"Do it with 4" so I assume that is you + 4 other.

Galich posted:

Well, I am guilty as a sin when it comes to our terminology. I abuse the terms znajomy/znajoma way too much, using them even when reffering to my best of words.

I do it too. I guess it is because "znajomi" is much more casual and sounds less serious, so our subconscious or something prefer to use it. Or maybe word "przyjaciele" feels too embarrassing. I'm honestly not sure what the reason is.

We do have plenty of LGBT themed clubs tho., yet to visit any one of them tho.

I never saw one. Then again I never really looked for any.

Lots of makaronizmy :P

haha xD

I was going to suggest exchanging info using dynasty irc chat ;P

oliver posted:

Friend > Acquaintance > Stranger, right?

From the way I see it used in english, our acquaintance is closer in meaning to friend, and our friend means more like "true friend". Like, usually when you use word friend in english, we would use word acquaintance instead. Basically when we say "friend" it means more compare to its english counterpart. Acquaintance would be more like classmate or co-worked. It might be just me, but that was the impression I got reading stuff in english.

Though you lost this, "you can have good time from time to time with that friend of yours" totally.

I would anyway, because I was going through tough period in my life and none of them had enough patience to deal with it and I wasn't able to just forgot about it and focus only on having fun. I wasn't able to give them what they wanted from me (pure fun) and they weren't able to give me what I wanted from them (emotional support) so in the end it all went down crashing. I get your point though, but even ignoring this specific circumstances, I don't agree with you completely.

Galich posted:

Also, the Polish word you were reffering to is kolega/koleżanka, right?

I actually was thinking of:
znajomy/znajoma=friend
przyjaciel/przyjaciółka=close friend

Since when you talk about people you know, but are not necessary close with you use "znajomi", like from school etc. but when you talk about people you regularly hang out or keep contact with you would rather say "przyjaciele". I totally forgot about word koledzy to be honest, but all it would do is only add next layer to it as it is lower than przyjaciele and only make the gap between english friend and our friend even more apparent. But in my case specifically we were acquaintance. Not even koleżanki.

You edited your post as I was going to respond xD. Got too shy asking where I live ;P? Well I do live north-est and west-est you can get, but I wouldn't really call it a city of progress cos nothing ever happens hear and even though we are one of the biggest city it seems like rest of country actively try to ignore us xD. Seriously from what I remember even during world cup we were the only major city that didn't get brand new highway to connect us with cites where matches were supposed to take places. Anyway, I wouldn't say my worldview is the effect of me living at the northwest because as far as I can tell it doesn't really differ that much, as in, it seem people are just uneducated and ignorant of lgbt issues here as everywhere else. If they are it seem more depended on person. Then again I barely have experience from visiting other cities and in general never had too much contact with people and since several years I'm pretty much completely cut from news etc. so I don't know how our current politic looks about those issue. I just was always acceptant of those kind of stuff and didn't make too big deal of it.

But I'm getting too sentimental here, so I'll just say this: I feel fuzzy when I read the word "sis" in your posts :)

Just don't start crying młoda ;P

Galich posted:

Anyway, thank you very much for all of the tips and the tolerance shown! It really does mean a world to me.

You are welcome ♥

Speaking of contact maybe you are interested in talking from time to time on skype or something?

oliver posted:

There are many people out there who are able to agree with you on an advanced level, but who are you to them? A stranger. They are not your friends, neither would they ever treat you like an acquaintance. They would never want to have fun time with you, nor care about that deeper connection (?) Nevri mentioned. There is no point in keeping your standard too high to be reached by your surrounding people/friends. You want people to accept who you are, you have to be capable of accepting who they are too.

Ok, I'm not sure you got what I meant. Sure, you won't always agree with your friends on some high concepts you could talking to some total strangers on internet. It doesn't make one connection stronger than other. But if you can't even agree on basic concepts that are important for both parties, can you really call it a friendship? If there is stuff that hurts one or both sides and they have to tolerate it I can't really see it lasting. That was the point of example I was making. The language barrier make it a bit harder to explain since in polish "friend" and "acquaintance" has a bit different meaning, but basically I had people who I considered friends and wanted to be closer with, share good and bad etc. but they only saw me as acquaintance, some you can have good time from time to time, but nothing more. They only wanted to share good and didn't want to hear any bad. So no, they didn't care about that deeper connection. Only I did and that is why we parted ways. Because ultimately our basic expectations were different so this relationship couldn't last. I never said to have high standard. I said you should have some standard that you stick to and are not willing to lower simply so you can have any friends. As was mentioned before, I'm for quality over quantity. As you said the accepting thing is on both sides and sure as hell I don't see them trying to accept Galich, rather giving her ultimatum. I don't want make too much assumptions as I don't know their relations in-deep. Ultimately it is up to her what she will do about it. I'm just trying to help her make up her mind by sharing my thoughts and past experiences.

