From what I can tell from next chapter without trying to read it much, it seems like Nikaidou is the one who will do the angsting now

Tiger posted:

I'm interested in if being in Galette lets it take a different path than what these kinds of stories normally take. I hope so. The art style is so cute it'd make for a great cute story.

I have no proof on it, but I do believe artists in Galette have much more freedom in terms of story since it is crowd funded so there is no looming publisher over them demanding certain changes etc. in order to make stories as appealing as possible and earn them lots of money. In the first place its main audience is yuri fans and focus on actual yuri, which majority of publishers consider not good enough to sale anything.

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Seira posted:

BUT on a separate note, I do agree that he probably has some degree of awareness of Uta's feelings, even if it's very little.

I'm pretty sure here he was about to ask her about it, but changed his mind after all, probably thinking it is impossible. I think if he had wanted to ask about something else, it would be played as implying he wants to ask about it and then ask about something totally different. The fact he actually didn't ask about anything suggest more that he wanted to ask about Uta feelings for Kaoru. There is of course possibility he wanted to ask about something else and it will come up later, but I'm really doubting it.

Chiibii00 posted:

Pretty sure it is this

Cheers but it's not it. Pretty close tho. The one that's getting married has a black hair and probably is an office lady. She and her fiance/boyfriend (sorry couldn't remember) were talking in a park and that's when he suggested to meet his parents.

Yea, it sounded pretty similar so it was first thing that came to mind, but it wasn't perfect match. Thought maybe you were just misremembering some parts.

Pretty sure it is this

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Serenata posted:

Gudetamago posted:

KanadeChan posted:

So~ in the end...
- Kotooka x Washio [GL]
- Subaru x Asakura [BL]
- Tsukasa x ????(Man) [Het]
Well, this ending is not what i want but if Tsukasa is HAPPY (with that man TT) it's OK for me.

No woman can be happy with a man.

That's what yuri taught me.

It's truth cuz the yuri gods can't lie to us.

Men are just a phase until the right woman shows up.

11/10

karp posted:

But I am skeezed out by the way that being gay and getting statutory raped by a teacher are compared as just two ways to not be normal.

I'm pretty sure nobody said or implied it, but I don't have time and energy left to argue about it.

A child's feelings on the matter do not give them some extra-judicial right to consent to sex. They're still a child regardless of backwards places deciding that it's perfectly fine to allow adults to take advantage of children.

My point was, I really doubt teacher was taking advantage of her and she was most likely the one to initiate things. Still further clarification from manga needed.

The parts of the brain that are relevant to decision making don't reach actual maturity until around age 25, so 16 is not borderline adulthood and thus open for whatever adult feels like creeping on children. I don't know what nostalgia or image you have of sixteen year olds, but they do not have the world figured out and are thus capable of engaging in complex and potentially abusive relationships with adults.

In my country you are a legal adult and can do w/e you want when you are 18 so yes, 16 for me is borderline a adult. Also again, I said I'm assuming it was mutual and there was no "whatever adults feels like creeping on children".

I'm not ok with putting all the blame on teacher, when she clearly wanted to fuck teacher. If we will learn later the situation was more dubious then I'll take my words back, but for now I don't see a good reason to remove all responsibility from her actions.

Reejun posted:

so she was involved with a teacher and the STUDENT gets a year suspension? like in what universe is statutory rape something punish the victim for, especially with an entire year suspension. i'm sure the teacher got off worse but why would you even bother punishing the student?

It was 休学 rather than 停学 so it's more likely an absence for her benefit, not a suspension to punish her.

That depends. Japanese likes to avoid scandals and things that can bring shame to their school, so it is possible in order to avoid commotion and hid it, they forced her to take a temporary leave until things will calm down in school.

Nya-chan posted:

Nevri posted:

This is gold.

What? Didn't you say that you disliked angst and so disliked this?

