I'm so fucking excited about this! I love Canno's stuff and I'm extremely ready to dig into poly as a main theme/conflict instead of just something for the last minute.

We barely even get it as something last minute usually.

True, even when it feels like it could really work, it's just not usually an author's first thought for an endgame.

Also, I don't know about you, but I'm already relating to Rin pretty hard.

I'm relating to both the MC and the tutor already. Falling for someone, thinking I'm monoamorous, and then starting to fall for someone else out of nowhere and just going wait what. And also being polyamorous but that not meshing with the people you like and being sad and wondering if there's something wrong with you, and feeling like you need to love multiple people to feel fulfilled. Been there on both counts.

It really sucks when you can feel something great with someone, but they're hard mono. Also, convincing people that you legit cannot do monoamory is awkward, shitty, and painful.

So let's look forward to some of THAT angst!

Nana to kaoru isn't yuri but it sure as fuck is BDSM. Good BDSM too... I think.

Anyway, double chapters on next upload. Should be in a day or two.

Nana to Kaoru will probably remain the gold standard for BDSM in manga for decades to come. It's just so good.

I'm so fucking excited about this! I love Canno's stuff and I'm extremely ready to dig into poly as a main theme/conflict instead of just something for the last minute.

We barely even get it as something last minute usually.

True, even when it feels like it could really work, it's just not usually an author's first thought for an endgame.

Also, I don't know about you, but I'm already relating to Rin pretty hard.

I'm so fucking excited about this! I love Canno's stuff and I'm extremely ready to dig into poly as a main theme/conflict instead of just something for the last minute.

I'm kind of jealous of the nipple funnels.

Also, this kind of story telling feels like one of the creations of the manga club from Virgin's Empire lol

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I'm definitely not entirely comfortable with this chapter, but I'll stick around for a while, hopefully it gets better

I'll be blunt, the low point for this kinda stuff is probably chapter 5 and then it gets less overtly aggressive from that point on. I'm thinking of releasing double chapters to blunt the impact slightly, if possible.

I don't think it's gonna help avoid the complains but I'll stick with it until the end! if anything, just use a tag like dubious consent or a warning page at the start, and if they read it anyway and get mad, that's on them.

Of course, I get it, it's more beautiful when everything works out mutually, but if it isn't the case and you're fully aware you just have to make a choice.

God I wish Dynasty used consent tags more consistently I'm real tired of being blindsided with rape scenes.

If there is a rape scene, it's generally tag as such you know. Here it's just that MC is guillable and the two neighboors are playing on it. They're just more aggresive (and lesbians) version of Hino-san.

Usually only if it's violent rape rather than that Japanese trope where the character is visibly distressed and keeps saying no but I'm expected to interpret that as her being coy.

Consent is sexy I wish they didn't always have people say 'no' over and over ugh.

I wonder if that's an 'actual japanese culture is this way in regards to being in sexually charged situations' thing or just a 'japanese media is this way' thing (probably both)

I suspect it's an artistic exaggeration of the existing societal expectation that women be extremely demure about wanting sex. There's a pretty massive genre of porn for the fetish of 'innocent/pure' women being corrupted into enjoying sex.

tbf, it's hot. Also to be fair, it's only hot if the innocent girl want to be corrupted, and is actively into her corruption. That's some A+ shit.

Consent is sexy, and this kind of stuff is only really good if there's a safeword involved and everyone fully understands and communicates what they're comfortable with. Which is something that's always left behind the scenes even though it's probably the most important step. And then people think it's normal and think people saying "no" is just for fun when it's not.

Oh I mean, yeah if we're talking CNC, what with 'corruption' that's not even necessarily CNC, I just meant girls who are presumed as innocent who actually are just kinda horny, and really want another girl in bed. But yeah for CNC safewords are obviously essential, as are checking in, and aftercare, and a bunch of other stuff that isn't handled. Proper BDSM never shows up in manga tho so that's not surprising, even if it is disappointing.

I would adore a series that featured BDSM with actual aftercare. Some kind of Cute Girls Doing Cute Things show but with floggers and rope, I guess? Really it would be nice to see BDSM that gets into how different people's taste can get as far as what kinds of scenes/play they're into.

Yeah. The mascots are definitely working together.

Also, I don't think I like the new girl. Her design is nice and all, but her power is a bit too broken to be interesting. It seems like she just wins unless a deus ex machina stops her. Sure, she technically has some sort of time limit on her power use, but that's so ill defined that it's no better than plot convenience.

