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drpepperfan Feb 22, 2017 11:05PM

The artist commentary: "Species difference.
As she grows older it will become painful."

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kyono Feb 22, 2017 11:05PM

aaaaaa I forgot about that age gap

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KYOUSAYA4LIFE Feb 22, 2017 11:25PM

I'm gonna cry if she dies!!!

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Norainhere Feb 23, 2017 12:07AM

I've forgotten, but can Kanna transform into an older version of herself? It won't stop her from eventually outliving Saikawa, but it would at least make their relationship less awkward as an age gap.

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Homura E.N.D Feb 23, 2017 12:17AM

^I think Tohru said that they can choose their transform also how they can look. But I'm not sure.

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themusicman500 Feb 23, 2017 12:28AM

It was said that their human forms are symbolically equivalent to their dragon forms. I suppose as long as Kanna is a little girl dragon, she will appear as a little girl human.

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Blank Mage Feb 23, 2017 2:02AM

But will Kanna still act like a little girl? Regardless of her ability to alter her appearance, I wonder if she'd mentally mature at a reasonable rate.

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Blank Mage Feb 23, 2017 2:02AM

^That ended up being weirdly alliterative.

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sheska Feb 23, 2017 3:59AM

exactly. themusicman500 youre right.

it will take at least centuries to make kanna looks adult woman

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Chantelune Feb 23, 2017 4:04AM

I wonder is Kanna might find some way to either turn Saikawa into a dragon or at least make her live and age at a similar pace as hers (or maybe turn herself into a human, though that'd considerably reduce her life-span).

I mean, considering the whole magic, might still be some way.

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sheska Feb 23, 2017 4:27AM

if that's true, Tooru wouldn't be so freak out when she's thinking Kobayashi might die someday (it shows in manga, I forgot what chapter)
it means that dragon cant give their immortality to human.

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Phil Feb 23, 2017 4:38AM

Wait, this is Personal Color? Sounds just like the premise they'd make a doujin about.

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PsychoNeko Feb 23, 2017 4:43AM

The death of the human and survive of the dragon over the time is their fate, and the dragons are well aware of this. Nothing can stop this to happen, so they'll simply live each days to their fullest. That's why Kanna act something a little pushy with Saikawa.

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Polycell Feb 23, 2017 5:44AM

Wait, this is Personal Color?

I didn't recognize it at first, either. There's barely any nose there.

Sounds just like the premise they'd make a doujin about.

Wasn't one of their SakuRemi doujins about this same thing?

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elevown Feb 23, 2017 5:59AM

A dragon might not be able to make a human long lived - or maybe just Tooru dosn't know that kind of magic? It also might be possible for humans from her world to extend life - it is a fantasy world full of very powerful magic wielding humans after all.

But the dragons will still vastly outlive their human friends even if you extended their lives. But they could spend a very happy humans life worth of time together at least.

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elevown Feb 23, 2017 8:39AM

Technology progress is too slow though to make a big difference within a lifetime. Sure better med and care etc maybe Saikawa's generation will have 10 or 20 years extra - but that's about it. I read recently average lifespans are expected to be over 90 by 2030 - so It's not like she is suddenly gonna live to 1000.

Sure some out of nowhere anti aging tech may pop up but how likely is that? Beyond saying very unlikely who can say when there has been no such similar things and no reason to expect it soon.

And even if she lived to be 1000 or 10,000 the dragons will still vastly outlive her - so face the same thing later down the line.. Though I'm sure they'd rather 1000 years together than 100!

I think Tooru is millions of years old - even Kana might be and still be child by dragon terms.

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random Feb 23, 2017 4:37PM

"Millions" is probably rather stretching it, considering that would be substantially older than what is teknik'ly known as "Anatomically Modern Humans" (Homo Sapiens Sapiens is only a few hundred millenia IIRC)...

As Iruru has already demonstrated at least some dragons are certainly quite capable of messing with human bodies magically, but one would assume they can't fiddle with the kind of "deeper" stuff that lifespan extension or whatever would involve. Given what we know of their home plane (read: self-awarely cliché FRPG world) that kind of thing sounds like the bailiwick of the local divinities (who apparently aren't on good terms with the dragons in general), and is probably beyond most of them too.

On a more practical note I rather doubt Kanna would as such particularly care about their different growth rates. Given species differences in aesthetic sensibilities the dragons in general are unlikely to be very concerned with the physical appearance of humans - it's the inside that counts, if anything.

OTOH... in a mere decade Saikawa will be twenty-ish, a quantum leap in terms of mental growth and maturity, while Kanna will remain a juvenile - curious, playful and firmly living in the now. If anyone is going to start occasionally waxing melancholic about their different life-cycles it's likely going to be the former; unlike the adult dragons the latter in universal sub-adult fashion probably can't, and can't be bothered to, consider the long term...

On a more practical note, though, unless she starts adjusting her human form's apparent age she's going to make grown!Saikawa look like a damn pedo. :P

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elevown Feb 23, 2017 6:44PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Tooru is Millions of years old because in the manga Tooru says dragons can live for 'billions' of years- could outlive our very planet. Also - how long modern humans or mankind full-stop has existed has no baring on how old a dragon might be?

