Kase still doesn't see anything wrong with what she's done. She's even making fun of Yamada's reaction... And Fukami should have seen the hickey, but still doesn't reconsider anything and insted moves forward with her confession.

I thought I was reading Yamada to Kase-san, turns out I actually got lost in Kuzu no Honkai.

Huhuh. Kinda makes me wish for a Insane Amount of Top/Bottom Energy

Queen : There is no need to be bound by old customs, and we didn't even plan to marry her.

Well, looking at how she doesn't give a fuck about being separated from her own lover but now suddenly makes light of it all, it seems like that girl was quite lucky. Queen is a bitch and didn't care about her lover at all.

Aw grandma got class Sd

feelsbad. Well, I guess it's nice that they're still friends and, based on what we saw of them, we can probably suppose that she didn't want more in the first place.

But! Watanabe, if you end up in the same situation with Yoshioka, I'm gonna travel to the manga world to kick your ass into a time portal so that you get it right.

Yeah it's honestly a really good albeit depressing reason as to why Mayne does everything she does

At least that part is shown in a flashback and quickly over. It can be frustrating when the pacing or timing makes it hard to move on from the more depressing parts of a story. Being able to immediately reconnect with the "now" gives her story depth without making the reading experience excessively unpleasant.

So we've got a villainess who doesn't care about either of the MCs, and her love interest who isn't part of the academy. I'm going to be laughing if the two main characters of the original story just don't play a role at all.

I've read a few stories with this sort of lesbian double-transmigration premise and I'm all for another, especially with this art.

Any recs ? The only double-transmigration I can think of are After School Re-Reincarnation (kind of a special case) and that one very NSFW doujin, but this trope sounds too wonderful to ignore the potential for more.

Fuyuka-sama <3

Ultimately, as others have mentioned, Shiki's current angle of "oh she's just like this" is toxic too (or at least that's how I interpreted her recent takes), but that doesn't justify Mariya's methods.

Mariya's approach might not have worked, but it rose from Koto's own expression of a desire to change. It's not like she forced Koto, she gave her a push that she objectively needs for Koto to try and pursue her own desires.

And while it didn't work as they hoped, we see now that it wasn't completely pointless, as Koto was able to reflect on herself, to think of her future, and to reconnect with Mariya. All being far more progress than she's ever made with her other friends.

In that aspect, I'd say Shiki's angle is far worse, because she's just discouraging Koto. If she was happy with her current self, that might be mostly fine (although with some issues of not being self-sufficient), but when Koto actually desires and is trying to change, having a friend telling her that she shouldn't is terribly destructive and demoralizing.

I actually really like the "trophy wife" line from Mariya. After realizing that her previous approach didn't work, Mariya neither gave up nor decided to hold her hand. Instead, she told Koto that she'd be there to support her, but putting it in a way that, even to Koto's low self-esteem, was too self-deprecating. It's like a safety net, telling Koto that even if she fails, there will be someone for her, but also making her want not to use that safety net and manage things by herself.

While this, in itself, isn't going to solve Koto's problems, it at least gives her hope to have someone by her side even in the worst case scenario.

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She got rejected twice... Well, yeah. When you go and try to use a fight as an excuse to kiss your crush's sister who already has a girlfriend and hope she'll choose you... It's hardly surprising that with a personality like that, she's still single.

I'm glad Ritsu and Kyouko made up, because good things happening on the positive side is the best, but also that the senpai is, hopefully, out of the picture. Being nice and helping them make up with each other doesn't erase that her actions in the previous chapter were wrong.

Kyouko is such a sweetheart to have let things go like that and to have made up, and even forgiven her senpai. I hope Ritsu will learn to cherish her gem of a girlfriend more.

I understand and like that the author is trying to make all the men seem very nice ™️

Both the brother and customers were all super nice, I don't think it was necessary to redeem the ex-boyfriend, though. Not when they broke over very obvious cheating, which was clearly weighing on her that she frequently ended up drunk and was looking for a place to vent.

Well, this is a story, not a recounting of events, so everything happens for a reason and because the author wanted to include it. And I don't think it was written, from the start, with an intent to make light of the cheating, otherwise it wouldn't have been the set-up for the first chapter. I'm still worried about what the reason is here, though, and how it will be resolved.

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And given time,their hearts to can link,closing the loop.

