Gulf Standard

What do you mean?

This is just a guess but I think they might be confused by the fact that the guy's last name is Sakura since that's usually a first name used for girls.

OriginalGengar

Of course you can use a dildo for self defense. Haven't you played Saints Row?

Beating up random people doesn't actually count as self defense.

I dunno what world you live in but where I live it certainly counts as self defense.

Nevri

Again, I'm not sure I understand sentence right, but if you mean that they wanted prevent Botan from ruining guys family, then you are sadly mistaken. They had no idea. They assumed Botan was abused by someone. They found out that she is meeting married guy, not knowing the one that hit Botan was the young one. So they just assumed he was at fault. Them busting his cheating was by total accident. I agree their motive, aka protecting their family, was right, but they rushed to action without enough information. I was actually very curios about how it would be solved and honestly I totally get why Botan would be so pissed at the moment that she would just leave. She sacrificed everything for them. Pushed herself when she "didn't want to cut corners on food when they were younger". All she ever asked for was that little moments of privacy that they suddenly invaded and tramped on, without even knowing the truth. I'd be pissed too. It probably could be solved by talking, but she just was too angry to bother.

That's what I get for trying to explain something after having taken a sleeping pill, lol. I'd actually meant more or less what you said and the thing about not destroying the guy's family was supposed to be a bit of a sidenote about how they'd be likely to disapprove of it. Sakura even attempted to stop Momiji from revealing it when she realized that they likely had the wrong guy, she just wasn't able to stop her in time. I do agree that they rushed into action without enough information though. I also think that Botan shouldn't blame them for things the way she did though either. While they poorly argued their actions to her it was clear that they simply did it out of love for her even if they only made things worse in the end.

I won't say that Botan was more justified for cheating because of her situation. They both were equally at fault. My point was just that a lot of people seems to not grasp why Botan would do that. I think both her cheating and leaving was totally understandable.

I can definitely understand why she would do it. That doesn't mean I approve of it at all though. Botan clearly values her family a lot even if she hates the position she ended up in so she should be someone who is definitely able to see how her doing these things could make someone else's family end up going the same way hers did. I understand it was just her way of doing something for herself for once but that doesn't justify doing something that could harm someone else's family still.

As for abandoning the family I still think that was awful of her. I can understand that she might want them to understand what she has been through (which is definitely a good thing because while Sakura and Kashiwa at least did want to help out they never pried too much into Botan's life, I'd assume at least partially because she always wanted to keep things private from them) but from my point of view it basically looks like she did exactly what her own father did. She just abandoned her family and disappeared. Granted the ending does seem to hint that she got back in contact with them unlike their father but that's still not cool of her. All of them (with maybe the exception of Momiji who was too young for it to affect all that much) do seem to have some form of abandonment issues as it is.

Nevri

I try really hard, but I'm not sure what you meant in that sentence ;/

If you mean the "It's far from impossible to find someone who won't be cheating on their spouse who doesn't want a serious relationship." part then it's just talking about open relationships and such. The part in parentheses is talking about how that sort of relationship may be more difficult to find in a place such as Japan which has different cultural values.

Imo Botan decision is totally understandable. She was forced to become a mom and working adult in order to support entire family all by herself, while still being pretty young. I don't remember all the details since I read it long ago, but father was gone since she was a child I think. She gave up going to university which she didn't want, but had to.

Her mother died when she was 15 and her dad left when she was 18 if I recall correctly. I just reread it earlier but I wasn't paying attention to the ages so I may be a bit off there.

I can see why not only she wouldn't want to date anyone seriously, but actually wanted to be spoiled. Sure, she could just date single guys if all she wanted was sex, but married guys are better for 2 reasons. 1. They are still less likely to get serious about her. After all not everyone immediately goes and break their marriage and some just like the trill of cheating (not that I approve of it, but that is the fact). 2. She actually wants a father figure, that will spoil her, as we can clearly see here (the first quote is pretty good too, hinting that you never know when things you take for the granted suddenly ends).