I also got the impression she is one of the stronger dragons on the chaos side in their war - so her being so strong, and also I'm thinking there's no particular likely-hood she is still in the first 0.0000001% of her lifespan or whatever - makes me guess she is a lot older than you might think.

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Mimiyaah Feb 23, 2017 7:24PM

Shietuu

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random Feb 23, 2017 7:30PM

At that point it's more likely she just made the number up in the usual fashion premodern cultures use to signify enormous magnitudes; complex life itself on Earth isn't even a billion years old, and even if it arose (much) earlier on their world - or the whole paradigm was different from the start, what with confirmed active divinities and all - it's unlikely any immortal bothered keeping track of years after the first millenia or two anyway. (People stop really paying attention to the matter after a few decades unless they have practical reasons to keep track of their exact age.)
Entirely plausible the dragons are outright biologically immortal, or as close as makes no difference, which would mesh well with their rivalry with the of the gods of their world - look no further than the assorted conflicts between different groups of supernatural immortals in various Earth myths for parallels.

However I don't think age is directly related to a dragon's "power level" (their world doesn't operate on D&D rules apparently) as evidenced in the confrontation between Tooru and her father, who going by his "Old Testament prophet" human form is a truly ancient being indeed - and pretty much admitted outright that if they actually fought he'd get his ass kicked.

IIRC it's been plainly mentioned Tooru's among the stronger dragons around, to the point that some of the others worry a bit about the implications to power balance if the conflict back home heats up (one gets the impression the tussle is at a low-intensity phase ATM). Ofc in the dodgeball chapter she mentioned in passing she's never "won" against Faf and Lucoa which makes you wonder how monstrously strong they are, and Elma can apparently more or less stalemate her in a serious duel...

As Kobayashi notes she knows some pretty dangerous beings.

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Salamandrake Feb 23, 2017 9:38PM

The comment section escalated rather quickly

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benja Feb 23, 2017 11:50PM

id be a awesome depresing as fuck doujin about this two

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Super High School Level Artist Feb 24, 2017 12:53AM

this picture reminded me that Kanna wont be there forever, that breaks my heart </3

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Artemis Feb 24, 2017 1:49AM

Wow... This turned into such a long discussion XD Dragon Physiology and Integration into Human Society 101, anyone?

Seriously though, it breaks my heart a bit to have to imagine what awaits Kanna and Saikawa (as well as Tohru and Kobayashi) down the road... This depressing undertone of a comedy series hurts more than an actually depressing anime. T^T I hope both pairs just treasure all the time they have together.

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elevown Feb 24, 2017 3:06AM

She actually said dragons can live longer than planets as apposed to a specific time period so it wasn't exaggerating a number but a statement. Like you said I guess they are immortal (from an age perspective) and on a similar power level to the gods of that world. I mean Lucoa WAS a godess.

I'm fairly sure even the manga won't really go into this stuff TOO much - will probably not really find out all about the war etc, and it will end with them all still living on earth. Given how short humans live by comparison, on a human timescale I bet the war moves VERY slowly - and it dosn't seem to be that sort of manga.

As for Tooru's power level - one thing to remember is she is still quite badly wounded. One of the things she was worried might make her return was fully recovering. They haven't really mentioned it in the anime bar her holding her side once or twice. I bet She would have dealt with Elma easier otherwise. Also in that fight she was hampered by being in a human city and trying not to get people killed while Elma didn't seem to care.

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random Feb 24, 2017 10:22AM

You're thinking of Iruru now. Elma and Tooru haven't yet fought "on screen" - was referring to the passingly mentioned earlier clash back home between the two that apparently sunk a few islands as collateral damage, actually...

Note that her offhanded claims about dragon lifespans need to be taken in the perspective that we haven't actually been told of a single one able to legitimately claim such nigh-incomprehensible antiquity, rendering the whole thing more of a grandiose boast (something Tooru certainly is prone to...). It's strongly hinted (and seems to be assumed in-universe) that they're functionally biologically immortal, certainly, but that's quite different from any of them yet having such a cosmic lifespan under their belt...
I mean, unless they actually immigrated from somewhere else it's physically impossible for even the most ancient of them to be older than their world. Barring paradigms wildly different from ours, ofc, which are entirely possible given that plane has active divinities and God knows what else; for all we know their planet might have been cyclically created and unmade multiple times in the past already... though at that point it could be asked to what degree their timeframes were even comparable to our linear one in the first place.

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random Feb 24, 2017 10:34AM

@ Artemis - eh, nothing more than what awaits any couple that stays together long enough. The only actual difference is that barring unnatural causes one party is certain to vastly outlive the other (which, when you think about it, also happens in mortal pairings with sufficient age differences...).

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MEGAMFIB Feb 24, 2017 7:10PM

Well, IMO, at least, they have more time to enjoy together than Kobayashi and Tooru

Even i can imagine Saikawa asking Kobayashi for "her daughter's" hand

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almighty Feb 24, 2017 10:15PM

^^^^^ Look at all that discussion. Big enough to fit a 3 page forum.