I have a very sharp memory... :P

I don't mind some angst and drama as long as I'm in mood for it, I know what I'm getting into and it is well-written. When drama is sudden and I'm unsure where it will go, I don't like my feels being tortured like that, especially when it will turn out not worth it (cough Netsuzou Trap cough). So in this case the premise is clear so I'm already prepared for the worse case scenario, so whatever happens, it can't be worse (probably). I really like characters in it and reading about such hopeless situation from the very beginning is pretty interesting.

Lifecharacter posted:

gamagoori posted:

so she was involved with a teacher and the STUDENT gets a year suspension? like in what universe is statutory rape something punish the victim for, especially with an entire year suspension. i'm sure the teacher got off worse but why would you even bother punishing the student

Where it says she was the victim? From the way she speaks about it it gives impression she was the one to flirt and seduce teacher. Also calling it statutory rape when most likely both sides, especially underage one, was ok with it and possibly the one that initiated it, sounds really off to me.

Unless she forced herself on the teacher, she is the victim. And, unless the teacher was within a certain age range (unlikely), having sex with a child is inherently sexual assault because a child cannot give consent. And no, "being seduced" is not a defense; if you're an adult you're supposed to be capable of withstanding the seduction of children.

She said she might have feelings for her but hold back because she didn't think it would work. Also idea that 16 years old (or how old they are) can't give a consent is just retarded. You can make as much rules about it in law as you want, but 16 years old date, have sex and in general are closer to be adults than being a child. We don't know all details, so we don't know how exactly it went, but from what she says it seems like interest was mutual. She is know to be flirting with people left and right and likes to experiment. So to me it seems like she felt something for teacher, wanted to check if it is, they did it and she liked it, but for some reason ultimately didn't go for it or maybe because she didn't say she liked her but instead said it was just a 1 time or something, teacher didn't take her seriously after it. Or they got catch during/after that first time. And teachers are people too. She might actually have some interest in her as well. She definitely didn't act professional as a teacher, but I have no issue with adults as long as there is consent on both sides and younger one is 16 or so, which is when you are old enough to know wtf you are doing. As long as she wasn't forced to it and was fully aware of what she was doing, I can't see her as being a victim, just because she wasn't legally a adult yet hence she can avoid responsibility for all her actions. We don't talk here about 10 years old or younger who has no idea what is happening. Not to mention the legal age for marriage and sex for women in Japan in some places is as low as 16 years old.
EDIT/ Forgot to add. Also I don't feel like it was against her will, because she was suspended, so it feels like she admitted that she was doing it of her own free will, hence she got punished as well. Maybe she even took punishment in order to lower the punishment for teacher.

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gamagoori posted:

so she was involved with a teacher and the STUDENT gets a year suspension? like in what universe is statutory rape something punish the victim for, especially with an entire year suspension. i'm sure the teacher got off worse but why would you even bother punishing the student

Where it says she was the victim? From the way she speaks about it it gives impression she was the one to flirt and seduce teacher. Also calling it statutory rape when most likely both sides, especially underage one, was ok with it and possibly the one that initiated it, sounds really off to me.

edit: also, to slam in my own two cents, i hope she ends up with the small cute friend. it's a big stretch but they just look so cute together and i honestly don't want kaoru to leave the older brother. like i feel like that marriage can really work. and i want that girl who's one year older than uta to be a recurring character. i relate a lot to her

It feels pretty certain that Kaoru has no feelings toward Uta and won't develop any. So far she treats her as close family she wants to be close with, but definitely not as potential love interest.

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This is gold.

Alextasha posted:

Alextasha bring Lily Love to Poland. I would buy all volumes.

Waneko is following 3M Tumblr but it was at the time when Wataken was there :/

Dango is not interested in it (they said that in FB comments) even if they know and like the story.

Maybe publishers will be more eager for Pulse when we will re-edit it in A5 size. We will see :/

Studio JG should be more interested in publishing yuri. I'd even buy it to support yuri despite not liking where story went. I'll buy any yuri that comes out here.

MacySan posted:

The thing is, those were not a serious confirmed Yuri series.

