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So...we are going to ignore the fact that Mamori...uh...got too exited at the mere sight of a naked woman?

Mamori's heterosexuality went down in flames today.

I mean, orgasm on sight and dat legwrap. Yeah, no hetero in Mamori at all.

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I finally remembered to make the cutest part in the opening into a GIF.

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Anime season 19 Nov 23:29
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But does all that happen in the manga? Cause it's already 10 volumes and not completely yuri, just get more gay with time but they can always argue it's just friendship, specially because the main serie is het harem, so either they're crossing the line and the anime will really be yuri, or like most animes adaptations they're just putting more fanservice and comedy.

I thought they were light novels. I'm voting comedy and queerbaiting.

esn
Anime season 19 Nov 22:43
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is there actual yuri happening in it? or is it like Yuru Yuri?

Well...

Maybe.

Probably more than maybe.

What is your new avatar from? I don't know it.

esn
Their Story discussion 19 Nov 01:04
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Called it. blush and run away technique.

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I think you could finally put it to rest. Please just keep it to yourself. Don't bother with the mob.

Why? If I see bullies, I just shut-up and go my way sheepishly? Nope, I'll just keep biting at their ankles. For great justice.

You have inspired me,

See? Ad-hominem. Easy way out.

I'm not attacking. I'm goofing off and I think the thread is pretty derailed. "For great justice" gave me a giggle.

Also attempting to diffuse from the blatant targeting.

Usual excuse of bullies. "We're just having fun. Why so serious? She's such a killjoy."

I'm sorry that you misinterpreted me. Clearly the situation has gotten too tense. I only found your description humorous and I have no further investment in the argument.

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I think you could finally put it to rest. Please just keep it to yourself. Don't bother with the mob.

Why? If I see bullies, I just shut-up and go my way sheepishly? Nope, I'll just keep biting at their ankles. For great justice.

You have inspired me,

See? Ad-hominem. Easy way out.

I'm not attacking. I'm goofing off and I think the thread is pretty derailed. "For great justice" gave me a giggle.

Also attempting to diffuse from the blatant targeting.

Jesus christ. I was making a joke because you said something that struck me as funny. I'm not attacking you.

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I think you could finally put it to rest. Please just keep it to yourself. Don't bother with the mob.

Why? If I see bullies, I just shut-up and go my way sheepishly? Nope, I'll just keep biting at their ankles. For great justice.

You have inspired me,

esn
Anime season 18 Nov 00:34
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I'm sorry everyone, I was wrong. Hidan No Aria AA is going super double yuri. I thought the first episodes were stupid, but 7 has redeemed itself.

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Each part makes a sound huh? .... Then there's only one left that should have a very special sound The elbows of course

They'd make the ba-dum-tsch sound.

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Well said esn, but I'd argue some authors do not put a lot of thought into their works. Some authors literally make up stuff as they go and in the end not everything fits into world or characters. Some shounens fail into this hard, but I agree with your point that they do always put some thought to it and we should give them the benefit of the doubt in general. Just because they happened to not be good with coming up with story, setting or characters, that doesn't mean they didn't think about them at all.

I'm surprised it's coherent. I haven't had my coffee yet.

I think we all keep going roundabout with the Sung-pyo arguments. We'll know more in a chapter or two what he's really showing up for.

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I'm not sure Ssamba put that much thought in her story. People here sure are in deep.

The curtains were fucking blue.

But then, I've done the same for other stories, so...

Here comes my literature bias. My degree is in English Lit, I'm a writer as well of short stories non-fiction and fiction.

Most good authors do give a lot of consideration to the story. The actions of characters have to match their personality, they have to make sense in the context of the story. In writing you have to think about whether or not the plot occurs organically or there are things that need to happen in order to drive the characters. Taking a look at storyboards can show how much thought goes into comic panels, just as much as novels at times.

Even if the author isn't doing all of this on purpose if the argument still stands given evidence in the story it is considered true. I mean, that's the basics of analyzing literature. Unless you can back up in some way that the author didn't really mean for something to be a certain way or to give the reader a certain impression then you rely on the evidence given in the story.

It doesn't really matter what you think or what the author thinks, the story becomes an entity of its own. A smart author plans carefully and even if they let the story lead itself for a bit they have to put some thought into it. While it may be true that an author at times doesn't mean something in their work, we have to make the assumption that the author is being careful with their craft and that their writing is deliberate and not without reason. So while I'm sure there are some authors who don't really mean anything and just tell a mild story with a lack of craft, I think it's insulting to the author to assume that they didn't put any thought into their work. I'd be a little insulted if someone picked up a journal I was in and didn't give any consideration to the overall meaning of my story, the themes I may have considered, etc. A lot of time and effort goes into these things and I think it's only fair to give everything their due. If things come off as not fitting for the story or not making sense, I chalk it up to the author not being that great at their craft and having some room for improvement.

