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UranusAndNeptuneAreJustCousins
joined Sep 6, 2015

[...] What is the actual harm of those manga?

I guess mostly this:

[...] I get it makes some people uncomfortable, just as other people are uncomfortable with gory violence.

I.e.: "This makes me feel unconfortable, so I want it to disappear."

So, SJW-approach, then. Huzzah.

Nezchan Moderator
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joined Jun 28, 2012

[...] What is the actual harm of those manga?

I guess mostly this:

[...] I get it makes some people uncomfortable, just as other people are uncomfortable with gory violence.

I.e.: "This makes me feel unconfortable, so I want it to disappear."

So, SJW-approach, then. Huzzah.

You guys do realize that nobody in this discussion suggested removing anything from the site, right? But nice strawman, very well built.

Closest thing was a comment or two by Dofu about Japan, but y'all keep on arguin' against things that nobody's sayin'.

UranusAndNeptuneAreJustCousins
joined Sep 6, 2015

You guys do realize that nobody in this discussion suggested removing anything from the site, right? But nice strawman, very well built.

Closest thing was a comment or two by Dofu about Japan, but y'all keep on arguin' against things that nobody's sayin'.

I am pretty sure we realise this point, yes. I was talking in general. As was pretty much everyone else, not even dofudofu suggested removing any content. Sometimes reading between the lines just reveals a blank space.

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joined Jan 11, 2015

It all started out so well too...

Nezchan Moderator
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joined Jun 28, 2012

Yeah, it was a pretty good conversation on the whole until it took a left turn into "SJWs are coming for muih FREEZE PEACH!" and all.

rip thread

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[...] FREEZE PEACH! [...]

I lol'd.

Tofu
joined Feb 8, 2016

but it's already clear that there are limits to freedom of speech.

Things like that just proves people have no clue how freedom of speech actually works.

This is weirdly quoting me out of context, since I clearly stated examples of what I meant afterward, but just in general, it's almost universally the other way around when it comes to people's understanding of how freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of the press work. These freedoms are protected so long as they do not impede on the safety and freedoms of other people. You cannot say shit that can potentially result in the death of another person or cause irreparable harm; defamation and false accusation and (egregious) false advertisement all fall under this. You can freely practice your faith so long as your actions do not hinder someone else's ability to freely practice their faith; e.g. some guy ripping away a Muslim woman's hijab on a plane, exposing her hair, is not protected under his freedoms, because he infringed on someone else's freedom of religion. The press should expose information to the public, so long as it doesn't potentially bring harm to a victim or child.

It looks like I may have gotten something wrong about the US laws. My understanding was that if the depiction of underage sex wasn't considered an artistic expression and is explicitly pornographic then it counts as child porn. Sorry if I had that wrong.

The rest of the thread... I don't even know what's going on.

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Tsuglenda
joined Aug 10, 2011

but it's already clear that there are limits to freedom of speech.

Things like that just proves people have no clue how freedom of speech actually works.

This is weirdly quoting me out of context, since I clearly stated examples of what I meant afterward, but just in general, it's almost universally the other way around when it comes to people's understanding of how freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of the press work.

It usually isn't it is almost always someone who is offended by something wanting depictions to be banned, be it communism, homosexuality, black power, or lolicon drawings.
Depictions of lolicon are not only legal but harmless, both artistic depictions and advocacy are the most important bastions of speech there are.

Nezchan Moderator
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It looks like I may have gotten something wrong about the US laws. My understanding was that if the depiction of underage sex wasn't considered an artistic expression and is explicitly pornographic then it counts as child porn. Sorry if I had that wrong.

That's how it is in Canada. So you were right, but just had really bad aim.

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Tsuglenda
joined Aug 10, 2011

It looks like I may have gotten something wrong about the US laws. My understanding was that if the depiction of underage sex wasn't considered an artistic expression and is explicitly pornographic then it counts as child porn. Sorry if I had that wrong.

That's how it is in Canada. So you were right, but just had really bad aim.

Actually in Canada it's only illegal if you import physical works, acquisitions via internet or locally produced art of that kind are completely legal to own.

Tofu
joined Feb 8, 2016

but it's already clear that there are limits to freedom of speech.

Things like that just proves people have no clue how freedom of speech actually works.