That is the issue. They are never confirmed so they can still be straight and waifus material. Adapting actual yuri where girls are canonically lesbians and won't suck your off is the most dangerous move a publisher can make. That is the reason some animes that are clearly yuri are still not confirmed as one because they are afraid they will lose interest/sales once they will go that 1 more step. So w/e I think about quality of those works, they are still a big thing because they are at least marketed fully as a yuri show. Let's be honest, unless it is explicitly said/confirmed, nobody takes those subtext series seriously and as a canonically yuri show but just subtle. Hell some people here don't take them seriously and bash at them at every occasion (cough Maid Dragon cough).

On the other hand, when things start getting real, people complain. Be it for the presence of males, or for the character of the girls not being the purest and perfect souls.

I agree and I said it before. I sometimes feel like yuri fans don't actually want yuri unless it is exactly made the way they want it to be made and appeal to them in the manner they like the best.

And I seriously doubt how much of an appeal the male characters in this particular situation are able to have to attract a bigger audience. Their roles are not the type of male characters that appeal to the female otakus. It would make more sense that Fujiwara and Takeda would attract male audience with a "gay girl being with a guy" fetish instead.

That is exactly what I just said.

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That is the issue with yuri. It is such a niche that if it is not marketable to other people than just yuri fans, it won't ever work out. Trap has the advantage of having male characters otaku can self-insert into and thanks to this experience having those girls as waifus/girlfriends or in place of Fujiwara, being the third part to threesome with lesbians, so I think that is the reason. Also if shoujo mangas taught me anything, jps love their soap opera, melodrama trash.

That being said we also got Citrus adapted which is a totally pure yuri story without any cheating, ntr etc. While I consider quality of Citrus to be terrible, it is a hugely popular manga in jp (from what I remember I last heard about it) and since it also heavy relies on typical shoujo drama cliches, I can understand why. So even if Trap is getting adapted we do have some counter weight to it with something more pure. I could give tones of other examples what I'd prefer they had adapted instead of those 2 mangas, but it clearly seems they didn't because they considered they just wouldn't work. Whatever right or wrong, we will never know.

Minutoh posted:

Also, is there any reason why Tsucchi calls Maki Makki?

It is pronounced differently. Without even reading manga and from top of my head, the best guess is that she wanted to call her maki-chi (a cutesy honorific) which in order to shorten would turn into makki (like natsu-chan > nacchan). I might be wrong though.

Implication Tsukasa didn't confess because of "friendzone" was so cringey, I couldn't handle it. Way to completely ruin your manga even when you went for non ending.

Because everything is now about having representations and shoehorning gays and lesbians everywhere. So obviously Samurai Jack should have gay and lesbian character now. They don't care that Jack was never meant to be gay or it doesn't fit with what was presented. They want stuff to always be their way.

VivianGames posted:

its funny seeing anti-feminists talk about feminism being anti-man cuz i'd say the closest it ever comes to that is when TERFs were at their peak and used anti-male rhetoric to justify depriving trans women of basic human rights. i mean compared to a few decades ago i'd say modern feminists are a lot gentler towards men.

anyway i was gonna write up a whole thing but instead i'll just say if you are going to complain about feminists generalizing about men based on anecdotal data then you don't fucking get to generalize about feminism based on your own.

(of course at least feminists often have actual data we can point to regarding many of the issues we face)

Good thing none of you are able to show me any of those data and prefer to just tell me how wrong I am. I asked for just 1 example of feminists doing good for the world and you can't even give me that. If those extreme feminists are so rare or non existent, the why I only hear about them and nothing about those real feminists that really work to better the world? Also about only feminists providing data, that is so not true. Most of the time feminists give no data or the data they use is false/they misinterpret it on purpose. The best example is pay gap which they use for everything and which is actually wrong. Or this thread where I'm asking to show me facts and neither of you did it.

Also good to get labeled again based just on assumptions. Why I even bother making a long post explaining my position for you to just take quick look at it and assume I'm anti-feminist when I explicitly said I'm not against idea, but how it is used right now and I don't see anyone using it right. Also good to know you magically know I'm using anecdotal data when I didn't even link any. As always feminists are right and anyone who disagree with them is wrong. Also good to know you don't use internet if you say nowadays feminist aren't anti-men at all.