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Galich posted:

Actually, if you don't mind it, I'll save this part as a point of reference for some of more difficult talks.

Go ahead ;3 From what I saw browsing comments on internet that is the part most people have the biggest problem understanding. Also I'm glad my post was of any help ^ ^ All I can do is hope it will work out with your friends in the end, because I agree you shouldn't change your friends the moment you disagree about something. hugs Galich

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LumberingCrane posted:

I just checked tvtropes too and it listed the anime under the page of "cast full of gays" and said that every named character was a lesbian. There's that I guess for what it's worth.

The argument against it was that they only do it because of the virus but since every character we see clearly enjoys it to some degree it is safe to assume they were totally gay before being infected. Also some characters don't shy from doing it just for pleasure and as I mentioned there are at least few outright confirmed couples. Basically at the beginning people considered all characters straight and they only kiss (if only that was it) to use their power, but as you watch it further and further it become clear how gay (at least majority of) those characters are.

The show is totally yuri, but because it never tried to hid that it is aiming for male audience as well and isn't just all about fluff, a lot "yuri purist" shunned it saying it doesn't count and is just male porn trash.

It has some heavy fanserivce, but I can't really say it is pointless. For the most part it fits into setting where girls have to make out to use their powers. Also about male fanservice, sure it was made with male audience in mind, but w/e only guys can enjoy it or not is arguable. Also since I was prepare for what I'm going into I just didn't pay that much attention to it and it worked for me (the oversized boobs left and right was honestly what was distracting me more). And fanservice does goes down in the second half of the show to almost non-existence.

It is obviously yuri. Again to not alienated male audience (which complained there is no male character to self insert to and have harem with) it wasn't outright confirmed (actually screw it at least 2 couples were totally confirmed in show) but there are at least few genuine couples not because of the virus. Some even were couples before getting to the island. Actually as the series progress it is more and more clear that most likely all the girls are gay to some degree. So people saying that it isn't yuri are just in denial and/or are too used to het where they clearly say "I love you" at the end and kiss. It had serious moments, goofy moments and cringey moments, but for what it was worth, it was a good watch and I don't regret seeing it.

That is me opinion anyway.

Galich posted:

Our quarrels regarding this issue always boil down to refusing to use the right pronouns unless a surgery.

To some people having a dick or vagina is the ultimate proof what sex you are and unless you change that, they won't accept you are the opposite sex (and even then some assholes while still won't accept it), but I don't think everyone who use that logic are necessary bad people. I'm sure they are a lot people who simply are skeptical about your claimed gender and unless you prove you are serious (go through surgery), they prefer to play it safe. Especially in Poland where lgbt awareness isn't that big, I bet a lot people simple don't understand that being trans isn't wanting to be opposite gender but actually being opposite gender. You are female and that is why you feel uncomfortable in your body, because it doesn't match your mind. But they might not understand that it is not just playing pretend but something that can be diagnosed and proven. So now the question is, which kind of people are your friends. If they are truly understanding, then I'm sure if you educate them enough on subject they should change their perception of you. If no, then you are stuck with it until surgery and hope that after it they will truly accept you (if not, ditch them, they are seriously not worth you).

oliver posted:

I mean, in my country, there are men who crossdress as women. We all use female honorifics towards them without them asking us to do so since it's just a common sense.

Well there is difference between cross-dressing and being trans. I'm not really sure if treating them like women without asking is the right thing to do.

Galich posted:

On a side note, the more I read the replies from others in this thread, the more I start to think about reconsidering my friendship choices.

You should. I had friends that didn't even want to treat me than anything more than acquaintance. They only wanted to have fun time with me and didn't care about deeper connection. Our expectations were vastly different so there was no point in keeping that kind of relationship so we cut contacts. You shouldn't lower your standards just so you can have any friends. If there are thing that you aren't able to agree on fundamental level, it isn't going to last anyway.

Also by nature it derails conversation and if you don't stop them from posting crap like that, you can't stop other people from responding to it as well and they will.