I don't think that's much of an issue in the sense that power levels have never really been a thing in this story. I'm going to guess that her power is meant as a thematic foil to Baiser's; Alice strips away their agency and pushes them into roles that she defines. Whereas Baiser physically restrains them but ultimately pushes them into discovering new things about themselves.

This is all wacky, galaxy-brain media analysis though, so more likely the author just liked the idea and rolled with it lol

Whew someone's thirsty. It's going to be hilarious if they ended up creating a bigger carnivore than themselves.

reversal tag hopeful

A double reversal in this series would be amazing.

Even Mom is charmed!

Kaoru's absolutely gonna get her hands on that footage. Mask might kill her if it doesn't, though.

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Obviously there's some dubious consent here, but I really can't get enough. Love me some women who know what they want lol

Well, that's some fucking baggage to work out. At least Subaru is being very proactive about all l of this

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I think if it was just Micchan walking in on them, Ayane wouldn't even bother stopping at that point. She'd continue as a display of dominance lol

I'm excited for more of this! I like this author. Also, pretty fucking bold to kiss your friend's kid on day 2 lol

It's nice that the friends are so eager to add someone into the fold!

Phew, that's some good making out.

God I wish that were me~

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I'm kind of surprised that they actually did it. Usually that's a misdirect. Also, they're both so useless lol

Sana-chan is, in fact, EXTREMELY horny.

For me I'm more confused than anything. Outside the cheating part Risako hasn't really been a major part of the story so randomly saying she might either love or hate Kaoru feels out of nowhere. The story never really felt like it built any of this enough at this point for me to really buy either.

well, we never did get confirmation that Risako was the one Reiichi was cheating with, we just got to see both of them together on the street, and if Risako was the one, it could be another try at breaking them up, it surely doesn't seem like Risako likes Reiichi that much

I think Risako was in love with Kaoru and accepted to go out with reiichi to try and make her forget about him, sad really, all these confused people

I totally agree. Risako's too much of a coward/confused to be honest with Kaoru, so she just lashes out and tries to prevent her from hooking up with Reiichi.

Too bad for her another rival appeared from the same family lol

I choose to believe that the kinoko/takenoko preferences are a metaphor for top/bottom inclinations. With Akari and Chitose being switches.

The problem with that theory is that Kyouko and Ayano are both on team takenoko, and there's no way that they're the same preference.

That's a good point. I could see Kyouko as either, but Ayano is such a bottom that there's really no getting around it.

I choose to believe that the kinoko/takenoko preferences are a metaphor for top/bottom inclinations. With Akari and Chitose being switches.

It really struck me when the author says in the afterword: “I love girls who can’t be honest about their feelings,” because it really brings out the difference between how authors think and how a lot of readers think.

On the one hand, readers also do respond positively to characters who can’t be honest about their feelings—that’s the tsundere trope in a nutshell, and those are often very popular characters.

But for the “in denial” characters like Micchan, lots of readers are like, “OMG! She needs to get a clue!,” or they spend a lot of energy shipping Denial-chan with everybody in sight, including the MC, etc.

It’s pretty clear that for authors, such characters are an interesting technical challenge, in a way more compelling to create than a lovey-dovey lead (although here Sana is nicely conflicted herself—swept away by Ayane while struggling to come to terms with all her new feelings).

I guess the readers hoping for a change in characters like Micchan are responding the way the authors want them to, but I can see that keeping the characters in denial would be more fun to write.

I think it's just an issue of how long a character can believably stay in denial. Not to say that people don't stay closeted for huge chunks of their lives, but it feels like set up without payoff if they don't come out eventually. At this point, I'd believe Micchan's figured her shit out and is just sad because she got rejected before she realize.

I think most readers here have experienced unrequited love at some point and the sympathy pushes them to want the spurned character to have a proper shot at happiness. Also, in my experience, the third wheel always ends up being more my type lol

It's aliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiveeeeeee!! IT'S ALIVE!
Team Takenoko here, mods, feel free to ban the kinoko peasants if they dare to show around here please.

Ah but seriously, the Akarin x Chinatsu is growing stronger... And the Kyoko x Ayano is always strong, all is good in the world! thank you.

It's honestly my favorite ship in the cast. I still can't imagine this series ever actually ending or resolving a romance, though

HOT DAMN