Well i do not reject logic, i just reject "real world" logic on a fictional setting. Nanoha and Fate being enemies just seems very wrong for this setting. Just looking at that makes it feel wrong to me. That is not the Nanoha franchise, it is a fanfic. Of course, anybody can write one and everybody is free to enjoy it (or hate it).

I just can't see that characters going that way. That development does not convince me that both would go this extreme way. Neither would Hayate. They would find a way to work together. Sure, they would disagree on certain things but never actual fight. It is a forced plot to make an edgy and dark Doujin for the sake of being edgy and dark.

The thing is, we've never seen Nanoha and Fate really disagree about anything as important as the fate of the universe. Neither have we seen any of the characters deal with the sudden murder of a close friend and relative, as well as widespread violence and instability that doesn't have a Precia or Jail to shoot and immediately end. No one here can say that Nanoha would never support a police state while Fate supports the old way if such a question came up (though their personalities, as mentioned before, do fit with how they aligned here), nor could we say that Hayate wouldn't take certain actions in a unstable political climate.

Simply because no issue has come up in the canon where they weren't able to work together and sort out any differences (have they ever had differences after the first season?), does not mean that they would always be capable of working something out. If you truly believe that the three of them could never irreconcilably disagree about something and come to blows over it, I guess there's just nothing to do about it but disagree.

And, as a side note, pretty much everyone's faces on page 56 are awesome if you're able to pull yourself away from looking at Rein warming herself on the coffee cup.

Fate clearly does not know what is going on. If she knew what was going on she would avoid fighting because it would be exactly that what Hayate wants. Look at what Fate says during their fight. She clearly has no idea what is going on and why Nanoha is fighting her.

Which is, as I said, probably what everyone intended. Chrono caused a massive revolt by revealing that the New Council is using physical weapons and androids to hunt down rebel mages. Imagine the fallout if Fate revealed that Hayate intended to (and later started) a huge civil war to decide on what government to use. And, prior to their fight, Fate assumed Nanoha was being coerced into fighting, but Nanoha corrected her by saying that she chose this.

Also, don't try to apply the real life logic. It is an Anime/Manga universe. Those three would never fight each other. It is only a Fanfic, a bad one i would even say. It tries to be dark and edgy so hard that it ruins the characters and their dynamics. So much that you could just take any other canon and put it into this scenario.

You have a problem with the doujin ruining the characters but have yet to say exactly why it ruins the characters other than some unqualified statement that they would never fight each other. I've already explained why they might and how everything they've done fits quite well with their personalities so, unless you're going to just reply with "you can't use logic," you have to do a bit more than repeating how it ruined the characters if you want to actually justify your opinion.

I have no problem with you disliking it (opinions and all that), but your opinion seems grounded in faulty reasoning. Just because it's a fictional world doesn't mean that you can just reject logic and the reasonable progression of characters and their dynamics as the world changes around them.

Problem is, they are all so heavy out of character. Why the hell did they not inform Fate about this plan? Nanoha and Fate fighting with Nanoha not even explaining her reasons? Seriously? That is the most stupid, artificial drama ever.

Maybe they assumed, rather reasonably, that Fate wouldn't really approve of causing a massive civil war for the sake of finding out whether the authoritarian crackdown or the lax instability was better? After assuming that, giving her the information that the entire war was orchestrated for such a reason by Hayate would turn Hayate from high ranking military official into the most hated person in the universe, sabotaging both the New Council and Hayate's chances of surviving.

And, even if Fate would agree to all of this (unlikely), putting her on the side of the New Council takes the rebellion's only chance of actually succeeding away from them. It's already lopsided in favor of the New Council, so imagine taking Fate, the rebellion's most powerful mage and commander, away from them. You can't really determine which government is better when one side could completely crush the other without the use of the controversial guns and androids.

As for Nanoha not explaining her reasons, see above if you want to assume she's doing this for the same reason as Hayate. She might also prefer the more authoritarian government over what came before, and Fate disagreed, causing the divide between them. Sure, they love each other and would rather not fight, but they're adults now and sometimes how the entire universe will be governed takes precedence over personal feelings.