This sums Botan's stance pretty well

Don't get me wrong, I can understand why she would see it as the most appealing choice. I still completely disagree with it though. While an argument could be made that the person is going to cheat anyways even if it's not with her that doesn't really excuse that she's disregarding that person's family all while claiming to care for her own. And while I can understand why that might be kinda the last straw for her the way things turned out she was still rather out of line in leaving like that in my opinion, at least as permanently as it seems she did since a year later she hadn't even contacted them. She basically went and did exactly what their father did.

The thing is that while her siblings definitely did a piss poor job of explaining things it's pretty clear that they just didn't want her to harm other families but didn't want to make her out to be the bad guy either when she kinda was. Cheating can tear a family apart. And while arguments can be made that the person getting cheated on should have had at least some idea that something was wrong with the relationship (not always the case however because some people just cheat regardless of whether their relationship with their spouse is good or not) there is no argument to be made for the kid having to be pout through that. If it weren't for the fact the guy had a kid I wouldn't have had nearly so much of a problem with it honestly. I'd still think both Botan and the guy were pretty awful for knowingly doing it because the guy should just break up with his wife if it's that bad but I wouldn't consider Botan to be so much the bad guy. Regardless of her intent her fling with the guy drug an innocent kid into the mix.

Nevri

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Does this change anything?

That's simply because the script is tagged as being for a nsfw site so you can't download it without logging in.

Blue Saint

A lot to talk about with this story. First I want to talk about Botan. I don't fault for having the affair. You can tell she gave up so much to shoulder the responsibility forced onto her and she accepted it all. Her liaisons was the one that was only about her, she didn't have to worry about her family or the future. She made it clear none of the sex was meant to lead to anything more, it was about her having a release and probably some control over her life. She made it clear she had no intentions of having a relationship with anyone, let alone of trying to break-up the guy's marriage.

I don't disagree with the rest of what you wrote about Botan's situation but there's one major difference between Botan's situation and that of any of the others. As shown in the story her situation could harm the family's of other people and it could easily be completely out of her control for that to happen. Now granted the person who is actually cheating on their wife with her is completely in the wrong too (I'd say more in the wrong but seeing as she clearly knew the guy was cheating on his wife with her I'd say it's completely even responsibility.) she's knowingly doing this. Even if she did make those things clear to the other party she was still in the wrong. It's far from impossible to find someone who won't be cheating on their spouse who doesn't want a serious relationship. (Well cultural values notwithstanding. I suppose in Japan it probably is somewhat more difficult but the point is it's still not impossible.)

Nezchan

Matsumoto deliberately so as one of the later stories confirms. She loves Nanako very much, and refuses to jeopardize that by having sex with her or going any further than kisses, which could conceivably be explained away as innocent.

That is, until she graduates. Then her girlfriend's fair game.

That too but the way that the author makes it a point to show that Matsumoto actually treats this relationship a lot differently than her past relationships ends up coming across as fairly innocent despite those conscious decisions such as the one you described. (Not sure how to go about properly describing what I mean, lol.)

I was just rereading this last night. It's an interesting series.

none

Also: it's scary how much okay I am with this romance.

The fact that both of them are actually fairly innocent about it probably helps.

yuzichan

im just going to say this, WHO HUGGS THERE FRIEND NAKED.

The chapter does make it kinda very clear that Ran was so drunk she doesn't even remember doing it.

teagirl

Fcuk uyo SHOU

Who's Uyo and why do you want Shou to fcuk them?

I'm not really surprised it ended this way, just a little bit disappointed that we didn't get something at least a little bit more concrete than that.

Faust

I thought they were already holding hands, so Tomo just went for it and squeezed her hand again?
Man, maybe I'm dense, but I never would have understood that

From what I got they were holding hands but when what's his face came in the other girl let go of Tomo's hand then Tomo grabbed her hand again and did the squeezing deal.

Miharu

The yaoi hate is kind of hilarious.

You've got some weird sense of humour.

It's really not all that weird. I don't even really care for yaoi and I think it's pretty hilarious how worked up everyone keeps getting over it too.

lenne18

It's not weird at all. Despite living under one roof, both of you are still your own persons. Those differences leads to a clash, a struggle to get along.

Source: Eldest here with an antisocial stoic personality. Brother is the outgoing type who expresses his emotions freely. Naturally, we clash a lot.

