Look i'm going to be honest. The only character in this that elicits any kind of real emotional reaction out of me is Pporong. Too damn cute.

Omg, I can't with those hearts above his cute little head whenever he cuddles with Sumin. This dog loves her more than he loves Sungji, haha!

Were you guys trying to prove that Sumin could finally move on with Sungji because Sungji was the second person in the would who could make her climax?

Sometimes I wonder where are you picking thoughts like this one, heh.
No, never. It's about love and trust, nor sex per se.

Let's wait for the next chapter to unfold so that we can discuss new topics lol. Meantime, (for those who keep track) new chapter of Citrus is out. as for me, i'm going to enjoy reading it before i get to see new ch of wdtfs as i'm sure it will get me angry, sad, hurt, happy? Lol

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^She doesn't want to be an empty shell and she found out she's not which was proven when she was coming back with Sungji by a bus after Sungji found her with Seju and then by how hard she cried.

At first she was, but she wasn't dead tired afterwards and it looks like Seju did her too. But again, Sumin wasn't tired. She was sitting, having a conversation while smoking a cigarette.

We assume Seju did her too. But all we really saw was Seju straddling and kissing Sumin. How are we to know they then didnt switch? We've already established that Sumin is a top so the probability of switching is high wouldn't you say?

Yes, it's probable and it might've happened.

Yes, but she was enjoying what Sungji was doing to her for a few moments and then it became too much which seems like she came and end up with oversex.

Oversex you say.. well I look at chapter 4, that one was overdoing it with a tough & demanding position.. she then resumed it with Seju.. that what happened with Sungji was pretty the basics.
In all other incounters, u are able to see clearly when the charecter was done.. but not that particular scene. Was it a physical or psychological matter .. this is what I cant identify

But wasn't Sumin still the top there? Also what were the circumstances surround the sex scene in chapter 4?

At first she was, but she wasn't dead tired afterwards and it looks like Seju did her too. But again, Sumin wasn't tired. She was sitting, having a conversation while smoking a cigarette.

We know in the one with Seongji that Sumin only just came back from a flight and was pretty tired from that plus i think having to work for Seongji's affection affected her a bit.

Correct me if i am wrong since Sumin is a top could she be more sensitive since she was not often on the receiving end?

A mixture of those could make her more hypersensitive. I'm very hypersensitive when i am tired.

Yes, that's how I understood it too. It's also different when you want someone the way you haven't in a long, long time or ever. Last time Sumin felt like that was over 10 years ago. She's overwhelmed.

Thanks! This is quite informative. It's not weird at all, i believe you. I just thought it's the same for straight people spontaneously being top or bottom.
It does make sense since Sumin was always on top almost all the time and I wonder how does she cum when she is always on top.

Sumin, was she in pain or pleasure when Sungji topped her? Did she cum? I wasn't sure, since she begged her to stop.

Sometimes, a woman can cum without being touched, by only pleasuring the other lady.. and sometime the joy itself suffice.

Ur last question is what I myself think, it was painful not pleasurable.. it does not look like the usual panting and moans that the creaters make to illustrate pleasure ..
Why is that.. I have no idea.. but maybe bcz of something Sungji said .. or her being a rocky in that aspect
I remember Sungji said: (if I could engrave my name on you I would ).. for someone with a scar that only reminds her of an ex and the associated physical and emotional pain, that comment is enough to drag her out of the mood+ Sumin facial expression.. I can only think about pain not pleasure.
Or was it the change in the power dynamics so suddenly?..mmm
But this is just my interpretation.

Sumin was dead tired after what she did to Sungji, but I'm sure she came and end up with oversex state, which can be both satisfying and painful and since she's usually the top or service bottom, she couldn't stand being in such state.

There is a type of hypersensitivity where a pleasurable act can become too much and that the receiver looks uncomfortable or in pain.

Yes, but she was enjoying what Sungji was doing to her for a few moments and then it became too much which seems like she came and end up with oversex.

Thanks! This is quite informative. It's not weird at all, i believe you. I just thought it's the same for straight people spontaneously being top or bottom.
It does make sense since Sumin was always on top almost all the time and I wonder how does she cum when she is always on top.