Fate is visibly conflicted about it, while Nanoha seems to have steeled herself, which fits their personalities. Fate is overly caring and nurturing; adopting orphaned children and being the one who generally "spoils" Vivio. Nanoha, on the other hand, is ruthless and disciplined; shooting down Teana for her irresponsible behavior and consistently making Vivio stand on her own instead of helping her. Their personalities pretty much fit how they've acted in BetrayerS, from which side they're on to how they act in battle.

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I can't remember some of the side characters names, but here we go.

The use of physical weapons (guns) grew amongst the people of the dimensions and resulted in a staggering increase in murder and instability. To counter this, the governmental use of androids and guns was proposed but rejected by the TSAB due to their charter forbidding it, until Subaru and Ginga's father was killed and support for the proposal grew. After it was still rejected, Hayate initiated a coup and instilled her godfather as the new Council Leader who would approve the proposition and pretty much gave Hayate an army of androids. Fate and the others refused to recognize the new council and were declared traitors who are now fighting to return the TSAB to its former state. The rebels revealed all this to the public to cause some of the people to revolt to their side, and used Vivio as something to unify the rebels, the church, the ones who just revolted, and every other faction opposed to the New Council. According to Signum and Agito, this was all part of Hayate's plan to divide the world into two groups and, seemingly, determine which group was better.

I really wish they would release a proper sequel/conclusion to this considering it's loads better than Force. Nanoha, Fate, Signum, and all the rest have someone to fight who's actually on their level without having some bullshit anti-magic, there's no new male protagonist who can kill everyone by thinking it, and, most importantly, those jackets are badass.

This is Dowman Sayman, so I doubt it'll be as simple as plucking a hair and taking off a hair band. If it weren't, yeah that'd probably be the way to go with someone primed to jump you, a tsundere, and a composed character.

Gonna agree with everyone else and just hope that the author wasn't trying to make Chieri likeable, because they did a really bad job if they were. Really annoying that the only yuri couple is involves someone who has sex with every guy she meets, which makes me glad that I skipped reading most of the chapters.

Nope, just the end of volume two.

Tragedy just had to seep it's way into quirky librarian yuri. I'm gonna go cry now.

So that's what it feels like to get diabetes.

It'll never get to the yuri levels of the fanworks (I doubt anything ever will), but NanoFate will pretty much always have the incredibly blatant subtext.

OBAMA HORSE

THERE'S A OBAMA HORSE

There's an Obama Horse that seems to have executed corrupt businessmen and bankers and displayed their corpses for all to see. That or he just hung them up by their wrists in an incredibly painful and crippling position, which is still pretty awesome.

Also, Class Pres keeps it real.

I don't like him either, but let's be realistic here, the guy is just calling Youko "imouko" not knowing that it bothers her A LOT. So, is it really his fault? I think Youko's taking it too much personally and that's reasonable, because well... they're middle schoolers. And Maki standing up for the senpai is just middle school love for ya... i think i made my point.

Well hasn't Youko been pretty visibly annoyed every time Keita brings up her sister? She growls when he says she doesn't look like her sister, and gives him nothing but dirty looks when he calls her Imoko, and then he goes on to institutionalize that nickname amongst absolutely everyone. If you had an issue with being constantly compared to your older siblings, someone going out of their way to do nothing but insult and compare you to your siblings (and go on to have everyone else do the same) would bother you.

As for Maki, she just comes across as completely insensitive to Youko. She tells her to "just put up with it" and tries to pressure her into joining a club she quite clearly doesn't want to join in chapter 4. She then does nothing but praise and defend the guy her best friend hates (which is what everyone in the damn school seems to be doing) and only says she'll ask him to stop when Youko actually starts crying, completely ignoring all the times she said it annoyed her and how she hated it.

I just want to know why she's crying

Because it's the first time in ever that Mizuho is actually out there looking for her instead of waiting at home.

sarroush, I don't think that's why she's crying. especially since she asked Kana not to call Kanae.

Why would asking Kana not to call her support that? If it's the first time Mizuho went searching for her, that seems like a pretty good reason to cry if the entire issue with the relationship was that both of them wondered how much the other cared. She probably wants to go find her herself instead of having Kana call her magic double phone.

d'awws, everyone's stopped acting like insecure idiots. Was expecting something a bit more to convince Mizuho to break out of her habit, though.

And, other than wondering why Ena doesn't want to call Mizuho (I'm thinking she wants to go out and find her herself), how was Kana actually going to call her? Didn't Mizuho give Kana her cellphone?