This is weirdly quoting me out of context, since I clearly stated examples of what I meant afterward, but just in general, it's almost universally the other way around when it comes to people's understanding of how freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of the press work.

It usually isn't it is almost always someone who is offended by something wanting depictions to be banned, be it communism, homosexuality, black power, or lolicon drawings.

That's the same thing as not understanding how freedom of speech works. They think they can impose their beliefs on someone else, without considering that they're impeding someone else's rights. What I quoted was basically implying that people believe they can say whatever they want and it's protected under free speech, which isn't true, and that's an enormous misconception.

Nezchan Moderator
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This is getting waaaaaaaaay off topic, and kind of ridiculous while we're at it.

Tofu
joined Feb 8, 2016

This is getting waaaaaaaaay off topic, and kind of ridiculous while we're at it.

Somehow was mistaken for thinking all lolicon should be banned or something and got trolled into rambling about the limits of freedom of speech. So yeah, I'm done in this thread.

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Tsuglenda
joined Aug 10, 2011

Exactly, more OneLoli is required, like in Kanamemo.

joined Oct 12, 2013

It was a troll question anyway, may as well follow the discussion wherever it goes.

Thiaguinho-sama
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Urashi C. Pin
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this thread seriously has me dying ......kek

Thiaguinho-sama
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dofudofu

Somehow was mistaken for thinking all lolicon should be banned or something and got trolled into rambling about the limits of freedom of speech. So yeah, I'm done in this thread.

Honestly? I do believe you're mistaken, lets be honest since we started this talk about freedom of speech, it's not only lolicon, but shotacon, toddlercon, rape, guro, incest, slavery, mind break, bestiality and some other types of hentai, first and the most important thing is that it's completely harmeless, you can't harm images, second, it's really rare for a hentai to have characters that look realistic, you can look at most lolicon hentai, or even non-loli hentai for that matter, and they don't look much like real people or act like them, their faces is the most obvious part as expected from mangas, but most loli/shota hentai they either have super perfect sexy proportions or look more like a chibi version of a teenager, it's few who have a more realistic art, and even so it's just a few that really look like real children or older person, they almost always look too perfect or as if there's something off.

With that said, the reason I think it shouldn't be banned is because the logic that it promotes child porn in my opinion is bullshit and logical fallacy, people have been doing that for years with anything that they don't like, violent video games are murder simulators and will turn you into a killer, rock will turn people into satanists, a movie/serie will make people drink or smoke, if there's a homosexual scene it'll turn people gay or it's "immoral", guns should be banned because they kill people, and a lot more of stupid irrational whining, the only logic you can really give to ban something that is literally not harming anyone is that it'll promote that thing and people will start doing it, the problem is that humans don't work like that at all, just like with murder in video game people know that pedophilia is wrong, they know that both the video game violence and hentai are not real, if someone who likes violent video games kills someone or if a loli/shota reader abuses a child, it's not because it was "promoted", but because that person was already unstable, had mental problems, already had those inclinations, or you know, they're just scum, the people who rape, kill and so on don't need something to give them that idea, most of them already had that inclination or thoughts, it's just a question of when they'll do it, shooting at schools are good examples of that, they always try blame music, video games and so on even though the person had problems that were the real reason for the shooting, like bullying.

Another reason people want to ban some things is basic "think of the chilren!" bullshit, problem is that most of those things are not even made for children or teenagers at all, the reason people want to ban those things is because it's easier to blame them instead of admitting that it's their fault that their children have access to them, don't know how to deal with them or don't know that something is wrong, and you can't really say that they promote anything since a lot of them have some warning saying that in real life that's a crime or wrong, I believe that porn, hentai manga and hentai ova all mention somewhere that rape, sex with children and so on are a crime and shouldn't be done in real life, at least I saw warnings in some porn and hentai, but I guess it's rare to see it translated in hentai since it's time they can use to translate something more important.