I wanted actual discussion and some answer, but I see as always only thing I got is dismissal and ridicule. You just proved to me all feminists are the same. No I will know for sure feminism is cancer and I should avoid it.

Meursault posted:

I agree with you, but the problem is majority of those feminist don't bother specifying which feminist ideology they talk about. They just say feminism, because there is only 1 definition of feminism. Equality for women.

But you do know that feminism is (mainly?) about equality.
What you're supposedly describing isn't feminism. It's like when someone completely twists around a concept. The problem isn't the concept, but the people doing bullshit in its name. I don't get why you'd put down feminism as a whole because of that.

That is true. I know the original idea of feminism raised in times where there was a huge inequality between men and women and thanks to hard work of those feminist it changed for better and women are basically on equal footing right now with men (at least in America). The issue is there is a lot people calling themselves feminist and doing stuff in name of feminism but what they are preaching is exactly what I said. Whenever you call them on it they will tell you back that feminism is about equal rights for women and if you are against it then you are a anit-feminist or w/e and hate women, but they will ignore the fact they are not doing it for equal rights anymore. They act as if nothing in those decades changed and women are as oppressed as they were so they have to fight for women's equality, but instead of focusing on stuff that is still bad, they focus on stuff that is no longer a issue. So while original idea was about equal rights, nowadays a lot people also adapt that train of thoughts as a part of being a feminist hence the meaning of feminist changed and you can't say it is mainly about equality since that is no longer the cause. So it is not me putting down feminism, but rather people who call themselves feminist activist are preaching that is what feminism is and I'm disagreeing with it. And since I never saw any feminist who actually tried to change something that actually needs changing (most of the time those people don't call themselves feminists) to me whenever you talk about feminism, that is what feminism is like. It's fault of those people associating themselves with feminism to give it such negative image.

You seem to disagree with what feminism shouldn't be used as an excuse to justify, but have cultivated this weird prejudiced bias against it to entirely invalidate and mock feminism as a whole

As I said before, nobody ever specify what feminism they talk about, you guys as well. So whenever they talk about it and you mention it, I have the same image in my head. Sure I won't attack people just because they said they are feminist or something, but because of stuff I already heard, I'm not really optimistic about talking to them and usually what they say is exactly the same things and ideas I heard so many times and disagreed with. And the biggest issue is that usually when the topic comes trying to talk it over is impossible. All I ever get is a stream of assumptions and never got any actual facts or responds to my questions. That is if the topic will even start at all, since whenever the topic of feminism comes up everyone immediately back up from conversation because "it will turn into argument". If feminism is so good why it's better to avoid talking about it? This way it is feminists that are living in the bubble and not want to challenge their ideas, not the other way around. I'm more than fine with discussion it and challenging myself, because my knowledge is limited, but I never get a chance to, because appearntly feminism is a dangerous topic.

, as if inequality between genders doesn't exist, it's all a myth people have made up in their heads, and those protesting and standing up for women are a bunch of greedy selfish liars. There's something very... "blind", in denial and insulting about what you claim it to be.

That depends about what inequality we are talking about. Because every time those feminist brings them up they talk about stuff that is already fixed or never was a issue to begin with. Again I'm talking only about America and I know very well not every country in entire world has equal rights for both genders, but the way those feminist acts is as if nothing was equal in America and everything needs fixing and they keep on focusing on things that are fine already. Show me example of inequality in America that is still a issue then sure, I'll agree, but so far I was only show stuff that was already fixed or wasn't true in the first place, but somehow those feminist still see it as problem that needs to be fixed. They really give a impression feminism is all about entitlement. There is no more serious issues in America, but we are feminist and we need to complain about something, so let's make up a bunch of shit and if we get more rights then cool. How many feminist tries to help other countries, like Muslim countries where actual patriarchy exist, not a made up one? It is also worth mentioning that by definition feminism was created to fight for equal rights for women, so it isn't really about equality, cos feminism don't care about men's issues, as long as women's rights are equal. Sure I bet some feminist do care, but if so why men domestic abuses, rapes etc. are ridiculed by them and there is no save shelters and help centers for men? That is a existing issues, but somehow feminists doesn't help with that. So again, give me some examples then we can talk, because for now the only blind people I see are those feminists you protect, because they happily ignore those issues since they are not theirs.