See this is one of the weirdest parts to me. That sounds just like me and my sister, I'm fairly antisocial and quiet while she's a very outgoing person. In quite a lot of ways we're exact opposites yet we've never had many issues getting along. Compared to other groups so siblings I've seen, we fight or argue rarely enough for it to really not count at all.

Dayominator

I don't have any siblings, but I can say from an outside perspective of being around a lot of friends who do have older and younger siblings the relationship here really felt pretty normal as far as some siblings go. Not all, of course, but I don't think it's unusual for an older sibling to find a younger one annoying, or not wanting their friends to get along with their siblings. It's something most people mature out of though.

Being an older sibling I always find it weird how common it is for siblings to struggle to get along. While we occasionally bickered my sister and I got along great in general. I have three far younger half siblings who I've always got along with pretty well too. Though that's less comparable since the oldest of those is literally half my age. At such young ages they look up to most adults.

Marberry

What exactly has been communicated poorly? Everyone seems to have figured out that Keiko's moving away because of work.

Just because people have eventually worked it out doesn't mean it's communicated very well.

Yuri Girl 1001

For instance, when you just type it into the bar, chapters can get scattered all over the results.

Chapters get organized a bit weirdly as it is anyways. It would seem more logical to me to make sure the search results display a manga's grouping before all its chapters instead of afterwards.

Orangey

i do kind of want the two husbands to be gay for each other too, but pff obviously thats going to tie in far too neatly

You mean kinda like what happens in this one I linked earlier in the thread?

Alice Cheshire

This reminds me of Wedding Bells Are Ringing in a way. I'll just assume it's a situation like that taken to a slightly more extreme point because I'm really not a big fan of cheating at all.

starsaber123

I didn't think the ending was that confusing. Im guessing Megumi is in college somewhere else and they are still in constant contact indicated by her roommate remarking if the letter is from the girl Megumi is always talking to. I think the ending implies they are still together albeit really lonely being apart. Long distance relationships suck.......I know for a fact :) (turned out well though!). I guess it's a weird bit of realism in our fiction.

As I said it's a large and random jump that makes it feel like there's a chapter or two missing. Everything you said is your best guess and that is the entire issue. It's a guess. The author just dumps this extra chapter on us with no actual context.

aiborie

I also thought Kyubey meant 'Bitch' at first haha. Well my bad. Though I agree on 'Big-breast' since the panel obviously focused on Mami's 'Op-'

Well it's true either way so nothing to worry about.

AnimexObsession

http://dynasty-scans.com/series/oniisama_e
Should have a tragedy tag, or at the very least a drama one.
(Btw sorry if this isn't the right place for this)

If you click the icon in the top right that looks kinda like a generic price tag you can submit a tag suggestion for it.

Gabriel13th

No kiss?..

Really not necessary for this one. How things turn out is made pretty clear.

ieeheh

I wondered why no one liked this. It's very relaxing for me. I loved the extra, everything sounded poetic.

It's an interesting story but the extra really does have some serious issues. It almost feels like there's a chapter or two missing between the end of the main story the start of the extra. Ryouko wasn't pregnant in the main story as far as we were told, she was still engaged. And there was nothing at all about Megumi moving or whatever happened to make them have to write/call each other instead of being able to see each other too. And the girl who appears to be Megumi's roommate or whatever is simply there with no explanation or even name. The extra really didn't add anything to the story and just made what was a concise ending far more confusing.

telamon

I'm curious how nobody mentioned that Kanae suggested Tomomi and Etsuko to change their appearances while she accepted Chizuru as is. I wonder if it was a tactic to separate her from her friends so she could get closer to her that way. It seems unlikely but it would be a nice spin. Not saying that would be bad or anything, just something I noticed on a second re-reading.

I don't think it's really a tactic like that. Chances are she simply thought Chizuru looked fine as-is so just didn't make any suggestions. Though the fact she never really made any attempts to even talk to her was a bit weird for someone who's as outgoing as Kanae.

none

They're in the same grouping, tho.

That doesn't make it clear they're related though since there's untranslated chapters that appear to be completely separate.

Faust

People only have to click on the author's name tho

Actually they'd have to find the grouping it's in from there and like I said above it's still not exactly clear that it's a continuation. Though this wouldn't be an issue at all if the site had some sort of support for linking parts of a series together when they're not in an anthology or actual series.