hurry up and get married already so you can share the same last name. Hm? It's already the same...

joined Sep 23, 2018

You are right sexism does exist in both societies. I apologize if my comments came off as racist, it wasnt my intention. I dont look down on Japanese society, I enjoy a lot of stuff about it but I also dont. I just see a lot of casual sexism in manga and I wanted to point that out, thats all.

If that wasn't your intention, I apologise for the hostility. I've just seen a lot of this kind of thing used to justify hatred of Chinese/Japanese/Korean people, so I tend to get frustrated quickly when I see something that looks like that.

joined Sep 23, 2018

It's a toxic manga.

joined Sep 23, 2018

I was just going over your comments to make sure you were just a trolling asshole and realized I missed this gem in all of the clutter. This is exactly the reason we need a report function on this forum. You accuse me of not caring how other people feel after this utter garbage? I just hope the mods get wind of this bullshit.

How else was I meant to react to somebody flippantly dismissing an issue by saying something as ludicrous as "teasing homophobes is fun, you should try it!"? You seem to have taken the other reply to you on this subject as being a personal threat to you, but their point about ending up in a hospital or dead was that riling up homophobes is dangerous and that's what could happen if they tried your funny suggestion. For you to casually suggest that interacting with homophobes as a gay person is a source of amusement and not fear for one's safety does lead me to believe you have no idea what you're talking about, yes.

I think it's a stretch to say that I'm a troll who doesn't care about others myself on the basis of my hostile reaction to a comment like that.

Eastern countries still place priority on a womens purity, it is a sexist society.

Western countries still place priority on women's "purity". It is a sexist society too.

So I really dont know why you brought religion up to begin with, its not on this topic. So you trying to derail the conversation to talk about b-but westerners do this! Is you telling me not to talk about this important issue.

I am saying it is not a specifically Japanese issue, which you portrayed it as. It gets very, very tiresome reading condescending comments from Westerners about how non-Western countries are awful at this and that when Westerners do the same thing, and often worse. All you had to do was say "this behaviour is sexist and gross" and I'd agree with you - but you framed it in a way that lets you look down on another society as inferior to yours, which is itself gross.

last edited at Oct 12, 2020 1:16AM

joined Sep 23, 2018

Implying most westerners actually follow these cult like religions. Many of which religions cover up rampant sexual abuse. Its not about ‘purity’ it is about control. Must be hard being this clueless about the world.

"Nobody is Christian, dumbass" is a hot take if I've ever seen one. >70%+ of the population of most Western countries is still religious, and among the Anglosphere the hardline religious have control of the country's government in the US, UK, and Australia. It's actually insane to pretend that it's some bygone thing that's no longer a part or problem of Western culture.

last edited at Oct 12, 2020 12:33AM

joined Sep 23, 2018

Yeah, sorry. I don't agree with that convoluted mess. I've already told you how I interpreted it. At this point, I don't care if you agree or not. It seems like you're trying your damnedest to be outraged at something here, and I'm not going to participate anymore.

"I choose to pretend words don't have meanings"

Okay, feel free to live in your bubble of privilege. At least you're acknowledging that you just don't care about other people.

last edited at Oct 12, 2020 12:20AM

joined Sep 23, 2018

Exactly.

And this is how you learn to tell yourself: "It's just fiction; I should really just relax."

There's no such thing as "just fiction". Stories are absolutely integral to our existence as humans - we spend our entire life mired in stories, whether in books, television, games, or any other medium, and they influence the way we behave. Seeing a certain behaviour portrayed as normal in countless stories creates a subconscious understanding that that behaviour is normal and okay, when things like non-consent, domestic abuse, homophobia, and, say, outdated ideas of virginity should not be normalised.

joined Sep 23, 2018

I read that part as her disregarding the stereotypical meaning of "virgin." A lesbian can be a virgin if she's never had sex with anyone at all, but once she has, she isn't. That was just my read of it.

To say X is necessarily Y, it means that somebody is assuming X must be Y.
So, if you say lesbians are necessarily virgins, it means somebody is assuming lesbians must be virgins.

But nobody is assuming that lesbians, in general, have never had sex with women. However, there are people who assume that lesbians, in general, have never had sex with men. In fact, that is the exact context of the statement - a man assuming she has not sex with men because she is a lesbian. She chose to use the word "virgin" to describe the assumption she had not had sex with specifically men. Logically following the meaning of the words and context, there is only one possible meaning for "virgin" in this sentence - "somebody who has not had sex with men".

God I hate how japanese people are so obsessed with the man-made up idea of virginity. Putting value on people, especially women with this made up idea is disgusting and misogynistic. In this case homophobic too. I see what the author was trying to do but executed it badly.

As if Westerners aren't even more obsessed with it. You have an entire religion dedicated to obsessing over it, in fact. One that would, historically, literally burn women alive for having sex outside the narrow confines of the religion's dictated purity. This is not a specifically Japanese problem.

last edited at Oct 12, 2020 12:14AM

joined Sep 23, 2018

I would agree that if it were just that instance, it would be open to interpretation. However, the instance on Pg5 leaves no room for interpretation (and colours my interpretation of Pg26, as a result). There is only one thing "It's not like a lesbian is necessarily a virgin" can mean. Or do you think she's saying that there are people who believe that lesbians never have sex with women, either? Within the context of being pestered to try having sex with men?

last edited at Oct 11, 2020 11:52PM

joined Sep 23, 2018

Your inability to separate a character from the author writing them is kind of cringe. You have no clue what the author's idea of virginity is, because there isn't a note from the author telling us.