LumberingCrane posted:

This chapter should be enough to shut down any concerns about the series not being gay as hell.

Wait, wait, wait. What? How can this series not be seen as gay?

Because they are not true lesbians. They just make out so male otaku audience can fap to it. It isn't yuri in any way.

LumberingCrane posted:

Sorry for hijacking (?) the thread a bit.

Don't worry about it. I enjoyed our talk ;3

LumberingCrane posted:

Are we supposed to even reconcile those 2 ways of thinking?

In this case I was talking specifically about myself, since I find both ways of thinking valid‚ but only follow one.

That makes me realize what might specifically be my problem is with the concept the game presents. It's kind of underplaying the fact that girls who specifically only like girls exist. I think I only realized it with this game so it became glaringly obvious when it happened here, but I think that a lot of japanese yuri works are kind of guilty of that too.

I don't mind when they just say "I like girls" cos to me it is more natural way to say it than "I'm a lesbian", but I agree a lot works had a tendency to brush it over and make it look like only time girl fails for girl is when it is "because it is you".

Rina posted:

^ Apparently they said its from pre screenings of the anime in Japan. Still, legit information or not, at least the yuri is very real, since the user seems to get triggered hard from any form of yuri shipping in anime.

That reminded me. It is so ironic when we get people like him crying "why it has to go yuri/yaoi/furry/whatever" when literally 99% of all media is focused on het audience and they are the ones to dare tell us to not shove yuri etc. in their face and keep it up to ourselves. Like I wish to find that Yuriwood that mass produce all sort of lesbian movies that we supposedly have enough already that we don't have to invade their media as well.

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LumberingCrane posted:

You said it way better than I could. That's actually what I was worried about when I was listing this part as a complaint of mine. I know it's supposed to be a good thing that gender doesn't matter, but it still somehow made me feel uneasy in this specific case.

I'm really split about it. Loving someone for who they are, not what they are (as in this case, for their gender) is kind of love I can get behind and think it is just as genuine as any other (and honestly you should love someone because of who they are), but then from experience I know I love girls, because they are girls and I'm not attracted to guys because they are guys. So while I don't think either approach is fundamentally wrong, they are both mutually exclusive by nature and I'm not sure how to reconcile those 2 ways of thinking.

Thanks. While I personally don't mind "because it is you" thing, I can get how understating the gender importance can hurt more than help. In theory messages like, "there is no difference between het and yuri" could be a good thing, showing that yuri is just as normal and natural as het, but then I can't help but think that it will only make people say "in that case just make it het".

The only thing I can think of is this, but since I didn't read it I can't say for sure.

Rina posted:

Alvis posted:

Kill me.

Kill her. You are welcome.

Oh come now, that's way too harsh :/

Well isn't the more efficient solution, to get rid of source of your problems rather than killing yourself? I thought it was helpful ;P

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LumberingCrane posted:

I'd like to give more specific reasons but what I said above is as spoiler free as I think I could go.

Can you give spoiler version?

Shinii posted:

"I'm actually thirty."

best plot twist

Already overdone though.

Alvis posted:

Kill me.

Kill her. You are welcome.

Nah np. Can happen when you add multiple pictures at once.

It was good movie. I really enjoyed it. It having a potential yuri incest was a nice bonus. Recently I remembered that I translate this strip long ago, when I was checking images of Frozen and found it cute. So I decided to (make none) typeset it and upload.

megmica posted:

is the heroine blind from born or not?
backstory why she blind?

She couldn't see since she was 5, because of a illness.

drpepperfan posted:

Went ahead and made the Amnesia tag, it seems like something that can be used occasionally, despite the limited number of works with it at the minute.

My Hand Holding tag was rejected though.

Sorry, it's a fun idea, but it certainly seems like a tag idea that could be easily abused and requested. I mean, where would the line be drawn with it?

I thought if any work was worth getting this tag, it would be this one. It was supposed to be a silly joke, since they hold hands for 2/3 duration of the story. Honestly, adding this tag there at this point won't really have the same impact, so I'm just being a bit salty.

Michan posted:

Michan posted:

Joke tags are essential to ensure the site functions properly.

My Hand Holding tag was rejected though.

Hand holding is not to be joked with. it's srs bsns.

Exactly. That is why I wanted to warn them in case someone wouldn't be able to handle such excessive amount of hand holding. After all, it isn't just 1-2 pages, but 12!

Sadly this ship is dead.