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almighty Feb 24, 2017 10:17PM

But yeah, I agree with everyone. It definitely gonna be even more depressing though when someone draws Saikawa on her death bed with Kanna holding her hand. Now thats an idea for y'all artists.

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yuikumari Feb 25, 2017 3:49PM

saikawa is so grown up here , her face jux says it all , that sad that she will pass away long before kanna will

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MEGAMFIB Feb 25, 2017 5:32PM

In a few decades more

Kanna: "Where's Saikawa-chan? D:"

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LittelWind Feb 25, 2017 6:06PM

Whats going on here o.o so much comment.. I think I must watch it soon! xD

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Sakura Cartelet Feb 25, 2017 6:12PM

Cute if somewhat of a depressing picture. I'm hoping for some half-dragon magic babies or maybe some way that they could stay together forever.

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themusicman500 Feb 26, 2017 5:27AM

The issue of the life span disparity is probably unavoidable. Kanna will live on after Saikawa's death. However I think it's plausible that Kanna's appearance would change along with Saikawa's, as she mentally matured in the human world.

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Sakura Cartelet Feb 26, 2017 10:38AM

That's of course assuming that a dragon's longevity is due to an inherent factor rather than magic or something external. What I mean by that it is possible that time flows at a different rate on the plane where dragons originate from and that coming to Earth may give them a normal lifespan like demons in Disgaea. If this is true, then the reverse might also be true as well which would allow both of them to stay together forever.

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Karsten69 Feb 26, 2017 1:50PM

Tohru even says that the world Kobayashi lives in is low in mana, so it's likely that the dragon's life span comes from that, and that without it, they will age as other humans.

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Sakura Cartelet Feb 26, 2017 3:32PM

Really!? I don't remember that scene. I guess I'll have to re-read it sometime in the future then.

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flips Feb 26, 2017 5:45PM

reminded me of this one
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2632035

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Zuneko Feb 26, 2017 9:59PM

Awww, I didn't need this dose of reality...

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almighty Mar 2, 2017 4:38PM

What I want to know is how they'll have sex when Kanna is so small.

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SF Mar 2, 2017 7:30PM

You're a hungry little fella aren't ya?

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DR2 Hajime Hinata Mar 8, 2017 2:02AM

ah, you guys made me realize something I did not want to realize with this adorably cute manga/anime

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MEGAMFIB Mar 8, 2017 9:09PM

Epispode 9 of the anime...

Saikawa's mother is much like this, just a bit older

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BakaChiki Mar 14, 2017 8:23PM

Awww...it's so cute yet so sad 0w0 0n0
IMMA guess it's been 20 years or less cuz that's what I am seeing on the clocks xD

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CookieHoi Jul 8, 2017 12:58AM

floof.

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Nekofanatic Jul 24, 2017 2:57PM

Quick! Make Kanna older too! Do it!!!! ;_;

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YayaSamuko Aug 16, 2017 3:06AM

Age gap? XD

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Lyca Oct 22, 2018 12:01AM

guys i know this is really old, but i just randomly found it again. arent dragons reptile-ish? maybe like reptiles, dragons reach 'maturity' fairly early on in their lifespans. and then their growth just kind of slows down to almost nothing. so it could be possible that dragons age at the same rate as humans until they reach this 'maturity' and then it just slows down so that they're pseudo-immortal

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Norainhere Oct 22, 2018 3:16AM

@Lyca I forgot if the manga describes the way dragons age or not. But I do like your theory, since it means that Kanna and Saikawa would be able to be together as adults for at least a little while until Saikawa dies of old age. So it would still end up with the same fate of Kanna outliving Saikawa, but at least there wouldn't be an awkward age gap. Is what I'm saying making sense?

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Lyca Oct 30, 2018 7:17PM

@Norainhere exactly. at least then Kanna would have the physical/mental age of an adult, and wouldn't be forever stuck as a child. Saikawa wouldn't be a pedo XD

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Maximus66 May 9, 2019 6:54PM

About "yokai - human" relationships in terms of eternal life https://i.imgur.com/jEH23LV.jpg

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Kawaii_Puffs Oct 23, 2019 8:13PM

Shouldn't kanna be older than saikawa bc like tohru she a dragon

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Beefaroni Feb 2, 2020 8:34AM

^When it comes to years, yes, Kanna is older than Saikawa. When it comes to mentality, idk, maybe a little older, but not much older

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SSincere Feb 10, 2020 2:32AM

There is a Touhou doujin that I can't immediately locate, that sort of spoke to this, and which I've always found both heartwarming and heartbreaking. Remilia (a vampire, sometimes portrayed as in love with her human maid) says, "Humans are beautiful. They can spend their whole lives with you."

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SSincere Mar 17, 2020 4:22AM

That book has similar themes, but not quite the one I remember. (Remi is telling this to Patchouli, for some reason -- I don't think it was overly shippy, either. Hrm. I'll have to dig further.)