If you can show me someone labeled as feminist who actually does something important, then I have no problem changing my perception of feminism, but as I said, so far the only examples I ever heard of are those really negative ones so that is my only idea about feminist activists.

Meursault posted:

Side note, why is it that feminism's credibility is always so heavily attacked? When someone speaks up, or tries to speak up, so many people rush to silent them, making fun of them, acting as if they're delusional or somehow claiming threatening shit. Why is advocating for equality made to be synonymous to unfounded hysteria?

Most examples of it I'm aware of doesn't actually try to advocate equality, but women superiority or attacks things that are already fixed or were never a issue or are not the problem. I'm sure nobody (well, majority of people at least) is against equality and if a feminist talked about a real issue people would be agreeing with it, at least I would, but most of the time they are not. Again it is issue of you need to give me a example, because all I heard of were justified in people shooting them down.

A5PECT posted:

When your interests are vested in the status quo, you don't like it when people rock the boat.

You accuse them of trying to sink the ship, when all they're doing is trying to do is steer it in the right direction.

I really hope we are talking about 2 different things, because alternative is terrifying.

SF posted:

Nowadays Feminism isn't even about equality of both genders anymore. It's about favoring woman because of this Privilege bullshit. Now, If you're born with certain gene's you have no right to criticize women but they have the right to criticize you. Feminism need to go back to "This is about rights rights for both men & woman" instead of "This is only about woman & all men are misogynistic and I know that for a fact because one guy was an asshole to me". It's so god-damn preposterous. Feminism isn't being attacked, It's being criticized.

I just said the same thing and I was laughed at by 3 feminists that it isn't the truth and stuff like that doesn't exist, so good luck.

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Nezchan posted:

All right now, this is all fun but cool it on the insults please.

Yea, because making fun of me is fine since you are mod. And you insulted users before and somehow that was fine. You can't engage in honest discussion and you always run away when you can't win so I'm just stating the truth. You can't deal with facts so you prefer to ignore them. If you call being dishonest and ignorant insults, then it just proves my point.

Nezchan posted:

That's seriously the most /r/TheRedPill thing I've seen all day. Thanks for the laugh.

Thanks to know you are just as dishonest and ignorant as always.

Nezchan posted:

LOL, I was right!

Except they are real and not made up, unless you don't use internet.

A5PECT posted:

At this point both sides just assume we talk about the same thing aka the feminism ideology that is the most common right now.

Which would be...

Only feminism I ever heard about is everything is sexist and misogynist. Men are lower being and should have no rights and all the power in the world should be given to women. Men are scum and assholes by default and they should do everything every women tells them. They should get ride of their toxic masculinity because it is oppressive to women. And women are oppressed in every single aspect of their life by male patriarchy that day and night work to make life of every women on earth into hell and we need to fight it. Not to mention habit of making up facts or twisting stuff in order to fit their agenda, like saying that women get paid less on average than men which is not true. Also of course ignoring or dismissing any problems or inequalities men have because they are privilege sex. So basically equality for women, means to them more rights even if the stuff is already equal between sexes and they have no problem demanding more and making it unequal for men, because they are women so they deserve it and men had their fun already. At least all of it apply to feminist activist in America that focus on America, because those are the ones I only heard about, probably since they seems to be the loudest.

VivianGames posted:

"Is ___ feminist?" doesn't really mean anything for a lot of reasons. There's a lot of different feminist ideologies. So you first have to answer what style of feminism you mean.

I agree with you, but the problem is majority of those feminist don't bother specifying which feminist ideology they talk about. They just say feminism, because there is only 1 definition of feminism. Equality for women. So no wonder nobody ever specify which feminism they talk about since people spreading this ideology usually don't bother to do it themselves. At this point both sides just assume we talk about the same thing aka the feminism ideology that is the most common right now.