As long as it doesn't go the gag manga route and drag out the initial joke until it's lost any semblance of humour or life this seems like it could be a really fun series.

Or just don't have them A-support with anyone but the character you want them paired with.

It was me, me, me! I was first! I was the first one who called it! I predicted that Onibi and Nao would become a couple, thus breaking the seemingly obvious (at first glance) pairing of Onibi with Mask-sempai — and, in this way, freeing Mask-sempai for Kaoru's love!

I'm so proud of myself right now. Ehem!

It's been pretty obvious this was gonna be the pairing since they were featured on the volume 12 cover together.

I can see this pairing working. Shipping could be viewed as voyeurism with fictional subjects especially the kind Onibi engages in.

^ I was just gonna say this lol. The exact same thing applies to anyone being a fan of yuri surely? are you saying us all loving and being fans of yuri is somehow dehumanising and fetishizing a minority unless we are lesbians? Because that certainly isnt how i think about it.

There's a difference between liking something and the kind of dehumanizing obsession I'm talking about. If you act something like the protagonist of Yuri Danshi then you're the yuri fan equivalent of what I'm criticizing.

Fetishizing? Is this a hentai? I thought it was just something the characters like to do/talk about like music or play table games... Is like, you want to make it look worse just because you don't like it.

Queer people aren't a hobby is the thing and treating them like one is kind of dehumanizing. It'd be different if it were part of a broader enjoyment of shipping in general but obsessing over and idealizing a minority group that you aren't a part of (in this case queer men) isn't a great look especially considering how entrenched stereotypes are in this kind of fandom. It's not functionally different from white dudes talking about "yellow fever."

fujoshit again

When will this fad end?
People read yuri for the cute girls doing cute stuff together and not for the cute girls talking about BL with each other.

You people will bitch about anything lmao

The fetishizing of queer people in fandom culture is one of its most off putting aspects and it's definitely something I tolerate rather than enjoy or want to see media about. Like, I enjoy this manga so far but I'd enjoy it more if it were about basically any other fandom niche.

I really like this series' super soft tone and reasonable level of drama.

The obvious solution here is for Mio to intervene and bring them together for a meal.

I really wish not. I understand it's the title but i don't want Mio to do too much for Shizuku.

You don't seem to have a good reason for that though. The story clearly puts the brother in the wingman/suppoprt role, so wanting something else misses the point.

I can see how him doing everything stunts her development as a character because she never has to overcome her limitations to contribute to her relationship with Saki.

My sister just started playing the game today and she likes that femByleth's midriff is showing. She thinks mbyleth has a boring outfit and should upgrade.

It just does not make sense for a mercenary or a teacher, and generally looks messy.

It's still not as bad as the Enlightened One outfit, that thing is just hideously uncoordinated. The academy uniform from the DLC is pretty nice though.

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femByleth has such a dumb outfit, should have just been the same as the male variant. I guess this was pretty cute at least.

I like to imagine that Byleth just has a terrible fashion sense.

f!Byleth's dumb outfit is the concession to straight dude fanservice we had to make for every other female character to actually look good.

It was a really strange choice to have all this cuteness happen between them and then not even give them an A support option.

Congrats, Nononon, it looks like Yumimi has fallen for you.

Yup, even though you didn't do squat to court her and win her heart.

Some people just have all the darn luck.

She did her best!

Thanks! I am so mad at Shizuka right now, Mio deserves better than this bullshit and I hope she doesn't try to just wallpaper over this and try to pretend everything is fine.

Yuu's unwitting and unwilling acquisition of a harem is pretty great.

146 was just stupidly adorable and Yumimi is right, soft bellies are super cute.

Yeah this significant upload lag really just murders any ability to discuss the chapters here.

I'm so tired of this character, can we move on yet?

ok

Nice.

The breast bite sold me, moar!

It was the total opposite for me. I sat here thinking, "dude, you're biting into mostly fat, there are way better and more vascular spots to chomp and still be your bad ecchi self", but nobody ever listens to me...

Nah, I get you. The inner thigh is a classic of the lesbian vampire genre for a reason.