I mean, that could happen, but there's really no sign of it for now. They're both falling for the MC (assuming Diana is in love, which remains to be confirmed) while barely caring about each other.

people really need to stop calling every V-shaped relationship where two love interests like/date the same person but not each other a Harem

Makes no difference, it's still an imbalanced relationship with two characters dating a single person, who is dating two. If that's fine with someone, then there's no reason for harems not to be fine for them as well. And vice-versa, if someone doesn't want to see a harem, they won't want to see a "V-shaped relationship" either.

Not saying it's not fine, but there's definitely a public who doesn't want that kind of story. Which is why it's a tag, after all.

I do wish we had a few more examples of actual threesomes, though. There are some, but not enough.

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Why are you against threesome ?

There is zero chemistry between Diana and Lapis. Not even the shadow of a chance of a threesome route from here, only harem if they go in that direction.

You know I should dislike Diana because she's trying to come between our two leads. But I think she's super sweet

I feel the same. I like her character, which is adorable, yet not her role. Although I do hope she'll remain no more than a close friend. At the same time, if we're talking about her role, given Lapis and Natori's personalities, Diana will eventually do something for sure.

Will the MC end up seducing the Prince or will he be an enemy?

A guy whose introduction is a princess carry of the MC ? An enemy to the readers, at least, for sure.

She said no more drinking, but she didn't say no.

Sure raised an eyebrow when I saw that title. But it's perfect. Her mom even made fun of Pei Yu's attempt being foiled by customer service.

I love that this is a highly deserved Idiot Couple, and yet it's not because they're fussing or hesitating, just that they always try to make silly attempts to get closer to the other or bailing out from being too direct. I just love such motivated, proactive characters.

"Where's that scent of plum blossom coming from ?"

Hahaha. I loved this chapter. Xing teasing Liaoliao with her "friend" and telling her not to play dumb was already very nice to see. But the last part with the telegraphed falling in love got me grinning wide all the way.

I'm surprised people call this ending ambiguous. It seems that Asami was kidnapped and murdered, simple as that. That the guy was found and she wasn't, never appeared again, and the "ghost" vision at the end make it extremely clear (in fact you couldn't make it any clearer without being explicit about it).

Between that and the last volume being spent on pointless search and giving up, with pretty much no character development or plot thread to follow, I'm convinced that the author got pissed at this manga being axed and decided to punish the readers with an awful ending.

Yeah... gonna go with tsundere there. Talking about a girl who shares room, bath and bed with someone who's very, very obviously in love with her and not hiding it, so "she's actually not interested" isn't exactly what strikes me as the best interpretation.

Of course, the fact that they're both over-the-top in their respective category is part of the humor, which not everyone will like.

Also, I guess I might relate a bit too much to the girl who likes romance in 2D but is disillusioned about things being as nice in 3D, and so pretends not to be interested.

It's funny to see the reactions to this story and to compare it to others in similar scenarios. Typically, when you have a character who's like "I can't choose" and the one going after her says "I don't mind if I date only you while you date multiple people", the reaction gears towards yay, harem.

But when the one going after actually doesn't want to be treated as one out of many, the reaction is the one she loves is a player, it's awful, she should go after someone better. The contrast between the two, and pushing "guilt" on the target of affection even though she is behaving in the same way in both examples, is strange. (I guess it helps that in the first scenario the protagonist is the target, in the second the protagonist is the one who fell in love).

Either way, I rather like this story. In addition to the bait-and-switch at the start, this is actually a pretty interesting take on two people with different views on love. They naturally wouldn't have a good chemistry, but are interested enough in each other to consider their options despite those being away from their comfort zone.

That was a surprisingly good chapter. Marika's reaction was very understandable, after what Aya has said she had every right to be angry at someone appearing to her door and claiming to be her sex friend, while after what Aya has done there was no particular reason to doubt Asta.

Aya had to be particularly convincing to defend herself, but after talking with Karen she managed to say it right, and Marika accepted her explanation. And they clearly made a lot of progress. I actually didn't expect for Aya to have been hiding so much.

Threesome and foursome jokes aside, for someone like Marika, being dragged into that kind of discussion unexpectedly will naturally make her feel like she was toyed with, so I'm glad it was treated seriously and cleared up as a misunderstanding caused by Asta and Karen, and not brushed out of the way with a sex resolution.