So in relevance to Fluttering Feelings, sure. The author may just be drawing a cute webcomic and their only intention is to tell a love story. But they have chosen to work on giving their characters depth, have spent a lot of time on a story that could have been just 5 chapters if they wanted. But they didn't. There are conscious choices behind the plot of FF, and I think it's pretty clear that they have a handle on who their characters really are and what actions make sense to them based on their past experiences. There was a decision made about what point to bring Sung-pyo in if at all, and I think there is enough evidence to back up the assertion that he is necessary to come in at this point in time to further Seol-a's and No-rae's relationship rather than hinder it.

I always get a little miffed when people suggest that an author hasn't put an incredible amount of thought into their story. It seems so dismissive.

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Anime season 17 Nov 08:17
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esn

I haven't seen anything about it on the forums, so I'm guessing most people missed Mikagura Gakuen?

We touched on this briefly in this thread

Very briefly I guess. I liked the show and it definitely suffered from a low budget and lack of attention. It could have been really good if it wasn't rushed and shoved into only 12 episodes.

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I've been reading a series called Sayrui-san no Imouto wa Tenshi (Sayuri-san's Little Sister is an Angel) by Itou Hachi, but there doesn't seem to be any translations of it.

It's got some pretty complex and serious relationships.

This looks good. I wonder why it's not in the works when we have so many things by that author? It seems that Yuri-ism would be on that one.

esn
Anime season 17 Nov 05:18
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It's an ongoing manga. From what I hear it stays ambiguously gay throughout

"Ambiguous" ... queerbaiting

I was watching Hidan no Aria AA but I just don't seem to be enjoying it.

I haven't seen anything about it on the forums, so I'm guessing most people missed Mikagura Gakuen? It came out in the spring I think. MC is totally lady crazy. Only 12 episodes though, but clear ships for sure. And not a female only universe. The manga is ongoing as far as I know. I wish it was being translated regularly. Also MC is super cute and I want fan art.

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I think people are mostly just frustrated because there was some serious progress towards a confession and then... new story-arc. Personally, I have been waiting for this arc. I always wondered what really happened between No-rae and her ex. To be honest I feel slightly frustrated sometimes myself, but that's is precisely why I love this story. Ssamba keeps us on the edge, wanting more and more. A true fan-base isn't built from instant fan gratification/ fast pacing... A good story will make you want to stay until the very end no matter how long it takes. FF is a good one.

I think someone else said this before, but it's completely possible that No-rae could have rejected Seol-a if she had confessed at that exact moment. We know No-rae likes Seol-a, but we don't know if she's prepared for relationship/healed from her whatever happened with her ex. What would be the point of introducing Sung-pyo after Seol-a had confessed?

If he hadn't interrupted, best case scenario would be that No-rae and Seol-a are together and he suddenly becomes an irrelevant character. We never get to find out what happened between him and No-rae, and No-rae magically gets over her inability to completely trust/love people somehow. Ssamba introduced a part of No-rae's past to us, and now there's no real reason to finish that story. It just wouldn't have been a good choice plot-wise to have No-rae and Seol-a become a couple in that chapter.

The other scenario would be that No-rae rejects Seol-a. Now Seol-a has to deal with that somehow, but of course she wouldn't know how because she's never met Sung-pyo and she doesn't know what happened with him and No-rae. She wouldn't know about No-rae's problem and the reason why she rejected her, nor would she know how to help No-rae. No-rae herself would never confront her traumatic experience with her ex, and a major part of her character development would be cut out of the story. Ssamba could then introduce Sung-pyo after this rejection, but then Seol-a would have to go through another confession which could feel awkward or forced. The story would have been dragged out even more.

That was me!

I firmly believe that Sung-pyo has to come in for necessary character development. I think Seol-a is pretty used to getting her way too. She comes off as very childish and spoiled at teams. She needs a little kick in the rear for competition, but also to realize that No-rae is her own person with a past to get through. Seol-a has shown a bit of a jealous streak about No-rae, and she's likely to suffer from a lot of frustration in this arc.