I'm trying to be better about pigeonholing other people's interpretations, but I do think the series seems to be doing it's best to reasonably reflect young people struggling with nuanced questions of identity, so It makes me a little sad to see so many people on here being harsh on it for whatever reason.

Personally. I appreciate what this manga is trying to do, I really do, and I enjoy Hime's new butch look, that said, I'd be lying if I said the writing wasn't seriously flawed. Even looking back at previous chapters, knowing what they where leading up to, Im still confused. Like the chapter where Hime talks to her parents, should be one of those chapters that you look back on and go "of course", but I just looked back on it, and I'm still confused what that chapter is trying to say. I'm, not even sure what it is, but there is something about the way this manga is told that I have difficulty following.

Right? Like that whole chapter is a monologue about something and I still am not sure what that something was. My issue is that the stances this manga preaches are often either tedious bullshit or extensive navel gazing with no clear point.

Literally everything Izumi says is benign and possibly even beneficial but then her body language is super menacing and it's really weird.

I am so tired of these protracted flashbacks. It's like this author heard "show don't tell" and was determined to prove that could be way worse than an exposition dump. Basically nothing that has been revealed by these flashbacks so far is something I didn't just guess or assume.

All of the above posts are true, but I still can't help liking Kaoru. I want to see more of her interacting with her sister and the fujoshi group.

I actually really enjoy those chapters they give a glimpse of her humanity and give me hope for like actual character development for her beyond the (kind of stale at this point) "cold player" archetype she fulfills.

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Yeah, mild amusement is how I remember her response to Mio as well. I don't think Kaoru has a "finish line" in mind as far as her and Shizuka go I think she just expects her to continue to be available to her until she gets bored of her too. I don't think she views Shizuka as particularly special outside of the fact that she's likely the first girl to dump her before she lost interest in them and that challenged her narcissism so now she needs to reassert her desirability. Mask-senpai's complete and utter rejection of her advances is probably gonna take priority over that now because it's a greater challenge to her self-image.

You simply don't sink that much sustained effort into "winning back" someone if you don't attach great importance to them.

You do if you're a narcissist whose self image hinges on the belief that you're supremely desirable. I don't think she cares about Shizuka as a person I think she cares about her as a living representation of her failure as a seductress.

And if memory serves she pretty much clued in on the whole ShizukaxMio business ages ago which doesn't seem to particularly bother her; neither, if memory serves, has she done anything noteworthy to get in the way thereof beyond her usual near ritualised flirting with the former.

Tolerably sure that ain't exactly textbook pathological narcissist behaviour...

I would argue that she simply doesn't view Mio as an actual barrier between her and Shizuka because as far as she's concerned she's the most important and desirable person in any space she occupies so of course Shizuka will continue to be available to her, extraneous romantic entanglements or no. Viewing Mio as a rival would be less narcissistic than dismissing her out of hand.

Well it's not like she appears to harbor any particular doubts about the inevitability of eventually regaining Shizuka's affection, though I sort of got the impression she'd started getting more proactive presumably in view of the fact that they're both third-years and it'd probably be a good idea to reach the finish line before graduation. But really, it can be argued she's just being consistent there; as most people's standard of fidelity apparently just... doesn't compute to her at all why then, within the framework of her own idiosyncratic valueset about such matters, should it bother her at all if Shizuka too has other dalliances?

Going off memory here since I CBA to hunt down all the relevant chapters for the sake of the argument but IIRC she mainly seemed to be mildly amused by the whole thing (and presumably also Shizu's unconvincing denials about it).

Yeah, mild amusement is how I remember her response to Mio as well. I don't think Kaoru has a "finish line" in mind as far as her and Shizuka go I think she just expects her to continue to be available to her until she gets bored of her too. I don't think she views Shizuka as particularly special outside of the fact that she's likely the first girl to dump her before she lost interest in them and that challenged her narcissism so now she needs to reassert her desirability. Mask-senpai's complete and utter rejection of her advances is probably gonna take priority over that now because it's a greater challenge to her self-image.