Pretty sure it's been already pointed out a few times before that arranged marriage is not the same as forced marriage.

It has also been pointed out that this argument is unconvincing, considering that the queen didn't have a choice to say no. Or is anyone arguing that she could have done that ? I haven't seen it.

The best difference you can make, if you are an optimist and think that she was not forced (which require some assumption about what would have happened if she refused), is to consider that she was raised from birth to think she doesn't have a right to choose. Moving from rape territory to grooming territory isn't such a victory for that side of the argument - and either way, the phrasing "forced marriage" holds, since there is still no choice.

Arranged marriage, for its modern definition, in most parts of the modern world, does give the right to the people being married to refuse the partner chosen by their parents, as freedom to choose who (and whether) you marry is protected by law. Whether that actually holds in practice and whether such a choice is free when the people involved might be under pressure from their family isn't totally convincing, but there are many cases where people actually do refuse arranged marriages until they find the right partner.

Note that the king is also a victim here. Both of them were forced to share the bed of someone without being given a choice. Which is why I preferred to describe them as victim of forced marriage, so that none of them is pointed at as a "guilty party".

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I initially wanted to add this to my previous comment, but I wasn't fast enough, and it feels dishonest to edit it in after the comment received a reply. So here's an addendum to what I was saying above.

Being forced to break up with your lover to become the spouse and mate of some stranger without being given a chance to say no is a tragedy, and should be treated as such by both the author and the audience.

This is both out of tact, and moral considerations : certain practices are now practically extinct and looked down upon or even forbidden (or at least theoretically are, as Red K.'s example pointed out). This is because, humanity having achieved a higher level of social and moral maturity, we now regard those practices as unethical and immoral. Those lessons are not something that should be forgotten or ignored, as they were before : a depiction of something that modern humans consider bad, should include the elements which have made us consider it bad in the first place.

And so what is the purpose of going through such intellectual contortions?

A bit of all of what you said. But how I would phrase it myself is : the purpose of criticizing such plot development is to point out that positive portrayal of forced marriage, acceptance thereof, depicting the optimistic possible consequences of it while ignoring the pessimistic ones, and more generally spreading or defending such practices through the lens of characters being happy after having those forced on them is morally wrong, for both the writer and readers.

Being forced to break up with your lover to become the spouse and mate of some stranger without being given a chance to say no is a tragedy, and should be treated as such by both the author and the audience.

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I mentioned my profile picture before, but seriously read Urara Meirochou, there is no better manga to portray the breaking of fate away from a tragic ending that the previous generation suffered, better than this one.

It depends on how the "tragic ending" is depicted. If it's something the characters struggled against, opposed, but failed to defeat - then that's interesting. However, if it's a tragic ending the characters accepted, tacitly approved, and the story goes on to show that they're still happy despite the tragedy and not trying to break free from it - then I'm not interested in that kind of story. What matters isn't that tragedy happens or doesn't happen, it's how the characters react to it, whether they are showed to oppose or accept it.

I guess Yuuki Yuuna wa Yuusha de Aru would be a pretty good example. The show has tragedy upon tragedy, often enough with permanent consequences, but the characters keep fighting against them, even when it means opposing the status quo and taking risks by shaking things.

I've only watched the anime, so I don't actually know which one the Urara Meirochou manga follows. I wouldn't read the manga without confirming that first, though, as I'd rather keep my happy memories of the story that was adapted in the anime.

Edit Maybe a more concise way to say it is : if a tragedy doesn't have negative consequences, all the characters accept it without a fight, and ends with everyone being happy, then is it really (depicted as) a tragedy ?

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"Sorry, I am looking for someone else. I won't go out with you."
"Okay, what about just one date ?"

Why... is this always like this ? It's like manga is incapable of doing a proper rejection.

I'm happy that Asumi was very clear with Nanao when she said she's looking for Mai. If Nanao gets a bittersweet memory from this, that's on her for making such a request and not accepting the rejection. While I'd rather have had Asumi refuse, it makes sense for her to accept, as she probably sees it as a one-time thing like all of her brothel bookings.

I hope this arc will soon be over. The whole plot with Nanao falling in love with Asumi has been pretty annoying and obviously meant to artificially prolong the story, but I'd rather we go back to the search for Mai.