Now don't get me wrong, my problem is not with loli/shota itselt, I'm against any kind of censorship or law that prohibits you of doing something that is not harming someone else or getting in the way of their rights, when you start to ban something with the argument that it "promotes" something or will "influence" people to do it you open a precedent to ban a lot more using the same logic, you just need a group big enough and with enough power to force the banning of somethig they don't like and soon we'll have the thought police, in case of hentai, and actually porn too because a lot involve things like rape, girls that look really young and so on, especially if it's japanese, I don't really think they need to be promoted, if people want it they can search and find it for themselves, I actually think the same for things like alcohol, cigarettes, guns, and some other things, it's one thing to in a work of fiction glorify it or show as if it's not a big deal, but I'm completely against promoting them in real life as if there's no consequence, drinking and smoking are good examples of that as sometimes they're promoted as if they're the best things ever even though they can easily fuck you up, same with US laws about guns, I agree that people should be free to buy guns, but I don't like how it's easy for any idiot to buy guns, although I don't think it would decrease school shootings as much as some argue, there's always illegal ways for them to get guns, and without a gun they could easily read anywhere in the internet about how to make bombs and explode their school or something like that, when people really want to kill someone they will find a way.

Anyway, as for the main topic, I'm all in for more yuri loli age gap, or any loli yuri, or age gap yuri, well, I'm in for any yuri actually, there's never enough yuri, as for just loli in general, the more the better, lolis are the best after all~~, though I'm in for shota, trap, milf, well, anything really, I like pretty much all types of hentai, what can I say? 2D is love, 2D is life, 3D is overrated.

As for the thread going off topic, does it matter? Not like we really have much of a topic to talk about anyway, though if the thread was not dead yet, my post might have killed it now, I'm expect this reaction from most people.

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Tsuglenda
joined Aug 10, 2011

lolis are the best after all~~
It's the damn truth.
That tampon insertion scene from KnJ is pretty great for OneLoli stuff.

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joined May 10, 2014

What even

Don't mind me. I don't even have anything to add to the discussion, I just had to +1 Chris hansen!

Konami
joined Jan 18, 2014

what the fuck is with this thread

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joined Sep 21, 2014

Lmao T-sama why

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Alice Cheshire Moderator
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joined Nov 7, 2014

UranusAndNeptuneAreJustCousins posted:

Honestly, I never thought about specifically searching for a loli + age gap. The only one I read was "Hoshikawa Ginza District 4", and I found it to be rather enjoyable, but I got to it because it was by Kurogane Ken, rather than looking for a loli story. Still, as I said, it was enjoyable, but then again, it was not really graphic, the social stigma was addressed, rather than just ignored, and it managed to convey both parties' sincere and serious feelings, without the younger one looking immature, or the older one looking manipulating.

There's also Kodomo no Jikan which actually has an interesting story once you get past all the fan service garbage. Though that's het rather than yuri.

Thiaguinho-sama posted:

dofudofu

Somehow was mistaken for thinking all lolicon should be banned or something and got trolled into rambling about the limits of freedom of speech. So yeah, I'm done in this thread.

lolicon, but shotacon, toddlercon, rape, guro, incest, slavery, mind break, bestiality and some other types of hentai

With that said, the reason I think it shouldn't be banned is because the logic that it promotes child porn in my opinion is bullshit and logical fallacy, people have been doing that for years with anything that they don't like, violent video games are murder simulators and will turn you into a killer (--snipping the rest cause that was one really long sentence--)

If you're into guro you're definitely going to go out and start murdering people. And if you're into scat you're clearly going to start going out and shitting all over random people. Though if that's true what's the imply about some other fetishes like inflation or giants or something? Is someone who's into tentacle rape going to get caught fucking an octopus?

Thiaguinho-sama
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Faust

Lmao T-sama why

Why not? xD

GendoIkari

It's what he does.

What can I say, I have free time and it's in my nature.

Alice Cheshire

If you're into guro you're definitely going to go out and start murdering people. And if you're into scat you're clearly going to start going out and shitting all over random people. Though if that's true what's the imply about some other fetishes like inflation or giants or something? Is someone who's into tentacle rape going to get caught fucking an octopus?

Well, inflation in theory you could probably try to fill your body with air or something, obviously would probably die horribly, maybe do like furries and use some kind of suit that can inflate? As for giants, I don't know, if the person is small then find someone really tall? Or if they're tall go out with a midget? Maybe pay a fortune for a sex doll made specifically for them? After all that kind of fetish is basically impossible, you could try to roleplay with someone or something at best, as for tentacle, well, there's woman who have sex with octopus, there's actually japanese porn that try to have tentacle sex/rape, the ones I saw the tentacles looked pretty fake, and what about unbirth? Or fusion/assimilation? There's a lot more of those bizarre fetishes...

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