Sung-pyo coming in is definitely a pointed story change. Love isn't always going to be uncomplicated and filled with quick and mutual confessions. No-rae clearly has issues with him. One of them messed up pretty badly and it doesn't look like either of them are completely over it. We already knew that she wasn't over it. No-rae also shows an idealism about love. I think she certainly had feelings for Sung-pyo at some point or else they wouldn't have dated or broken up so horribly. Just like with Seol-a's friend, whose name I have conveniently forgotten, Seol-a was likely to suffer a rejection because the timing wasn't right and No-rae isn't completely certain of her feelings.

It would be far too convenient for them to date now. Drama will unfold and their relationship will either benefit or suffer from it. I can only hope that Seol-a doesn't mess up with her jealous streak and ruin it.

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No, I'm gonna tell them to fuck off. If you don't like it, don't read it. I don't get why others can't understand this concept. There's no need to get your panties into a twist.

I think that's a fine approach. It's got to be upsetting to put time and effort into something and have people get upset about it.

Just for the record, you know I was kidding about the fires and scissoring, right? Well, maybe not the scissoring. Who knows.

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^Yuri Kuma, obviously.

Shock! Kuma shock!

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Looks good and RedJuice is involved... But I'll be careful, it was the same for guilty crown

... I liked guilty crown

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I think it's pretty clear yuri... And the best, agonizing kind with character development.

I have never really heard of a real lesbian scissoring . I have to wonder how this position was thought up . I have never scissored lol it would be awkward and I think the movement alone would be tiring . I wonder if I can write into Myth Busters on this one lol . I just asked my girlfriend if we could try this scissoring , and she looked at me with the " What the hell is this going to do " look lmao.

I think it's a lie perpetuated by males and porn. It doesn't work unless you're both contortionists or something. It just ends up being terribly awkward and uncomfortable.

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The protagonist aside, I didn't know there's actually a yuri ship in this series. Who's this 'Yuuki' person?

Yuuki is a character in the ALO arc who is ill in real life. She has HIV passed down from her family apparently, and is in a group of terminally ill kids who play online. She is plugged into a constant life monitoring system and spends most of her time playing the game. Asuna gets really close to her and they end up having a sisterly relationship of sorts before Yuuki passes away. I remember Yuuki joking at some point about marrying Asuna because of some pun with their names. Yuuki Yuuki? That's what I remember. It's been a while. I was one of the people who continued watching despite cliches and plot holes. I guess I liked it even though it wasn't that great. That's the nice thing about stories. They can still be immersive and make you want more even if they're not skillfully written/portrayed.

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Also staying away from this one because the uploader feels to correct way talk to people who don't like this story and it's super slow pace is to mock them.

I think the uploader responded to the way that the person voiced their complaints. In a way expecting that the story shouldn't have any hetero aspects to it, which is also a bit of hypocritical bigotry. I personally thought halmoni's response was pretty tame. I accept that I was the ruder one and was more mocking of the user, and I'm not sorry at all. The user was over the top angry about a story and feeling entitled to have the story play out exactly as they wanted. I think they deserved a little mocking, as does every overly entitled fan. It's what the internet is for.

But regardless, the point is to stop reading it if you don't like it. It keeps everyone from getting irritated and having pointless arguments about stories they don't have control over. Like that silly Mistress Story. After the second chapter I have realized that I am entirely done with it as I have nothing good or constructive to say about it. I'm not going to torture myself a further 48 chapters like sus-lik did. I can't imagine the level of masochism that takes.

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Don't you know? To be legitimately yuri the characters have to have sex every chapter and be totally and unquestionably gay. Failure is not to be tolerated. The manhwa must burn in the evil fires of heterosexuality. BURN IT PLOX but not before a sexy scene between No-rae and Seol-a where they scissor or something cause that's what all lesbos do, right?

I think it's pretty clear yuri... And the best, agonizing kind with character development.

You. I like you.

Don't forget, the characters also have to confess their feelings for each other within 5 chapters or less (otherwise the poor fans will get upset/bored! :^((((( ) and any character with a penis is literally satan in the flesh BURN THE MANHWA BURN IT after the scissoring scene tho

I think we could be friends.

Except for the fact that you're working on this garbage manhwa that has no sexy time yet. I mean, what the hell? The least you could do is like draw some into each chapter yourself cause you're basically a miracle worker, right? Also you need to blur out any male characters because they hurt my sensitive eyes and leech the gay right out of my soul page by page. Please replace them with lilies or women fondling each other in the background. While you're at it make sure the fans are aware that scissoring will happen or they might go burn down the artist's house. after they finally get the scissoring though

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You mean Yurika's Campus Life isn't a completely realistic thing that happens in every day life? Damn it, I was really depending on that whole stamen thing. My life is ruined now, thanks Halmoni.

shhh hush child, everything will be fine. there, there.

It will never be fine. I'm so hurt.