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As much as I liked the anime and am overjoyed that the adaptation actually got made, I will say the added fanservice did make me feel disappointed. I'm still going to watch every episode multiple times, and I've still started an actual Crunchyroll account just for this show, and I'm going to watch that damn counter count down every Friday, but I hope Akuma no Riddle and every other potential yuri manga adaptation manages to come throughout without the extra fanservice tacked on.

I feel like there's a page missing at the end... the page where Homura wakes up and it gets depressing.

Aww Yuuka~ (Youkai Moe~)

And then, aww, Little Medi with the sign.

everyone knows that crying cute girls are a huge turn on... right?

Only if they're crying cutely.

Thank you for that, I was reading that dandelion is a very common flower but I couldn't just get the meaning, it seems that way (the way you put it), but I don't know... Since Kana was for me the main character and was introduced first, is it really okay to turn her into a support character later ? I will wait the next chapter with lots of expectations.

No problem, schools out so I don't really have anything else to possibly overanalyze. With that said, Kana could still be the main character, the story would just be from the perspective of someone outside the relationship; it wouldn't be the first time a story was about someone dealing with one of their family member's issues. Though it's kind of giving everyone's perspective at this point and Kana might just not be the protagonist.

Sleep rolling's obviously all about technique (gotta go vertical, not horizontal!), but I'll let it go because it was adorable and I need to escape before the cuteness takes over.

Lilies stand for purity, what does Dandelion stand for in the flower's language? I found in Spanish something related to oracles... And in English: DANDELION - Faithfulness; Happiness

But I'm not sure about that topic ! I just want to understand the name of the manga and maybe then... The characters.

Well Lily = Yuri, so that could very easily be the reason why that was used rather than it signifying some kind of purity. And a Dandelion is just a common weed that would be out of place amongst a bunch of lilies, as Kana is out of place amongst a pair of lesbians. Kana probably doesn't really get why Mizuho is so self-conscious and acts the way she does, nor does she seem to get Ena at all and can bring a more common understanding of relationships to the fearful couple.

As for the faithfulness/happiness meaning of dandelions, it could mean that Kana will bring about faithfulness and happiness to the relationship between Mizuho and Ena.

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wow. Such chapter. So details. Much explained.
WTF is this shit? Most worthless chapter I've ever seen in a manga. Clarified nothing. I'm not even sure if she even actually loves the blonde girl (I can't remember any of their names) anymore.

So I'm going to assume the reasonable, if a bit hollow, first line is sarcasm while the hyperbolic complaints that followed were serious. If that's not than ignore some of the parts below that are meant for you:

Did you actually pay attention to what was happening before you rushed off to make a whiny comment? This chapter just showed us part of Mizuho's past that very likely led to her being so insecure and awkward in the relationship as well as giving her perspective of Ena's running away that one time in that she was worried.

She's overly self-conscious and insecure and that leads to her being non-confrontational to avoid problems as much as she can instead of facing them. I personally took that Mizuho does love Ena (I doubt that "I still love..." was referring to someone else considering she was talking about Ena right before and after) and that she might even think that Ena's cheating on her, putting her in that gay boyfriend's "disadvantageous" position.

This is pure plot information with some reasonable assumptions filling out the ambiguous bits.

You might want to do the whole black out thing, just in case.

I want Kana to stay with Ena... And Mizuho is doing a terrific job to get that ending, Mizuho just went with the flow in the relationship and when the time merited, she didn't consider Ena's feelings, she didn't thought with the heart. I really wouldn't mind if they make up again, that's okay... I just like the little sister more even though she seems too hysteric.

Oh Kana's definitely better than Mizuho and if Mizuho doesn't shape the fuck up soon than Ena should just drop her, but I can understand why she's so insecure and acting the way she does. The reason I doubt that Ena will leave though is that something like that seems like it'd have a very big, very bad impact on Mizuho, which might just be a bit too depressing for the author to actually make happen.

I also notice that couples in Takemiya's manga are often light hair and dark hair..

That's funny. I remember reading a thread on MangaFox (before I stopped using it) that someone else noticed shoujo manga couples are usually of matching hair colors.

I'm pretty sure it's almost always light hair and dark hair. It's because you can't exactly make black on black on black on black on dark brown very exciting to look at and different hair colors (or just light/dark when it's in black and white) help you tell the characters apart.