Sumin, was she in pain or pleasure when Sungji topped her? Did she cum? I wasn't sure, since she begged her to stop.

Sometimes, a woman can cum without being touched, by only pleasuring the other lady.. and sometime the joy itself suffice.

Ur last question is what I myself think, it was painful not pleasurable.. it does not look like the usual panting and moans that the creaters make to illustrate pleasure ..
Why is that.. I have no idea.. but maybe bcz of something Sungji said .. or her being a rocky in that aspect
I remember Sungji said: (if I could engrave my name on you I would ).. for someone with a scar that only reminds her of an ex and the associated physical and emotional pain, that comment is enough to drag her out of the mood+ Sumin facial expression.. I can only think about pain not pleasure.
Or was it the change in the power dynamics so suddenly?..mmm
But this is just my interpretation.

Sumin was dead tired after what she did to Sungji, but I'm sure she came and end up with oversex state, which can be both satisfying and painful and since she's usually the top or service bottom, she couldn't stand being in such state.

Points for Sumin being not emotionally/mentally healthy are:
1) she closed herself off, she's not showing her vulnerable side to anyone, efen Seju (except of that one time after she got beaten by redhed's fiance and came over to Seju - broken and dead tired - she said she's numb and empty ----> Seju ENJOYED IT)
**that is until Sungji came to her life - she let her see her vulnerable before they were a couple
2) even when she's a bottom, she's still the service and ends up dead tired without a release - at least for the past 10 years she never let anyone do it for her
**that is until Sungji came to her life
3) she forgot what having fun is
***that is until Sungji reminded her
4) she wanted someone to hold onto her (hint: now she wants someone to hold onto - Sungji)
5) she stopped understanding other people to the point she freaked out when she thought Sungji is angry and she went to her hometown in the middle of the night, desperate enough to let the guy use a radio to announce she's waiting for "the person who knows her"
6) she puked after a strap-on sex
7) she tried to see if Sungji is just about sex by using sad stories (and end up by being reminded there are still people with good hearts who simply wants to be there for you when you're not well)
8) she stopped understanding her own feelings to the point in which she didn't know if it's ok for her to like Sungji and if she's allowed to say that she does

Points for Seju being manipulative:
1) she was pushing Sumin and Sungji to get together
2) the moment she saw Sumin's relationship with Sungji is going to be deep, she started planting seeds by for example telling Sungji Sumin had lots of women and she'll never love her
3) she enjoyed Sumin's broken and beaten state after her break up with the redhead, which to me is a prove she was the one who relvealed the truth to the redhead's fiance
4) she was constantly saying she'll get Sumin back
5) quote of her thoughts after Sumin came to her beaten up and broken "That was all I wanted. To be able to feel these feelings. I wish things would be more difficult for you. That way every time you come to me, you'll also hate me."
6) quote in the elevator after Sungji saw her with Sumin: "If you were trying to shake me off, you should've done it quicker. I'm going to get you back.""
7) she made sure Sungji will see them together
8) she made it hard for Sumin to refuse to sleep with her (it was actually kind of forceful, she pushed her many times) and said "just once let me do what I want" (the truth is she was always doing whatever she wanted, she just lost the person who she wanted first by cheating and then, her own brother made sure Sumin would be unable to go back to her for good)

You say Sumin slept with 30 girls in the past 10 years? Yeah, so what? She broke up with Seju, she was allowed to do so. She came back to Seju? Yeah, and THIS was a mistake, but Seju liked it, enjoyed it and plotted how to get her back for good along with making Sumin hate her more and more because she enjoyed seeing Sumin in pain - she's most responsive when she's broken. I bet she hated to see Sumin getting more and more back to who she used to be, thanks to Sungji. That had to hurt a lot, more than anything else in the past 10 years. Sumin was lucky she found a person who was able to make her move on. Not to mention, Seju did pushed their buttons. She helped them get together. She made a mistake and couldn't stand it - she once again burned herself. And I think it's all because she stopped knowing Sumin. She knew her years back, when they were still together, but the moment Sumin had shut herself everything changed. Sumin became an empty shell of who she used to be, difficult to read because the walls she had built around herself. Add clueless and lack of perceptive and you end up with a person who's like a book written in an alien language.