This could be used to excuse literally every problematic take ever written in history no matter what it is. If an author establishes a problematic viewpoint of one of their characters, but portrays it as normal viewpoint rather than a problematic one, you can only reasonably infer it's the author's viewpoint. Or, if you want to give the author the most favourable possible interpretation, they don't believe the viewpoint but wrote a comic that normalises that viewpoint in exactly the same way that an author who did believe the viewpoint would. Which is the same end result, and it's the end result that's problematic.

An example of this from this very comic: I don't mind the forced kiss, because the author explicitly labels the character as a petty jerk. It's fine to display characters being jerks if they're properly portrayed as a jerk for their actions. But I do mind the espousing on virginity belonging to men, because both characters advance this viewpoint and this is never contradicted as a bad thing by the author.

last edited at Oct 11, 2020 11:40PM

joined Sep 23, 2018

Right? "Teasing homophobes is fun", says someone who is probably not homosexual and has clearly never interacted with a homophobe before. Spoiler: it doesn't actually end up with them confessing their love to you and having gay sex the next day.

joined Sep 23, 2018

So you agree that lesbians are virgins unless they've had sex with men, then? Because that's what the author's idea of virginity is, according to both Pg5 and Pg26.

joined Sep 23, 2018

I've read the original. It's not a translation error. The author just has really shitty ideas about what virginity is.

joined Sep 23, 2018

Guys, I think the post sex scene happens AFTER the conversation at the end about her being a virgin, and the lighter haired character had an inner monologue earlier about how she had been with men and that being what made her realize she liked women more.

I'm not sure where you guys are getting the "lesbian sex doesn't count" trope, because I'm not seeing it.

Pg5 "It's not like lesbians are necessarily virgins" --> in the context of talking about sleeping with men, this can only mean one thing. It would be a given that didn't need stating if the person stating it took it for granted that sleeping with women counts as losing your virginity. Like, if you substitute the word "virgin" out of the sentence, you have two options:

"It's not like lesbians have necessarily never slept with a man before"
or
"It's not like lesbians have necessarily never slept with anyone before"

You would have to be wilfully obtuse to interpret it the second way, because nobody would ever think that being a lesbian is exclusive to having slept with women, while she's specifically addressing that there are people who think that being a lesbian is exclusive to having slept with men.

tl;dr fuck this comic

Anjelika
joined Sep 23, 2018

I beg to differ with Nakazawa-sensei. I'd say mutual masturbation definitely counts as sex in anything looser than the uptight Christian PIV definition.

Anjelika
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joined Sep 23, 2018
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^^^ Stop, I can only get so excited by these utopic fantasies.

Anjelika
joined Sep 23, 2018

This was great, and i appreciate the domestic NozoEli cameo.

Anjelika
joined Sep 23, 2018

Wow talk about boredom after that big first chapter, when you started off like that you can't go back to ... this, you either build-up to the big buzz or you keep raising the bar, this boredom right now ain't it...

Funny, it's the exact opposite for me. The random catfighting is disgustingly uninteresting and utterly vapid, but I'm still curious about where this is going because I've never seen an OL manga with a real business-oriented plot rather than using the office setting as a shallow backdrop.

No, I'm quite confused as well, but I suppose that's just because I know nothing about business and I kinda skipped over the parts where they were talking about it. Could someone explain why the contract being terminated is a bad thing?

Losing a contract is a corporation's equivalent to being fired. GIA is paying ¥200 billion ($2 billion USD) to Kouyou Miyako Bank over 5+ years for a long-term project. It goes without saying, but losing that work with that much money involved is a big deal. It would likely result in, at minimum, a massive round of layoffs - with $400 million per year of income lost, there won't be money to keep paying employees that were hired to work on the project.

last edited at Sep 30, 2020 9:15PM

Anjelika
joined Sep 23, 2018

I don't understand this manga at all. How is it Himari's fault that Shiro abandoned its kitten? Why is feeding a stray cat lumped in with abandoning one yourself? The messaging about taking responsibility makes sense of neglecting an adopted cat, but I don't see how it pertains to feeding strays at all.

Also, is this a dialect thing, using "kitty" instead of "kitten"? To me, there's a different nuance between the two words, but here the translation exclusively uses "kitty" where I'd normally say/hear "kitten". It also spells it "kittey" several times, which I've never seen before.

joined Sep 23, 2018

Called the "Long Black Hair" cliche of a character as soon as she uttered her first words. Such an overplayed stereotype

I like that this is where you drew the line, and the clutzy late girl with bread dangling from her mouth running into someone wasn't too much of a trope for you.

last edited at Sep 17, 2020 3:43AM

joined Sep 23, 2018

Another problem I have with this manga: things just happen, because the author deemed they will happen. There is no purpose for Yukari's monologue to happen, it just does. The author does lampshade this, but I don't think that actually makes it any better. Ditto the Shock Twist. It's completely out of character for Marisa to kill Reimu just to make a point. I've read a very believable story where Marisa committed suicide that actually moved me to tears. There's a decent story where she ascends to become a Magician youkai and kills Remilia in revenge because she thinks that Remilia killed Reimu, too. But here she just kills Reimu for edge value, not because it's something that she would ever believably do in this situation. The Marisa I know is someone who would work as hard as she can to become stronger and defeat Yukari, not commit murder-suicide with the person she cares about most. "Marisa got the Yukari audiobook version of the wikipedia article on determinism and then became a murderer to prove she has free will"... bleh. I really dislike this manga. It's so cheap to use character death as though it automatically adds merit to your bad writing.

last edited at Sep 15, 2020 1:55PM

joined Sep 23, 2018

This and the previous one seem quite bad, honestly. I'm usually a big fan of dark Touhou, but here it feels like going for cheap shock value with no interesting story being told underneath the angst. Yukari monologuing for 15 pages straight, dumping soooo much exposition... ugh. Pass.

last edited at Sep 15, 2020 1:54PM

joined Sep 23, 2018

It's still on mangadex.