As I said many times, non Seju or Sumin are angels, they both had hurt each other, but no matter how much I re-read the manga, I see Seju's actions as worse. It doesn't mean I want her to end up hurt. I really, trully, want her to find happiness too. She often ends up as a victim of her own actions and she's too stubborn to admit it and stop it. She's closed too, she has her own insecurities as well. And there's no one who'd push her button yet - maybe Nami in the future, which I'd like very much.

I think the moment she saw Sumin sleeping on Sungji's lap and then she found out Sumin spent her parents' anniversary with Sungji - a very special day - she figured this relationship is going to be deep.

^She was pushing their buttons since the beginning. Sumin even dreamed about Seju having fun with Sungji because of it.

it would be lovely if Sumin would finally look into her stuff and find the watch that Seju gave her.. maybe she would remember the conversation with her and ask her why she hired Sungji and pushed them to be together in the first place.

I think it was already explained by Seju wishing more hurt in Sumin's life because she wants her to always crawl back to her in pain and with hate.

^Sumin is happy, Sungji confident, Seju unsure/sad.
Sungji became the wall between Sumin and Seju.

^Of course it doesn't ;) Some people are simply better at hiding it.

Seju got sick last time too, she almost collapsed at work, and she didn't even have any medicine at home, she is not better than Sumin.

And yet, it's always Sumin who people ask if she's not sick. Ever since she was a kid, Seju made sure Sumin was well covered and taken care of because apparently her health wasn't really that good and she didn't care for it either. Don't forget about her being constantly tired too and it's also a condition that goes way back to when she was a kid.
Oh, and one thing I've always seen weird is the fact that Sumin is very pale. Her skin tone is lighter than Seju's and Sungji's. No idea if it's made on purpose or not.

Seju looks like someone who's not sick very often tbh. Why would she need meds at home when she's fine most of the time? I'm the same tbh. The only meds I have are antihistamines since I'm an allergic and Ibuprofen if I'm in any pain, but it's usually out of date since I take it like once or twice a year.

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Just because Sumin always dates someone doesn't mean that she has to have a person to lean on in order to live, nor she will not be able to live alone.

It was proven over and over again she's unable to take care of herself well enough. Especially when it comes to her health.

Just because Seju was saying things doesn't mean they're true. She never, not even once, tried to take her own life. She was able to live alone, unlike Sumin, which makes her stronger IMO.

^Never said Sumin is strong. I actually said something completely different - she's weak and submissive. And that's why she always came back to Seju (even when she didn't want to - for example, Seju pretty much ordered to come to her, Sumin said no, but since Seju insisted, Sumin instened to her and came), but it was something Seju wanted and waited for. Just like she wanted Sumin to hate her. Why? I have no idea and I don't know if it'll ever be revealed. But we do know Sumin is most responsive to Seju when she's depressed or hurt so Seju used it and most likely will try to do it again, but Sungji isn't some unknown bimbo who doesn't really care about Sumin. She stood up to Seju already, she'll do it again if she has to.

I think Nami was right to believe it was Seju who revelaed everything to that redhead fiance. I also think Seju was behind a couple of more Sumin's break ups because of her manipulative and possessive attitude. Pushing Sumin to be with Sungji was also part of her plan to hurt Sumin, I believe. Sumin is completely clueless and she lacks perceptive so she never found out. Heck, she didn't even know Seju used her perfume until Sungji told her they smell the same...

And like I said many times - Sumin x Seju relationship is toxic to both of them. They can't be together, but they can heal, move on and stay friends without benefits if they work on it. And I wish for them to forgive each other and live happy, just not together-together.

^The call was one and no more. I'm not denying she was coming back (just read all of my posts, please), but they were broken up already so even if it was bad for her to come back to Seju over and over again, she had every right to sleep with other women since they were not a couple anymore for all those 10 years. Yes, she used her. Yes, she accepted the gifts. Yes, she called her once. And yes, she always came back, but how many times did she came back because Seju ruined another one of her relationships? We know she tried to be with someone 30 times before Sungji, we know at least once Seju was behind ruining her relationship (even tho it wasn't good for Sumin, we also know, thanks to Nami, she had other ways to reveal it, but she chose the most - I quote - shocking, undesirable solution) and we know Seju always repeated she'll get her back and will always be there, waiting for her to come back. For Seju, this looked like kinda a relationship, for Sumin it was nothing more than friends with benefits.
IMO Sumin is not someone who can live alone for long. She needs someone to take care of her. So she used Seju this way, but Seju WANTED IT, just like she wanted Sumin to hate her more and more.

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Sumin acts cold and distant to Seju after they broke up. so it is not hard to see why Seju can't make Sumin happy again even though she tried many times to be there for her. their relationship ended badly, so Sumin's good memories of her and Seju turn into a negative/bad nostalgia every time she remembers them. she probably just wants to forget it and move on but she can't. well, that's until Sungji come into the picture.

It's not just that she acts cold etc. Seju had 10 years to fix things. If she couldn't have done it, it means she probably didn't work hard enough (she never had to before, Sumin was always there with her up until that incident).

I still think Seju is the lesser evil between her and Sumin. maybe, Seju cheated on her and her brother beat her up so badly that she needed to cover her scars with tattoos. but Sumin emotionally tortured Seju for 10 years as her revenge for that one night. I would probably hated Seju, if she didn't show any guilt or remorse for hurting Sumin but she did everything for her.

Well I think Seju's actions are worse, but we're all free to have our opinions :)
Yes, Sumin did hurt Seju at least with that one (literally one) call when she was having sex with the other woman, but we know it happened once and was never shown again. Ever. What Seju did later on? She made sure at least one of Sumin's relationships blew up badly and she constantly repeated she wants Sumin to always come back to her and hate her. Even in the newest chapters she said she'll get her back. She's possessive, but this time she's facing Sungji who's not afraid of her and now is prepared for all kinds of manipulations.

it's just that Seju might have given Sumin everything she wanted but it is not exactly what she needed. it can't be helped though, Sumin did put an emotional barrier between her and Seju.

Sumin only wanted a car and a house, she was prepared to buy it herself (well, her dad was about to buy her a car I think?), but Seju was the first to make this move and bought it for her. The company was renovated by Seju's dad who felt responsible for an attack on her and it looks like he financed quite a lot of her needs afterwars as a compansation.

imo, Sumin's reason that Seju might kill herself if she leave her is pure B.S. it's just her excuse to stay by her side so, she could see Seju miserable when she fooled around with other girls and then leave her when she found a suitable replacement. Sungji did cure her depression with her pure and innocent character without actually talking about it or building a deeper emotional connection between them.

Yeah, Seju didn't try even once to take her own life. Her bro said that because his mom "commited a suicice" which I believe was actually a homicide. There was even an investigation because the case stinked, but the police couldn't prove anything.
I actually think Sungji did build a deep emotional connection with Sumin tbh. Sumin can't imagine her life without her. She cried so hard only after Seju's betrayal before, which proves she loves this girl very, very deep and her emotions are real, feelings are strong. She may not show it all the time since she's kinda flegmatic and introvert, but she's way different from who she used to be for 10 years. Even Nammi commented on it a couple of times.

I recommend people read chapter 55 and then read the season 2 summary with Team Gaji. Pay attention especially to the flashback in chapter 55 which actually take place between season 1 & 2.

Seonji is tougher than people give her credit. Her last lines to Seju are "things aren't going to end the way you want them too. Now it's different"

There is no Seju and Seongji friendship, they are rivals with Sumin as the prize.

Right now - yes. But in the future - who knows. I wish for them to get along.

^What's interesting is the fact that Sungji brought a lot of happiness to Sumin (and woke up her childish side), even Nami commented on it. Seju wasn't able to do it for 10 years even though pretty much all of Sumin's happy memories are with her.

I'm glad Mel isn't hiding things from Lynn. And Lynn is right, Mel shouldn't be blaming herself. Not only what's done is done, but also it was an accident. Terrible one, but still an accident. And Sue is the one responsible for it. She broke Mel's heart so much that she thought she's unable to love, she was afraid of doing it and being loved for many years. Lynn woke her up and it's good she's there for her. I only hope she won't die...

Yeah, Sumin has no perceptive at all, but I find it cute :D

^Unless you know someone would never even consider being followed ;) Sumin is completely clueless.